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Is this one of the most mainstream racist ideas out there?
This is saying I am somehow different because of my skin color. Really? Liberals, will you wake up please?
This is indeed racist extremism at it's worst. We have enough BS going to that divides us as a country.
 
American Privilege is real though.

our monetary policy is designed to exploit others. Most democrats are too dumb to understand what is happening, which is too bad, as they would probably care.
 
Is this one of the most mainstream racist ideas out there?
This is saying I am somehow different because of my skin color. Really? Liberals, will you wake up please?
This is indeed racist extremism at it's worst. We have enough BS going to that divides us as a country.

You're missing the point. This isn't a micro thing, it's a macro thing. Any given white person could easily be far poorer or have less social mobility than any given black person. However, after 200+ years of whites as a whole absorbing wealth and repressing blacks as a whole, the per capita wealth of blacks is dramatically less than it is for whites.

This isn't any individual's fault, just a historic reality. Wealth is passed down along the generations and blacks have had less wealth to pass down. Regardless of your race, having dirt poor or uneducated parents will echo down through multiple generations. Couple that with the fact that schools in black neighborhoods are statistically underfunded compared to white neighborhoods, there absolutely is an effect. When you take everything into account blacks as a whole have less wealth and opportunity than whites as a whole.

This is indeed racist extremism at it's worst.

By the way that you would actually say something this ridiculously stupid shows you've never opened a history book in your life. This, what you're experiencing as a white person right now, is the worst and most extreme case of racism mankind has ever seen?
 
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Is this one of the most mainstream racist ideas out there?
This is saying I am somehow different because of my skin color. Really? Liberals, will you wake up please?
This is indeed racist extremism at it's worst. We have enough BS going to that divides us as a country.

Please stop lumping all liberals together. We aren't a monolith.
 
You're missing the point. This isn't a micro thing, it's a macro thing. Any given white person could easily be far poorer or have less social mobility than any given black person. However, after 200+ years of whites as a whole absorbing wealth and repressing blacks as a whole, the per capita wealth of blacks is dramatically less than it is for whites.

This isn't any individual's fault, just a historic reality. Wealth is passed down along the generations and blacks have had less wealth to pass down. Regardless of your race, having dirt poor or uneducated parents will echo down through multiple generations. Couple that with the fact that schools in black neighborhoods are statistically underfunded compared to white neighborhoods, there absolutely is an effect. When you take everything into account blacks as a whole have less wealth and opportunity than whites as a whole.



By the way that you would actually say something this ridiculously stupid shows you've never opened a history book in your life. This, what you're experiencing as a white person right now, is the worst and most extreme case of racism mankind has ever seen?

So what does this all mean when the rubber meets the road RA? Is it about white really?
I grew up dirt poor, and I am at over 6 figures now, as a high school dropout. Is this because I am white? No.
It is because I applied myself and worked hard.

Everyone in America has opportunities that the rest of the world salivates over.
If you want to talk about the challenges of blacks in America I can understand that. But don't tell me I have some special advantage because of my skin color.
Honestly, I don't think there is anything that can be done to help blacks other than provide a level playing field and let them exploit their own skills and drive.
Otherwise they are made to feel inferior by the very nature of the affirmative action foolishness. Jesse Owens springs to mind....
Many blacks make it big time, so it can be done.
 
You're missing the point. This isn't a micro thing, it's a macro thing. Any given white person could easily be far poorer or have less social mobility than any given black person. However, after 200+ years of whites as a whole absorbing wealth and repressing blacks as a whole, the per capita wealth of blacks is dramatically less than it is for whites.

This isn't any individual's fault, just a historic reality. Wealth is passed down along the generations and blacks have had less wealth to pass down. Regardless of your race, having dirt poor or uneducated parents will echo down through multiple generations. Couple that with the fact that schools in black neighborhoods are statistically underfunded compared to white neighborhoods, there absolutely is an effect. When you take everything into account blacks as a whole have less wealth and opportunity than whites as a whole.



By the way that you would actually say something this ridiculously stupid shows you've never opened a history book in your life. This, what you're experiencing as a white person right now, is the worst and most extreme case of racism mankind has ever seen?

Given that the bolded above is true - is it not more of an economic than racial issue? Programs such as the EITC (and other "safety net" programs) are designed to counter economic (as opposed to racial) disadvantage - are you asserting that they should offer different benefits based on the race (rather than the economic state) of the applicant?
 
Even if White Privilege is a thing, the SJW demonization of the white male does not help race relations but instead exacerbates it.

I'm with Morgan Freeman on how to end racism:


"Stop talking about it... I'm going to stop calling you a White Man, and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a Black man. I know you as Mike Wallace, you know me as Morgan Freeman."
 
Are you saying you agree with my thoughts on this G?

Partly. I don't find it racist, I just don't agree with it. I think "privilege" (for the most part) really depends on one's socio-economic status.
 
So what does this all mean when the rubber meets the road RA? Is it about white really?
I grew up dirt poor, and I am at over 6 figures now, as a high school dropout. Is this because I am white? No.
It is because I applied myself and worked hard.

Everyone in America has opportunities that the rest of the world salivates over.
If you want to talk about the challenges of blacks in America I can understand that. But don't tell me I have some special advantage because of my skin color.
Honestly, I don't think there is anything that can be done to help blacks other than provide a level playing field and let them exploit their own skills and drive.
Otherwise they are made to feel inferior by the very nature of the affirmative action foolishness. Jesse Owens springs to mind....
Many blacks make it big time, so it can be done.

Nobody doubts that there are tons of blacks who are way smarter, way better educated, and way more successful than you. We all find that very believable. You can't however pretend that blacks in America have the exact same level of opportunity as whites. There absolutely is a difference. The best example of "white privilege" is whining on internet forums about how oppressed you are because someone pointed out blacks as a whole don't have the exact same opportunities as whites as a whole.

Given that the bolded above is true - is it not more of an economic than racial issue? Programs such as the EITC (and other "safety net" programs) are designed to counter economic (as opposed to racial) disadvantage - are you asserting that they should offer different benefits based on the race (rather than the economic state) of the applicant?

Of course it's an economic issue, and that economic issue hits blacks and other minorities harder than it does whites. We do have our programs based around income and not race right now, but because of historical reasons that naturally is going to include more blacks. I don't really understand what's so hard for some people to recognize that while yes, you as an individual can make your own destiny, groups of people as a whole still have statistical disadvantages from past circumstances.
 
You're missing the point. This isn't a micro thing, it's a macro thing. Any given white person could easily be far poorer or have less social mobility than any given black person. However, after 200+ years of whites as a whole absorbing wealth and repressing blacks as a whole, the per capita wealth of blacks is dramatically less than it is for whites.
This isn't any individual's fault, just a historic reality. Wealth is passed down along the generations and blacks have had less wealth to pass down. Regardless of your race, having dirt poor or uneducated parents will echo down through multiple generations. Couple that with the fact that schools in black neighborhoods are statistically underfunded compared to white neighborhoods, there absolutely is an effect. When you take everything into account blacks as a whole have less wealth and opportunity than whites as a whole.
We do live in a global world and the black woman may be a Kikuyu, Luo, Hutu, or other ethnic group that had privilege in their homeland and sufficient wealth to have some privilege when immigrating to the US. And the white guy may be some Romanian who has been kicked around wherever he lived.
Add to the confusion that there is no consensus on what the races are or how they are determined. At the ever expanding fringes, there is no consensus. There is no science in race. Is a Basque or even Spaniard Hispanic? Is a Turk white? Who knows? These are politically created groups and therefore some privilege from politics. No Hmong need apply. The "Asian-American" category is filled with Chinese and Japanese.
Growing up 50 years ago we understood the evil of racial policies. But now we seem to have the feeling that racial policies are OK as long as the "proper races" benefit. That just seems weird, especially when we know economics trumps race significantly.
And race based policies are contrary to equal protection laws. Even if developed to "help" a disadvantaged group.
 
Partly. I don't find it racist, I just don't agree with it. I think "privilege" (for the most part) really depends on one's socio-economic status.

Aaah, but this is precisely the point! The black liberationist recognizes race as a form of social status; as a kind of social class. In other words, all other factors (wealth level, age, gender, location, etc.) being the same, people will tend to treat you worse for being black than for being white. That's not to say it's right, but that it's the state of the world as things presently are.
 
Nobody doubts that there are tons of blacks who are way smarter, way better educated, and way more successful than you. We all find that very believable. You can't however pretend that blacks in America have the exact same level of opportunity as whites. There absolutely is a difference. The best example of "white privilege" is whining on internet forums about how oppressed you are because someone pointed out blacks as a whole don't have the exact same opportunities as whites as a whole.



Of course it's an economic issue, and that economic issue hits blacks and other minorities harder than it does whites. We do have our programs based around income and not race right now, but because of historical reasons that naturally is going to include more blacks. I don't really understand what's so hard for some people to recognize that while yes, you as an individual can make your own destiny, groups of people as a whole still have statistical disadvantages from past circumstances.

The point is that rich privilege is not the same as white privilege no matter what race based US history helped to cause that to be so. BTW that (bolded above) assertion is not true - there may be a higher percentage of poor blacks in the US but there are more poor whites in the US than poor blacks. Using purely racial (ethnic?) statistical data it would seem that Asian privilege is a bigger issue.
 
You're missing the point. This isn't a micro thing, it's a macro thing. Any given white person could easily be far poorer or have less social mobility than any given black person. However, after 200+ years of whites as a whole absorbing wealth and repressing blacks as a whole, the per capita wealth of blacks is dramatically less than it is for whites.

This isn't any individual's fault, just a historic reality. Wealth is passed down along the generations and blacks have had less wealth to pass down. Regardless of your race, having dirt poor or uneducated parents will echo down through multiple generations. Couple that with the fact that schools in black neighborhoods are statistically underfunded compared to white neighborhoods, there absolutely is an effect. When you take everything into account blacks as a whole have less wealth and opportunity than whites as a whole.



By the way that you would actually say something this ridiculously stupid shows you've never opened a history book in your life. This, what you're experiencing as a white person right now, is the worst and most extreme case of racism mankind has ever seen?

The macro thing describes why blacks are more likely to be in poverty and bad schools than whites by percentage of the whole. But this doesn't explain the individual cases of people escaping poverty.

If a white person can escape poverty, so can a black person, because that means poverty is escapable. White people also go to bad schools, and white people also have generational poverty. If you acknowledge that extreme effort can break the poverty cycke, then it is disingenuous to also claim the cycle is too hard to break as an excuse.

Unpacking the rest of the knapsack is a sociology problem, and not well founded in statistics. What is the real effect of having bandaids and dolls match the skin color of "your oppressors"? Well, that all depends on who you label an oppressor in the first place
 
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You're missing the point. This isn't a micro thing, it's a macro thing. Any given white person could easily be far poorer or have less social mobility than any given black person. However, after 200+ years of whites as a whole absorbing wealth and repressing blacks as a whole, the per capita wealth of blacks is dramatically less than it is for whites.

This isn't any individual's fault, just a historic reality. Wealth is passed down along the generations and blacks have had less wealth to pass down. Regardless of your race, having dirt poor or uneducated parents will echo down through multiple generations. Couple that with the fact that schools in black neighborhoods are statistically underfunded compared to white neighborhoods, there absolutely is an effect. When you take everything into account blacks as a whole have less wealth and opportunity than whites as a whole.



By the way that you would actually say something this ridiculously stupid shows you've never opened a history book in your life. This, what you're experiencing as a white person right now, is the worst and most extreme case of racism mankind has ever seen?

You're conflating culture and neighborhoods with skin color. You choose the most over-simplified approach to a complex problem and arrived at a bad conclusion. Look at the multi-generational poverty in white Appalachian communities. Is that because they are white or because of the culture and surroundings they live in??
 
Is this one of the most mainstream racist ideas out there?
This is saying I am somehow different because of my skin color. Really? Liberals, will you wake up please?
This is indeed racist extremism at it's worst. We have enough BS going to that divides us as a country.

So you actually don't know what 'white privilege' actually is.

So why bother posting about it?
 
The point is that rich privilege is not the same as white privilege no matter what race based US history helped to cause that to be so. BTW that (bolded above) assertion is not true - there may be a higher percentage of poor blacks in the US but there are more poor whites in the US than poor blacks. Using purely racial (ethnic?) statistical data it would seem that Asian privilege is a bigger issue.

Everything I said was based on per capita numbers. The median wealth of white families is 16 times higher than it is for black families. There are certainly people, maybe even in this thread, that think it's because blacks are simply lazier and less capable than whites intrinsically, but there is a plethora of historical and socioeconomic reasons for it.

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Source: The Racial Wealth Gap
Analysis: Forbes - The Racial Wealth Gap

The macro thing describes why blacks are more likely to be in poverty and bad schools than whites by percentage of the whole. But this doesn't explain the individual cases of people escaping poverty.

If a white person can escape poverty, so can a black person, because that means poverty is escapable. White people also go to bad schools, and white people also have generational poverty. If you acknowledge that extreme effort can break the poverty cycke, then it is disingenuous to also claim the cycle is too hard to break as an excuse.

Unpacking the rest of the knapsack is a sociology problem, and not well founded in statistics. What is the real effect of having bandaids and dolls match the skin color of "your oppressors"? Well, that all depends on who you label an oppressor in the first place

Of course, and keeping with your analogy, the walls one has to climb to "escape" poverty are statistically lower for the average white than they are for the average black. Sure, individuals on both sides can and do make it, but because of educational disparity, generational poverty and historical issues, blacks as a whole have to try harder to get the same level of opportunity as whites as a whole. Do you think the "bad schools" problem effects both races equally as bad?

You're conflating culture and neighborhoods with skin color. You choose the most over-simplified approach to a complex problem and arrived at a bad conclusion. Look at the multi-generational poverty in white Appalachian communities. Is that because they are white or because of the culture and surroundings they live in??

I'm well aware there is generational poverty in every community and every race. But you can't sit there with a straight face and pretend that the problem is equally bad for all communities. Do you think that all races in America at this moment have the exact same level of opportunity? Does the average black person have to work exactly as hard as the average white person to reach the same level of wealth and opportunity?
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
If a white person can escape poverty, so can a black person, because that means poverty is escapable.

Actually, that does not follow. You're confusing predicate quantifiers. That a did P means that doing P is possible in a broadly logical sense. However, that P is possible in the broadly logical sense, or that a has done P, does not mean that b can do P. (note: a and b are to be read here as names, not particles).
 
Actually, that does not follow. You're confusing predicate quantifiers. That a did P means that doing P is possible in a broadly logical sense. However, that P is possible in the broadly logical sense, or that a has done P, does not mean that b can do P. (note: a and b are to be read here as names, not particles).

Logic seems to be foolish in this respect, because Blacks can and do escape poverty. Your point it taken, but not applicable.

So the concept of White Privilege does what exactly for anyone?
 
Is this one of the most mainstream racist ideas out there?
This is saying I am somehow different because of my skin color. Really? Liberals, will you wake up please?
This is indeed racist extremism at it's worst. We have enough BS going to that divides us as a country.

I agree. Tell some schmuck in West Virginia with a drug addled daughter, with two or three kids, and a son down in the coal mines that he is privileged. See how well that flies. :)
 
Cable said:
Logic seems to be foolish in this respect, because Blacks can and do escape poverty. Your point it taken, but not applicable.

Obviously it is applicable--names stand in for individuals, not groups. That one black person escaped poverty does not mean that another can, or that all can.

Cable said:
So the concept of White Privilege does what exactly for anyone?

Calls attention to a very real structural imbalance of power. It does not speak to all individual transactions, though--just some of them. It does not mean, for example, that there are no white people living in extreme poverty--there clearly are. It does mean that if you're a black person in the same situation, you probably have it even worse than being a white person in that situation. That said, I think there is an unrecognized factor of discrimination against the poor that is nearly as bad as racism.
 
You're missing the point. This isn't a micro thing, it's a macro thing. Any given white person could easily be far poorer or have less social mobility than any given black person. However, after 200+ years of whites as a whole absorbing wealth and repressing blacks as a whole, the per capita wealth of blacks is dramatically less than it is for whites.

This isn't any individual's fault, just a historic reality. Wealth is passed down along the generations and blacks have had less wealth to pass down. Regardless of your race, having dirt poor or uneducated parents will echo down through multiple generations. Couple that with the fact that schools in black neighborhoods are statistically underfunded compared to white neighborhoods, there absolutely is an effect. When you take everything into account blacks as a whole have less wealth and opportunity than whites as a whole.



By the way that you would actually say something this ridiculously stupid shows you've never opened a history book in your life. This, what you're experiencing as a white person right now, is the worst and most extreme case of racism mankind has ever seen?
Wealth is not passed down from generation to generation in most cases. Total lie!! Go read the book the millionaire next door you may learn something. The black population is not poor because of lack of opportunity, it's mostly because of one's own poor choices and that includes all races in this country.

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Obviously it is applicable--names stand in for individuals, not groups. That one black person escaped poverty does not mean that another can, or that all can.



Calls attention to a very real structural imbalance of power. It does not speak to all individual transactions, though--just some of them. It does not mean, for example, that there are no white people living in extreme poverty--there clearly are. It does mean that if you're a black person in the same situation, you probably have it even worse than being a white person in that situation. That said, I think there is an unrecognized factor of discrimination against the poor that is nearly as bad as racism.

To what end, the attention on unfairness?
Funny, Calamity, I was born out of a coal mining family from WV, and not into the Bush dynasty. I would like then to call out Bush Privilege. I have a real problem with that.
 
Nobody doubts that there are tons of blacks who are way smarter, way better educated, and way more successful than you. We all find that very believable. You can't however pretend that blacks in America have the exact same level of opportunity as whites. There absolutely is a difference. The best example of "white privilege" is whining on internet forums about how oppressed you are because someone pointed out blacks as a whole don't have the exact same opportunities as whites as a whole.



Of course it's an economic issue, and that economic issue hits blacks and other minorities harder than it does whites. We do have our programs based around income and not race right now, but because of historical reasons that naturally is going to include more blacks. I don't really understand what's so hard for some people to recognize that while yes, you as an individual can make your own destiny, groups of people as a whole still have statistical disadvantages from past circumstances.
Bull crap!! Do you think blacks were the only ones dealing with slavery and other huge issues??? Go look at the people who have fled from other parts of the world to start a new life here and as groups have done very well....

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Most people are poor because of their own poor choices! Period!! I am a very successful small businessman that came from nothing and I can attest to this as nearly all my friends are the same as me and we talk about it quite often. A very wealthy friend said it best to me. You can take every dollar from the rich and give it to the poor and in six months I will be on my way to being rich again and they will be on their way to being poor . Creating wealth is all about wise choices ( and other factors) coupled with talent and some have far more talent in this area then others. ( yes making money is a talent) I laugh at some here that sit on their butts here complaining about their situation . If you you have time to sit on your butt here and are unhappy about ones financial situation, you are a example of using your time poorly i.e. poor choice. We all get the same 24 hours a day, some use it far more wisely then others....

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