White privilege

jaeger19 · Feb 17, 2017

Cable said:
Your cup is full, meaning you can't really hear anything.

Translation.. your full of BS.

I heard you.. I responded.. I would like to hear where you come up with a hypothesis based on the numbers you presented.. that black people hate blacks more than white people hate blacks.

Geoist · Feb 17, 2017

Cable said:
Is this one of the most mainstream racist ideas out there?
This is saying I am somehow different because of my skin color. Really? Liberals, will you wake up please?
This is indeed racist extremism at it's worst. We have enough BS going to that divides us as a country.

Ah, yes. "Racist extremism at it's worst." Hyperbole much? That statement alone is from a position of privilege. Oh, the irony of this thread.

Cable · Feb 17, 2017

jaeger19 said:
Translation.. your full of BS.

I heard you.. I responded.. I would like to hear where you come up with a hypothesis based on the numbers you presented.. that black people hate blacks more than white people hate blacks.

I hope to God you are a youngster.

jaeger19 · Feb 17, 2017

ajn678 said:
1. I guess you think peer review instantly means the study is correct. You know very little of science, or how journals are reviewed.
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Hmmm.. yeah what I do know is that a peer reviewed study has more weight on an evidence based approach than an opinion from an internet poster who hasn't even pointed out the specific flaws in the study that hurt its validity to the subject at hand.

2. Yes you are being obtuse.

Yes.. some black kids can and do get accepted with lower scores and get more financial assistance for being black.. that happens. BUT that does NOTHING.. NOTHING.. to deter from the fact that once those black kids leave school.. simply having a black sounding name decreases their chance of getting a callback for a job over their white peers!
So yes.. you are being obtuse.

Now.. interestingly.. the way we give precedence on race over economic factors in applications for college is one of the factors that continue institutional racism in this country. But you can't even bring yourself to admit that it happens.. so its not even worth discussing with you.

3. Yes.. several studies.

4. Again.. yes.. several studies.

YOU have brought nothing to the table except.. your opinion. Sorry but that's a fact as well.

Cable · Feb 17, 2017

Geoist said:
Ah, yes. "Racist extremism at it's worst." Hyperbole much? That statement alone is from a position of privilege. Oh, the irony of this thread.

Right, I am privileged to be an American.

When will you get over your guilt?

Social Justice Warriors are foolish in my opinion. Individuals matter, not races. Ask Dr King. That's all he wanted, to be judged by his character.

jaeger19 · Feb 17, 2017

Cable said:
I hope to God you are a youngster.

that's interesting.. why?

Is it more palatable to you to be proven wrong by a younger person?

calamity · Feb 17, 2017

Partsguy57 said:
Lol that would help!! I am serious though, I would love to hear what the fix is for " white privilege ", what do they want? What would make them happy? It's a valid question as the news is full of stories these days about " white privilege " come on people let's hear it!!! There is plenty of people here pushing this " white privilege " thing!! Let's hear the fix??

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Typical liberal "fix" is to cripple those with perceived advantages. So, they prefer to dumb whites down rather than lift blacks up. Tax successful whites, especially inheritance and income, rather than encourage blacks to achieve at a high level so that they too can pass wealth on to their offspring. That sort of thing.

jaeger19 · Feb 17, 2017

Partsguy57 said:
Lol that would help!! I am serious though, I would love to hear what the fix is for " white privilege ", what do they want? What would make them happy? It's a valid question as the news is full of stories these days about " white privilege " come on people let's hear it!!! There is plenty of people here pushing this " white privilege " thing!! Let's hear the fix??

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Sir.. you have been told over and over and over and over...

You aren;t interesting in listening to what the "fix is".. because you don't believe it happens at all.

jaeger19 · Feb 17, 2017

Partsguy57 said:
Simple question.... your fix for the " white privilege " problem?? What will it take to make you /black poor happy?? Give us the list of "fixes" please.

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Lets start with you admitting it exists.

then we can go from there.

Partsguy57 · Feb 17, 2017

jaeger19 said:
Sir.. you have been told over and over and over and over...

You aren;t interesting in listening to what the "fix is".. because you don't believe it happens at all.

You have made no mention of the fix. Let's see the list?? What do you want?? Very simple, what will fix the problem? Let's hear it?

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jaeger19 · Feb 17, 2017

Thumper said:
Yes. There is racial bias. Many blacks assume whites got what theyhave just cause they're white. Many whites assume that blacks are worthless. Many mexicans think all whites want them gone. Bla bla bla.

How do we solve this? Stop whinning and stop worrying what someone else thinks about you. Get out and prove that the sterotypes arent right.

The difference here is that while you are right.. racial bias exists in black folks and in Hispanics.. and Asians as well..

Since white people are in the VAST VAST majority.. their racial bias and "stereotypes" actually have way more effect than say minority bias.

Pointing out facts is not whining.

Partsguy57 · Feb 17, 2017

jaeger19 said:
Lets start with you admitting it exists.

then we can go from there.

We will agree that " white privilege " is rampant, overwhelming, dominant. So now let's hear the fix? What will it take for you and the " black poor" to be happy and successful?? List please?

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jaeger19 · Feb 17, 2017

Cable said:
But he did have serious obstacles to overcome, even though he was the best. He is a great example I think.

You realize that those obstacles were obstacles that other white runners didn;t have to deal with right?

Geoist · Feb 17, 2017

Cable said:
Right, I am privileged to be an American.
When will you get over your guilt?

Where did I say I feel guilty for being white (not that I mentioned my race in the first place)?

Acknowledging that my skin color gives me a general leg-up in this society is not expressing guilt, it is recognizing reality.

Social Justice Warriors are foolish in my opinion. Individuals matter, not races. Ask Dr King. That's all he wanted, to be judged by his character.

This is the equivalent of Bill O'Reilly's "I don't see people's color." Not only is it disingenuous, but it is damaging, despite its seemingly good intentions. By failing to "see race" you fail to see the damage institutional racism inflicts. It may be more subtle than it was in the Jim Crow South, but that doesn't mean it disappeared.

Cable · Feb 17, 2017

jaeger19 said:
that's interesting.. why?

Is it more palatable to you to be proven wrong by a younger person?

No, it would comfort me to know that you might grow out of it.

ludin · Feb 17, 2017

ashurbanipal said:
You are not in a position to know how you got where you got. None of us are. There are (probably) plenty of people who have worked just as hard as you, and not gotten as far, while there are plenty of other who have done little work, and made an absolute fortune.

And in any case, you're just ignoring the data, apparently willfully.

Actually I am.

Nope I am not. Others that are ahead to advantage of opportunities that I missed on.
back in the day you could buy apple stock for 4 bucks a share.

now it is over 135 dollars a share.
but we were laughing at apple back then.

I chose a field that pays good money once you build experience. I am looking to shift careers a bit into something that pays even more money.
that is the thing you have to do is navigate the market.

it has nothing to do with skin color.

Cable · Feb 17, 2017

jaeger19 said:
You realize that those obstacles were obstacles that other white runners didn;t have to deal with right?

That was really my point wasn't it. The other point was that it can be overcome with determination and skill. Did you get that part?

jaeger19 · Feb 17, 2017

Partsguy57 said:
We will agree that " white privilege " is rampant, overwhelming, dominant. So now let's hear the fix? What will it take for you and the " black poor" to be happy and successful?? List please?

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Great.. lets see.. first... if you truly just understood that white privilege is rampant, overwhelming and dominant.. I would suggest that you examine your hiring practices.. and determine if you are subconsciously ruling out folks due to your own bias.

THAT would be a giant step right there for a fix.. if white people could recognize their own bias.. and compensate for it. The same with school administrators etc

now other things that would help everyone but especially minorities:

Improve police training so that conflicts are not resolved with force.. and that force is less of an option.

Improve education by making sure each school has low class sizes and a highly qualified teacher in that classroom.

Review and change sentencing procedures so that there is not a racial disparity for minorities.

REvamp and fully fund the public defender system.

Change the criteria for special consideration for entrance to college from racial to economic. this ensures that more minorities THAT NEED help are given advantage of getting into school.. rather than schools getting their diversity by giving special consideration to minority children that don't need help (like my children).

If its based on economic consideration.. since minorities are over represented.. (particularly African americans) in poverty.. you will still get racial diversity..but you will getting the folks that need help. Rather than a wealthy doctors minority children.

Cable · Feb 17, 2017

Geoist said:
Where did I say I feel guilty for being white (not that I mentioned my race in the first place)?

Acknowledging that my skin color gives me a general leg-up in this society is not expressing guilt, it is recognizing reality.

This is the equivalent of Bill O'Reilly's "I don't see people's color." Not only is it disingenuous, but it is damaging, despite its seemingly good intentions. By failing to "see race" you fail to see the damage institutional racism inflicts. It may be more subtle than it was in the Jim Crow South, but that doesn't mean it disappeared.

Where we have discriminatory laws, policies, or practices, we need to change them. But I think they are fairly rare in this day.
I don't fail to see racism, I just refuse to judge people of any color based on their ethnicity.
The only time I am probably prejudiced is when I am walking down the street at night. But that is a matter of survival. I've been a victim of being white before and that isn't fun.
In the workplace or my daily life I give everyone an equal footing, until they show me otherwise.

jaeger19 · Feb 17, 2017

Cable said:
That was really my point wasn't it. The other point was that it can be overcome with determination and skill. Did you get that part?

I know it wasn't your intent.. but its a fact.

and it was overcome with EXTRAORDINARY determination and skill. How many excellent African American runners do you think DIDN"T make it because though as good or better than their white counterparts.. they were simply not THAT dominant as Jesse Owens was?

Something you need to think about. Among a lot of other things.

jaeger19 · Feb 17, 2017

Cable said:
No, it would comfort me to know that you might grow out of it.

Hardly.. my children deal with it..

But maybe one day.. when folks like yourself aren;t around as much... well.. things might be better...

jaeger19 · Feb 17, 2017

Geoist said:
Where did I say I feel guilty for being white (not that I mentioned my race in the first place)?

Acknowledging that my skin color gives me a general leg-up in this society is not expressing guilt, it is recognizing reality.

This is the equivalent of Bill O'Reilly's "I don't see people's color." Not only is it disingenuous, but it is damaging, despite its seemingly good intentions. By failing to "see race" you fail to see the damage institutional racism inflicts. It may be more subtle than it was in the Jim Crow South, but that doesn't mean it disappeared.

this is so well put..

The issue we have today is institutional racism in my opinion..

Its unfortunate that often the focus is on something simply ignorant.. like what a sports franchise owner said in private.. and not on things like police discrimination.. sentencing discrimination.. hiring practices that are biased.. school suspension based on bias.. etc.

NonoBadDog · Feb 17, 2017

RabidAlpaca said:
Please highlight the sentences in the quote where I said certain races should be given special privileges. You're so god damn lazy instead of listening to what I have to say you just make up what you want to hear. Dishonest and SAD.

Would you disagree with these students? Do you think students should get free tuition, regardless of test scores or criminal background, because of their skin color?

College Students Complain About ?White Supremacy,? Demand Free Tuition for Black Students | Law News

Students at University of Wisconsin-Madison are calling for black students to attend college free of charge, the Associated Press reported. The Associated Students of Madison (ASM) passed a resolution stating that the school’s population is disproportionately made up of suburban students, and the emphasis on standardized test scores is unfair to lower income applicants. The result, they said, is “white supremacy.”

The resolution calls for free tuition and housing, and no university fees, for all black people, including ex-convicts. The school has suggested other remedies to improve diversity but the ASM was not satisfied with mere promises. “The university’s rhetoric suggests that it is committed to diversity and inclusion, so this legislation compels the university to move towards action – which is imperative,” Student Council Rep. Tyriek Mack, who wrote the resolution, said in a statement.

jaeger19 · Feb 17, 2017

calamity said:
Typical liberal "fix" is to cripple those with perceived advantages. So, they prefer to dumb whites down rather than lift blacks up. Tax successful whites, especially inheritance and income, rather than encourage blacks to achieve at a high level so that they too can pass wealth on to their offspring. That sort of thing.

Wow.. okay Calamity.. please show me where in the tax code my children will pay less tax because they are a minority.. and I will pay more because I am white...

Now.. put up that evidence or retract that completely asinine statement.

Cable · Feb 17, 2017

jaeger19 said:
I know it wasn't your intent.. but its a fact.

and it was overcome with EXTRAORDINARY determination and skill. How many excellent African American runners do you think DIDN"T make it because though as good or better than their white counterparts.. they were simply not THAT dominant as Jesse Owens was?

Something you need to think about. Among a lot of other things.

I realize it. I don't know why you think I should spend even more time thinking about it. This was during a time when legally folks really weren't very equal yet, and culturally not as well. It was a bad time.
But that crap is mostly done now. Now it's just about people (culture) that still cling to those old ideals.
Don't demonize me because I am white, that's the thing you are fighting against. Demonize me if I show I am clinging to the old racist junk.

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