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White privilege

Hardly.. my children deal with it..

But maybe one day.. when folks like yourself aren;t around as much... well.. things might be better...

You seem to be a bit of a butt hole in calling me a problem. Can you show me racist? No? Then shut the heck up.
You are the problem in society, not me. I would hire your children if they can do the job.
 
this is so well put..

The issue we have today is institutional racism in my opinion..

Its unfortunate that often the focus is on something simply ignorant.. like what a sports franchise owner said in private.. and not on things like police discrimination.. sentencing discrimination.. hiring practices that are biased.. school suspension based on bias.. etc.

Not everyone views these things through the same lense that you do and it doesn't translate into institutional racism. Indeed, not all bias is inherently wrong or founded in animus. The problem in our society today is that there is a growing movement that rejects equality and color blindness in favor of equity and color affirmation.
 
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I am a white male and I can tell you with 100% certainty that white male privilege abso****inglutely exists. Unfortunately there are a lot of white people...particularly men who are so ****ing stupid that even when given a massive head start in life they still can't win the race. If you're a white male in the United States of America and you fail to achieve at least a middle class or upper middle class lifestyle you have to be ****ing worthless turd. I mean I'll grant you there are some people who run into some bad luck, but if you even put forth the bare minimum of effort you should be golden. **** a Truck driver in the United States can make $50,000/year no problem. Have you been to a mechanic lately? What they charge is astronomical. Go to tech school for **** sake.

No you can't.
 
Kind of like how you're failing to take into account the effect of being black on growing up in poverty, being surrounded by crime, and therefore turning to it yourself given that you have no other roll models.

Dr Ben Carson
 
No you can't.

It's funny, we just hired a new member to the team. Management said to me on the side, this hire ticks three goals: Alternative lifestyle, female, and minority. A real win for the company.

How awesome is that for discrimination?
 
Wow.. okay Calamity.. please show me where in the tax code my children will pay less tax because they are a minority.. and I will pay more because I am white...

Now.. put up that evidence or retract that completely asinine statement.
Read exactly what I wrote.

Typical liberal "fix" is to cripple those with perceived advantages. So, they prefer to dumb whites down rather than lift blacks up. Tax successful whites, especially inheritance and income, rather than encourage blacks to achieve at a high level so that they too can pass wealth on to their offspring. That sort of thing.

Are you going to argue that the liberal fix is not to tax successful people more than unsuccessful ones?
 
It's funny, we just hired a new member to the team. Management said to me on the side, this hire ticks three goals: Alternative lifestyle, female, and minority. A real win for the company.

How awesome is that for discrimination?

You should feel privileged.
 
Great.. lets see.. first... if you truly just understood that white privilege is rampant, overwhelming and dominant.. I would suggest that you examine your hiring practices.. and determine if you are subconsciously ruling out folks due to your own bias.

THAT would be a giant step right there for a fix.. if white people could recognize their own bias.. and compensate for it. The same with school administrators etc

now other things that would help everyone but especially minorities:

Improve police training so that conflicts are not resolved with force.. and that force is less of an option.

Improve education by making sure each school has low class sizes and a highly qualified teacher in that classroom.

Review and change sentencing procedures so that there is not a racial disparity for minorities.

REvamp and fully fund the public defender system.

Change the criteria for special consideration for entrance to college from racial to economic. this ensures that more minorities THAT NEED help are given advantage of getting into school.. rather than schools getting their diversity by giving special consideration to minority children that don't need help (like my children).

If its based on economic consideration.. since minorities are over represented.. (particularly African americans) in poverty.. you will still get racial diversity..but you will getting the folks that need help. Rather than a wealthy doctors minority children.
Lol no fixes here, sorry... all you have listed has been going on for decades now... failure. You refuse to admit what the real problem is, lack of person responsibility i.e poor choices made and reaping the results of those poor choices. Every single one of those fixes listed can be taken care of by wise choices. Every one!!! I can pick apart everyone of these easily, but will not waste my time. I will comment on education. Are you telling me that a motivated parents, or a motivated student can't get a good education if they so desire? Lie. There is a zillion way to better ones self no matter want the circumstances are!!! If the person has any sort of motivation. You are not interested in any and I can promise you change will never come with the fixes you have listed. The left in power are modern day slavers keeping their voting block intact by promising " fixes" that will never work. You are either " slaver" yourself, or a pawn that has no understanding that success does not come from government " help" As long as you continue to push the idea that one's life is hopeless unless you are bent over licking the boot of government for their " help" you will continue to have what we have today.... failure...

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Where we have discriminatory laws, policies, or practices, we need to change them. But I think they are fairly rare in this day.

Well, I agree such laws/policies are much rarer these days, but institutional racism goes beyond official government policy and include individual/social group racism. Keep in mind, we are only about 50-60 years removed from the Jim Crow South. Institutional racism did not magically disappear with the Brown Decision.

I don't fail to see racism, I just refuse to judge people of any color based on their ethnicity. The only time I am probably prejudiced is when I am walking down the street at night. But that is a matter of survival.

Alright, you can't say "I refuse to judge people of any color/ethnicity" and then in the next sentence say you do depending on the situation. It is okay to acknowledge one's racist tendencies. None of us are perfect and we are creatures molded by our environment. When we are more aware of what shapes who we are we are better able to make the changes to improve.


I've been a victim of being white before and that isn't fun.

No discrimination is justified. My mother's family was essentially pushed out of Roseland, Chicago because they were harassed and their property was constantly vandalized by a few African Americans who moved into the neighborhood. I do not pretend Whites do not experience racial discrimination, but I also do not pretend it is anywhere close to the level minorities, especially African Americans, have experienced.


In the workplace or my daily life I give everyone an equal footing, until they show me otherwise.

Fair enough.
 
Not everyone views these things through the same lense that you do and it doesn't translate into institutional racism. Indeed, not all bias is inherently wrong or founded in animus. The problem in our society today is that there is a growing movement that rejects equality and color blindness in favor of equity and color affirmation.

Not sure what you intend to say here. If you mean that the movement to prevent color blindness and true equality, that would be mostly the progressives who are pushing these 'white privilege awareness' courses in high school and college. They establish political correctness rules to refer to people of color but none for so-called 'white people'. They see a racist under every bush and make a monumental mountain out of any phrase or comment that could even possibly be racist no matter how long ago it was.

Racism has become the stock in trade for the progressive left.

As John McWhorter eloquently wrote:
. . .I assume, for example, that the idea is not to teach white people that White Privilege means that black people are the only group of people in human history who cannot deal with obstacles and challenges. If the idea is that black people cannot solve their problems short of white people developing an exquisite sensitivity to how privileged they are, then we in the black community are being designated as disabled poster children. . .​
The Privilege of Checking White Privilege - The Daily Beast

In the same piece McWhorter commented that there is a 'white privilege' also perpetuated by those who demand that black people be seen as victims and different from white people:

--White people are not accused of 'not being a credit to their race.'
--White people can uner perform without it be ascribed to their race.
--When white people succeed, nobody wonders if or points out that it was achieved through affirmative action.
--Nobody expects you to speak for your race on television or in a class discussion
Etc.

True color blindness allows us to treat everybody as true equals with the good and the bad. Until skin color is treated as of no more importance than hair color or eye color, that can't happen.

And it won't happen so long as 'white privilege' is pointed out every day in every way because it continues to emphasize that we are different and, in a way, white is better.

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It's funny, we just hired a new member to the team. Management said to me on the side, this hire ticks three goals: Alternative lifestyle, female, and minority. A real win for the company.

How awesome is that for discrimination?

But the question you fail to answer is how come nobody else on the team fits those criteria? Why are people like this so difficult to find? Answer: because it's significantly more difficult for them to get the opportunity in the first place.

Is this person not qualified for the job? Can you say with any level of certainty that there were others that were more qualified whom she was hired over? I the rest of your team is full of white dudes then how can you argue that it was difficult for white dudes to obtain these positions?
 
Well, I agree such laws/policies are much rarer these days, but institutional racism goes beyond official government policy and include individual/social group racism. Keep in mind, we are only about 50-60 years removed from the Jim Crow South. Institutional racism did not magically disappear with the Brown Decision.
Alright, you can't say "I refuse to judge people of any color/ethnicity" and then in the next sentence say you do depending on the situation. It is okay to acknowledge one's racist tendencies. None of us are perfect and we are creatures molded by our environment. When we are more aware of what shapes who we are we are better able to make the changes to improve.
No discrimination is justified. My mother's family was essentially pushed out of Roseland, Chicago because they were harassed and their property was constantly vandalized by a few African Americans who moved into the neighborhood. I do not pretend Whites do not experience racial discrimination, but I also do not pretend it is anywhere close to the level minorities, especially African Americans, have experienced.
Fair enough.

It is a difficult thing to come to grips with I admit. When bones are broken and you are bloodied by racist blacks it tends to influence you. But I have had good black friends that I trusted completely. You have to judge based on the situation. Sometimes it is very wise to give a group a wide berth. To think you can walk through bad areas of any big city and not be messed up bad based on your light skin tone is a foolishness.
One can easily show that in those particular cultures racism is ingrained. It's sad. I find it very telling that the left in general and the news media really doesn't call much attention to this particular manifestation of racism in the culture. They somehow get a wink and a nod and it is overlooked.
 
You haven't demonstrated a trend.

Ummmm..... you need evidence to conclude that African American men are on average poorer and tend to grow up in high crime areas with poor schools? What universe do you live in exactly?
 
It is a difficult thing to come to grips with I admit. When bones are broken and you are bloodied by racist blacks it tends to influence you. But I have had good black friends that I trusted completely. You have to judge based on the situation. Sometimes it is very wise to give a group a wide berth. To think you can walk through bad areas of any big city and not be messed up bad based on your light skin tone is a foolishness.
One can easily show that in those particular cultures racism is ingrained.

So let's see here. Racist White people enslave and generally make living as an African American a nightmare all throughout the country. White guy complains he can't walk through the one neighborhood in town filled with Black people. Have you considered the possibility that African American's spend most of their life living with the same level of fear you do if you're walking through a black neighborhood at night?
 
Ummmm..... you need evidence to conclude that African American men are on average poorer and tend to grow up in high crime areas with poor schools? What universe do you live in exactly?

Based on white privilege, yes.
 
But the question you fail to answer is how come nobody else on the team fits those criteria? Why are people like this so difficult to find? Answer: because it's significantly more difficult for them to get the opportunity in the first place.

Is this person not qualified for the job? Can you say with any level of certainty that there were others that were more qualified whom she was hired over? I the rest of your team is full of white dudes then how can you argue that it was difficult for white dudes to obtain these positions?

I never said no other team members fall within these categories, they certainly do and many of them as a matter of fact. Is the team predominantly white dudes, yes, but barely. Our executive is ethnic female. Our white dudes make up perhaps 50% of the team.

This particular category isn't that common actually, so your conclusion about them being hard to find has little to do with opportunity, it has to do with rarity.

This person is qualified, certainly. I never argued that more qualified white dudes were passed over. I simply noted the glee of management about being able to tick those boxes in their hire.
 
So let's see here. Racist White people enslave and generally make living as an African American a nightmare all throughout the country. White guy complains he can't walk through the one neighborhood in town filled with Black people. Have you considered the possibility that African American's spend most of their life living with the same level of fear you do if you're walking through a black neighborhood at night?

Funny, I listen to Tommy Sotomeyor occasionally. I posted one of his vids in this thread where he talks about the white neighborhood he now lives in.
A few of the points he made are interesting:
1. His white neighbors look out for him and his stuff.
2. He has been robbed several times, all by black bandits.
3. He would open his door to a white kid and not think twice, but wouldn't open his door at all to a black kid knocking.

I do feel you have grounds for your point to a degree, but I don't think many blacks fear walking through most white neighborhoods. But many do fear walking through their own neighborhoods in many places.
Just as an example, when was the last time whites burned down a neighborhood because blacks mistreated them? I'm just saying, things are quite equal in that respect.
And when they burn down their own towns and neighborhoods, how does this help them exactly in their cause? Where is the new Dr King I have to ask. Black leadership these days wants to cry and moan, not stand up like men and be respected like men. And the left seems to encourage the former rather than the latter.
White Privilege is a symptom of poor leadership and poor action.
Again, where is Dr King?
Instead they hold up Mike Brown as some sort of martyr for the cause. He was a punk black, not a good upstanding man.
 
Not sure what you intend to say here. If you mean that the movement to prevent color blindness and true equality, that would be mostly the progressives who are pushing these 'white privilege awareness' courses in high school and college. They establish political correctness rules to refer to people of color but none for so-called 'white people'. They see a racist under every bush and make a monumental mountain out of any phrase or comment that could even possibly be racist no matter how long ago it was.

Racism has become the stock in trade for the progressive left.

As John McWhorter eloquently wrote:
. . .I assume, for example, that the idea is not to teach white people that White Privilege means that black people are the only group of people in human history who cannot deal with obstacles and challenges. If the idea is that black people cannot solve their problems short of white people developing an exquisite sensitivity to how privileged they are, then we in the black community are being designated as disabled poster children. . .​
The Privilege of Checking White Privilege - The Daily Beast

In the same piece McWhorter commented that there is a 'white privilege' also perpetuated by those who demand that black people be seen as victims and different from white people:

--White people are not accused of 'not being a credit to their race.'
--White people can uner perform without it be ascribed to their race.
--When white people succeed, nobody wonders if or points out that it was achieved through affirmative action.
--Nobody expects you to speak for your race on television or in a class discussion
Etc.

True color blindness allows us to treat everybody as true equals with the good and the bad. Until skin color is treated as of no more importance than hair color or eye color, that can't happen.

And it won't happen so long as 'white privilege' is pointed out every day in every way because it continues to emphasize that we are different and, in a way, white is better.

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I like the quote. I do think it's worth pointing out that not everyone on "the left" buys into the "white privilege" ideology.
 
I like the quote. I do think it's worth pointing out that not everyone on "the left" buys into the "white privilege" ideology.

I appreciate that which is why I didn't make the statement as an absolute, but used the qualifier MOSTLY left wing progressives who push the white privilege motif.
 
Is this one of the most mainstream racist ideas out there?
This is saying I am somehow different because of my skin color. Really? Liberals, will you wake up please?
This is indeed racist extremism at it's worst. We have enough BS going to that divides us as a country.

might help if you knew the def of liberal, from the Latin, free. Being white is a huge advantage. So would you rather be black or white in these United States?. Usually shuts the whiners up
 
I appreciate that which is why I didn't make the statement as an absolute, but used the qualifier MOSTLY left wing progressives who push the white privilege motif.
Progressives, righties, commies whatever. How can anyone deny that being born white is a HUGE advantage in these United States?
You can start by being pulled over twice a week driving while black. No whitey I know experiences this. Know what they say, if you haven't been there you have nothing to say. But if our posters recognized this there would be no forum
 
Progressives, righties, commies whatever. How can anyone deny that being born white is a HUGE advantage in these United States?
You can start by being pulled over twice a week driving while black. No whitey I know experiences this. Know what they say, if you haven't been there you have nothing to say. But if our posters recognized this there would be no forum

You're missing the point. The very idea of promoting 'white privilege' sensitivity as necessary to combat racism, all the political correctness and government programs that have created the angry black community, all those who are taught almost from birth that they are disadvantaged, underprivileged, discriminated against because of white racism, has created the very circumstances that you are describing.

Only when black people are allowed to be just people instead of BLACK people; only when the color of skin becomes of no more importance than eye color or hair color, will black people ever be allowed to fully assimilate into the American society on par with everybody else. Until then, we will have a disproportionate number of angry young black people creating suspicion and fear because of their behavior, and they are reinforced in this by progressives telling them they are not allowed to be like everybody else.
 
might help if you knew the def of liberal, from the Latin, free. Being white is a huge advantage. So would you rather be black or white in these United States?. Usually shuts the whiners up

I think those crying white priv are the whiners.
 
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