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White privilege

Partsguy57 said:
Sending your kids to fight your battle does seem strange to me... good luck with that... next?

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Ummm.. I am fighting with them.

You suggest that they run and hide and that I ignore what is going on with them and home school them.. rather than teach them to stick up for themselves.

I guess I figure they should learn to stand up for themselves and others.. and not run like cowards. And I do that by example.. by standing up for them.. and not acquiescing and deciding to run and hide and home school the kids and act like it doesn;t happen.

Your way does not appear to be a good way to teach them to be self reliant adults. to stand up for whats right.

Your way is to teach them to be cowards.. and to see their dad as a coward who avoids the problem with money.. rather than stand up for whats right.

next? .
 
FreedomFromAll said:
In short you could say that, White privilege is defined as: The "only one struggle, the
proletarian class struggle, in which the rejection by white
workers of white supremacist ideas and practices is crucial to
the emergence of the proletariat as a revolutionary class."


Whenever anyone says the term 'white privilege' everyone should make the connection that the topic isnt racism, but Marxism and how they are trying to force it onto Americans under the guise of social justice. The thing is that most Liberals are being fooled and have no clue what they are actually promoting. And they are so far invested into the lie that they will not accept that it is a lie.
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I am reading... It is quit amazing really. I had no idea. Well, maybe some slight idea or instinct about it. It explains Jackson, Sharpton, Clinton to some degree. Maybe to a great degree. I am reading...
 
Partsguy57 said:
[Of course a " friendly banker" makes loans to those that can't pay that loan back. Common knowledge amoung those that believe in " white privilege " .... next?

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Well.. if you had the money to pay back the loan.. you wouldn;t need a loan. So yes.. if you are asking for the loan.. particularly in your case where you were not wealthy already.. then YES.. the banker was taking a chance with you. Wait.. because of course banks never make loans where the person ends up not paying them back.....:lol:

A friendly banker who "knew your dad" was more likely to take a chance on you. and yes.. that's an advantage. In fact.. it was important enough that YOU mentioned that it was a friendly banker that knew your Dad.
 
jaeger19 said:
Well.. thanks for responding.

First.. while you are worried about getting in trouble for using the term "calling a spade a spade".. I worry about my child getting beat up by kids threatening to " shoot the ###### in the balls" with an arrow. So you have to forgive me if I think your angst over teaching children the phrase " call a spade or spade" versus simply saying.. "call it like it is" is quite silly,

While you worry about the PC police.. whomever that is... I worry about the ACTUAL POLICE and how they might react to my son.. (who at 15 is 6 foot 2 and 210 pounds).

As for the call backs.. there was no interview. Merely having a black sounding name meant that you were less likely to be called in for an interview.

As far as the research.. I would love to know how you determined that the researchers have a motive to keep racism alive and well.. and how they intentionally biased their study... But somehow.. I don't think you are going to be providing that information anytime soon.



Yeah.. well I am not sure how the argument getting rid of political correctness and allowing you or others to call black people " porch monkeys, spear chuckers or Asians Gooks, or slopes, decreases racism.

So let me ask you this..



So.. in your experience... do you think that racism was LESS prevalent in the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's when terms like N!##er, and porch monkey, or spear chucker and jigaboo were acceptable and normal terms in everyday life? When Asians were gooks, slopes, or chinks? And Hispanics were commonly referred to as Spics or Beaners?

OR do you think racism is LESS prevalent when people realized that those who spoke those words tended to be racist people and their racism was not tolerated and children were taught not to be racist and not to use such language when referring to minorities?

Somehow, I bet that if you were objective.. you would have to admit that there is less racism NOW with PC.. than when it was common and acceptable to call minorities names.
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Depends on where you go. I taught in black gang infested East Bay and worried daily not about PC but about being attacked or killed because I was white.

Reverse that and we had some black neighbours when I was young and i am pretty sure that in our upper middle class area none of them were worried about us white people attacking them.
 
jaeger19 said:
Well.. if you had the money to pay back the loan.. you wouldn;t need a loan. So yes.. if you are asking for the loan.. particularly in your case where you were not wealthy already.. then YES.. the banker was taking a chance with you. Wait.. because of course banks never make loans where the person ends up not paying them back.....:lol:

A friendly banker who "knew your dad" was more likely to take a chance on you. and yes.. that's an advantage. In fact.. it was important enough that YOU mentioned that it was a friendly banker that knew your Dad.
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I think you watched Eddie Murphey's " White Like Me" sketch and thought it was real.
 
Partsguy57 said:
No money just makes it easier to climb the ladder of success.... the vast majority of wealthy people do it own their own. Take a look at the book the millionaire next door. At least take a look at the title and you will see why I pointed this out. Better yet read a bit as its quite informative and you will soon see based on thousands of studies... cheers

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Racist cops do not make a racist nation. White privilege is a myth. Tell some yokle in a trailer in the Ozarks he is privileged. Lol
 
jaeger19 said:
Ummm.. I am fighting with them.

You suggest that they run and hide and that I ignore what is going on with them and home school them.. rather than teach them to stick up for themselves.

I guess I figure they should learn to stand up for themselves and others.. and not run like cowards. And I do that by example.. by standing up for them.. and not acquiescing and deciding to run and hide and home school the kids and act like it doesn;t happen.

Your way does not appear to be a good way to teach them to be self reliant adults. to stand up for whats right.

Your way is to teach them to be cowards.. and to see their dad as a coward who avoids the problem with money.. rather than stand up for whats right.

next? .
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Yep stellar job their vern..... teaching them to fight against that white " oppression, privilege", there is no way you are going to get ahead in life because the deck is stacked against them. Look to licking the boot of government for their substance and help.. good luck with that vern... I prefer to teach my kids( and they are well on their way to being successful ) not to rely on others for their success. Don't let any obstacle placed in their way be a excuse for being the best that they can be. I feel sorry for your kids because if you push on them what you are pushing here you will end up with bitter, less then the best they could of been adults... Don't believe me ? It's self evident everywhere that those that use as a excuse others are holding them back they will never reach their full potential...

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Napoleon said:
Indeed I shall, but let's first get down to the meat of the topic. First, assertion of the existence of institutional racism is a conspiracy theory - but let us assume for a moment that it is true. By acknowledging that disciplinary action is precipitated by the comission of an infraction, i.e. a behavior, you are also acknowledging that impactful exposure to an allegedly racist disciplinary system is entirely elective. Of course, none of this explains dropping out of high school - which is a choice made by students not a disciplinary action imposed by teachers or administrators. Why are black students more likely to choose to drop out of high school than white students in your opinion? Or white students than asian students for that matter? 93.6% of black students navigate primary education to completion so it seems obvious that "white privilege" isn't the issue here.
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Lets see.. first.. I'll believe you when I see you detail exactly what study and what problems with the methodology invalidate the study.

Second..

acknowledging that disciplinary action is precipitated by the comission of an infraction, i.e. a behavior, you are also acknowledging that impactful exposure to an allegedly racist disciplinary system is entirely elective
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No.. its not elective.

Of course, none of this explains dropping out of high school - which is a choice made by students not a disciplinary action imposed by teachers or administrators.
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Studies show that students subjected to disciplinary actions like suspensions.. of any race.. are more likely to drop out. Suspension certainly makes it much harder to pass a grade.. if you are suspended from school.. your learning is certainly interrupted and it potentially puts you farther behind your classmates..

Its reasonable to hypothesis that students of any race that have had suspensions.. are more likely to be behind in their classwork and grades.. since they have missed class time.. because of disciplinary action. and being behind would mean a lower chance of graduation. Students may drop out because at some point they realize that they cannot graduate given how far they are behind.

93.6% of black students navigate primary education to completion so it seems obvious that "white privilege" isn't the issue here.
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Yeah.. there is no way you can conclude that using that statistic.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Racist cops do not make a racist nation. White privilege is a myth. Tell some yokle in a trailer in the Ozarks he is privileged. Lol
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Lol I agree.. this self pity crap gets one nowhere. All these "victim" groups the left constantly trots out is never ending... useful pawns of the left... meanwhile those that get it march on and those that don't become more and more bitter and angry...

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FreedomFromAll said:
In short you could say that, White privilege is defined as: The "only one struggle, the
proletarian class struggle, in which the rejection by white
workers of white supremacist ideas and practices is crucial to
the emergence of the proletariat as a revolutionary class."


Whenever anyone says the term 'white privilege' everyone should make the connection that the topic isnt racism, but Marxism and how they are trying to force it onto Americans under the guise of social justice. The thing is that most Liberals are being fooled and have no clue what they are actually promoting. And they are so far invested into the lie that they will not accept that it is a lie.
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Fascinating!

On the other hand, the
English bourgeoisie
has not
only exploited Irish poverty in order to worsen the
condition of the working class in England, by the fore-
29
ed transplantation of poor Irish peasants, but it has
moreover divided the proletariat into hostile camps.
The revolutionary fire of the Celtic workers does not
harmonize with the restrained force but slowness of
the Anglo-Saxons. In all the big industrial centers of
England a deep antagonism exists between the English
and Irish workers. The aver
age English worker hates
the Irish as a competitor
who lowers his wages and
level of living.
He feels national and religious antagon-
ism towards him. He appears to him in much the same
light as the black slaves app
eared to the poor whites in
the Southern States of North America. This antagon-
ism between the proletarians
of England is artificially
cultivated and maintained by the bourgeoisie. It knows
that in this antagonism lies the
real secret of maintain-
ing its power.
(All emphasis in original).
 
Partsguy57 said:
Yep stellar job their vern..... teaching them to fight against that white " oppression, privilege", there is no way you are going to get ahead in life because the deck is stacked against them. Look to licking the boot of government for their substance and help.. good luck with that vern... I prefer to teach my kids( and they are well on their way to being successful ) not to rely on others for their success. Don't let any obstacle placed in their way be a excuse for being the best that they can be. I feel sorry for your kids because if you push on them what you are pushing here you will end up with bitter, less then the best they could of been adults... Don't believe me ? It's self evident everywhere that those that use as a excuse others are holding them back they will never reach their full potential...

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Yeah.. you really don't make sense.

Lets see.. stand up for whats right.. don't allow yourself to be bullied.. and don't run and hide is what I am teaching my kids... and what I am demonstrating to my kids.

And you think that's "licking the boot of government"? Yeah.... no..:confused:

Yeah.. I am not pushing anything on the kids. THEY ARE EXPERIENCING RACISM... I am not pushing racism on them... THEY ARE EXPERIENCING IT..

Now.. you would have them cry and cringe and run to daddy and hope they are homeschooled.

I.. on the other hand.. would have them stand up for themselves, object to how THEY ARE BEING TREATED.. and to demand their god given rights to be treated on their merits and abilities and not the color of their skin.

I defy you to see where anywhere.. they are "using an excuse"
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Bodhisattva said:
Depends on where you go. I taught in black gang infested East Bay and worried daily not about PC but about being attacked or killed because I was white.

Reverse that and we had some black neighbours when I was young and i am pretty sure that in our upper middle class area none of them were worried about us white people attacking them.
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And your point?

That its okay that my children face racist slurs and racism on a daily basis because you worried about being attacked by black gangs?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Racist cops do not make a racist nation. White privilege is a myth. Tell some yokle in a trailer in the Ozarks he is privileged. Lol
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Do racist cops make it a more egalitarian society?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
In short you could say that, White privilege is defined as: The "only one struggle, the
proletarian class struggle, in which the rejection by white
workers of white supremacist ideas and practices is crucial to
the emergence of the proletariat as a revolutionary class."


Whenever anyone says the term 'white privilege' everyone should make the connection that the topic isnt racism, but Marxism and how they are trying to force it onto Americans under the guise of social justice. The thing is that most Liberals are being fooled and have no clue what they are actually promoting. And they are so far invested into the lie that they will not accept that it is a lie.
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If we are dialecticians, we base ourselves on what is new, and look under the appearance of things to discover their essence. And one of the essential features of American history, which must be understood by everyone who hopes to apply Marxist-Leninist theory to the specific conditions of our country, is that traditionally the Negro people, for very real reasons, have carried forward the demands of the entire working class, cloaked in the garb of Negro rights! This is true even now of the Black Power slogan, whose significance is not limited to the Negro people. As a white worker, I declare that I Would a thousand times sooner live under the Black Power of Stokely Carmichael than under the "white" imperialist power of Lyndon Baines Johnson!

Just fascinating...
 
jaeger19 said:
So? does that in any way invalidate what I said:



If so.. please show me.
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For some reason my post sent beforw I was done. Must of accidently hit send.

Anyway. I've experienced discrimination from cops. Ive faced discrimination from your average person. Ive never. Not one single time experienced discrimination in the workplace. Not during any one of a gazillion interviews or while actually working.

Does it happen? Yeah I suppose it probably does. But by and large employers dont give two wet farts what color someone is. Where they hail from or what god you do or do not believe in.

That was where I was going with my other post before I accidently posted it.
 
jaeger19 said:
Yeah.. you really don't make sense.

Lets see.. stand up for whats right.. don't allow yourself to be bullied.. and don't run and hide is what I am teaching my kids... and what I am demonstrating to my kids.

And you think that's "licking the boot of government"? Yeah.... no..:confused:

Yeah.. I am not pushing anything on the kids. THEY ARE EXPERIENCING RACISM... I am not pushing racism on them... THEY ARE EXPERIENCING IT..

Now.. you would have them cry and cringe and run to daddy and hope they are homeschooled.

I.. on the other hand.. would have them stand up for themselves, object to how THEY ARE BEING TREATED.. and to demand their god given rights to be treated on their merits and abilities and not the color of their skin.

I defy you to see where anywhere.. they are "using an excuse"
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If you knowingly place your kids in a unsafe environment you are a incredible foolish and selfish parent. On the other hand could it be that you greatly exaggerate what your kids are experiencing?? ( you have the means to place your kids anywhere you want by your own omission) I hire a number of young men each year in the west for contract wildlife suppression. If you were my neighbor I would never hire your kids if you were to rant to me across the fence line as you do here about the "white privilege " and other excuses here. You know why?? I would not be willing to take the chance as I need reliable young men that are willing to work hard with very long hours with no excuses. ( check out a wildfire environment if you are unsure of what the job entails) now maybe they would be good, maybe the best young men that have ever worked for me, but I know what you are pushing and teaching your kids does not foster the best at what one could be. Sorry the cold hard facts... no go from me if I have others the choose from...

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jaeger19 said:
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I think I have begin to understand the reason for you less than honest guerilla attacks.

So it was to old John Brown, and so it is to us, his
children. For, all the evils of US imperialist rule in its dying
days - the barbarous wars of extermination launched against
colonial and semi-colonial peoples, the murder by starvation,
the mass insecurity, the fascist clamp being tightened on
the American people, the trampling on culture and the
contempt for the decent aspirations of humanity - all these
are concentrated and summed up in the infernal theory and
practice of white supremacy. Therefore, the attack on white
supremacy is the first order of business for all progressive
forces in our country, and the key to strategy for Marxist-
Leninists.
 
I grew up in East Texas, was in Civics class when it was announced that Pres. Kennedy had been killed.
Students were crying...

Only 1 person expressed anything racist, someone I thought was smarter than that. He had been taught to be racist by his father, a deputy sheriff. His son was told to shut up or get beat up....

The rest of us in that high school were saddened by the event.

It was an all white school until a few years later when minorities started moving into the area. My little brother was there for that transition. I would have heard if there was any blatant racism happening there.

Here we are 50 years later and still we have SOME racism, from ALL sides, ALL colors....
 
White privilege may exist... To a certain extent.

However, it's scope and effects are wildly overstated in modern Leftist political narratives, and it is far too often used as a crutch and excuse to explain completely unrelated failures.

I'm sorry, but Billy Bob the meth-cook from the trailer park doesn't have crap to do with Jamal the gang-banger from "da 'hood's" decision to drop out of high school, and knock up three different girls, before picking an unnecessary fight with a cop. Skin color and history aren't the problem there. Cultures of poverty and hopelessness are.
 
Yarff said:
White privilege may exist... To a certain extent.

However, it's scope and effects are wildly overstated in modern Leftist political narratives, and it is far too often used as a crutch and excuse to explain completely unrelated failures.

I'm sorry, but Billy Bob the meth-cook from the trailer park doesn't have crap to do with Jamal the gang-banger from "da 'hood's" decision to drop out of high school, and knock up three different girls, before picking an unnecessary fight with a cop. Skin color and history aren't the problem there. Cultures of poverty and hopelessness are.
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And the common link??? ...........poor choices also know as lack of personal responsibility.... something the left will never!!! Talk about even though it's head and shoulders above all other issues combined..

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ashurbanipal said:
So, I imagine you were or are employed by someone. Can you rule out that, say, the person who hired you didn't do so because they had a dream that they should? Or because they'd just had to fire someone else and were feeling a little guilty? Or that you weren't the sixteenth applicant, and the person is superstitious enough to always hire the sixteenth applicant? Or any of an infinite other possible things that might have helped you without you knowing it?
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Actually I had a couple of jobs. I started off working minimum wage learning cable wiring and computer repair.
I finished my degree and then got a job doing technical support for an internet company because they were hiring a ton of people.
I went back to school and received my 4 year.
i worked for a home automation company that went out of business.
i did stucco work for a while when i applied for the job at the company i work for now.

They had open positions and i was like the 7 or 8th person they interviewed and people didn't want the job for various reasons.

The fact you have to just make stuff up doesn't take away from the fact it was my knowledge and skill that helped me get the job not the color of my skin.

Conversely, can you rule out that you wouldn't be where you are if, say, you'd been born to different parents, or if you were of a different race?
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I don't have to argue a negative.

Note that by "rule out," I mean provide evidence sufficient to convince a rational but skeptical person of your claim. Obviously you cannot. No one can. You have no idea what luck has helped or hindered you in life, really. Again, plenty of people work hard, and never make any great success. Plenty of people go to the right schools, try to get into the right fields, and so on, and don't make it. Unless you can show that this isn't the case for anybody, you don't have a case.
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There is no such thing as luck. I have plenty of a case you can't disprove it. the color of my skin has nothing to do with what i have done.

Suppose it took half again as much effort as you put in to get where you are. If you've worked as hard as you say, you might wonder whether that's even humanly possible. Suppose it took half as much effort again to switch to another field. Half as much effort again to get into whatever school you went to in order to receive training. And so on.
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made up scenarios have nothing to do with what i have accomplished and am going to accomplish.
i have seen opportunities and have taken them. I am getting ready to take another opportunity that i know is
opening up later.

It would be impossible for someone to work half again as hard as I have worked in my life. I used to work 100 hours per week. No one can work 150 hours per week, week in, week out. When I was younger, there were a couple of times I found a job just in the nick of time, or I'd have been homeless. I couldn't have waited half again as long. That's the sort of situation that the data implies faces black people.
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when i am on a project that is the average number of hours i put in.

yep i have been down to paying for food with credit cards when i was looking for work.
i found it had nothing to do with my skin color.
 
Partsguy57 said:
Lol I agree.. this self pity crap gets one nowhere. All these "victim" groups the left constantly trots out is never ending... useful pawns of the left... meanwhile those that get it march on and those that don't become more and more bitter and angry...

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Then they wonder why trump won the election.

it was a rising tide against such things.
 
Anyone who says ya cant work 150 hours a week. Week in week out has never seen a rig welder work. Theres a hundred amd sixty eight hours in a week. Thst leaves them 18 hours to sleep. A lot of those guys will show up on location and stay the entire week. The tool pusher sees em getting wobbly he will tell em to take a nap.

Two hour nap broken down throughout the day? No problem. Especially when theyre making anywhere from 80 to 130 bucks an hour.

By comparrison. We got guys deployed for seven to fourteen months at a time easily going 50 hours between breaks.

Makes me happy with my 90 to 130 hour weeks.
 
Partsguy57 said:
And the common link??? ...........poor choices also know as lack of personal responsibility.... something the left will never!!! Talk about even though it's head and shoulders above all other issues combined..

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Three things I see from the Left which I know are fail:

Enabling poor decisions

Discouraging excellence via competition, especially academic competition, with a sharp rebuke for failure

Excuses are encouraged rather than facing the world as it is and doing your best regardless the obstaces
 
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