White privilege

Jack Hays said:

We are all victims of Affirmative Action. The introduction of race into our public business processes undermines the American idea.

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A policy of race-based preferences is, by definition, racist. And, it hurts everyone, black, white, Asian, etc.

calamity said:

A policy of race-based preferences is, by definition, racist. And, it hurts everyone, black, white, Asian, etc.

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I believe that's what I said.

jaeger19 said:

I am not. Its what you wrote.

You have written that your bias is because of black militants:..

And you wrote how that bias would affect your hiring:



Sorry.. but there is no "assuming" on my part. WE have your own words.

now.. maybe you are just realizing what your position has been... but they are your own words and they are not taken out of context.

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So if you knew somebody was a toxic element in the workplace, somebody you would have to treat with kid gloves, somebody just looking for a reason to sue you, you would not have any bias in hiring that person?

Do you understand that the bias would have nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with somebody's attitude and track record?

I wouldn't pass over your resume' because you were black. I do not have any prejudices whatsoever hiring people of whatever ethnicity, race, creed, or whatever, working with people, working for people.

I would think twice about hiring somebody like you because I suspect you would be a royal pain in the butt looking for something racist in what everybody says and everything that happened. Who needs that?

calamity said:

Are there race problems in the US? Yes. Is AA a solution? Not in my opinion. It perpetuates the problems, IMO.

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Sure. its your opinion... but so far.. you cannot articulate how it actually has a meaningful impact.

jaeger19 said:

Sure. its your opinion... but so far.. you cannot articulate how it actually has a meaningful impact.

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I laid it out. You disagreed. C'est la vie.

AlbqOwl said:

So if you knew somebody was a toxic element in the workplace, somebody you would have to treat with kid gloves, somebody just looking for a reason to sue you, you would not have any bias in hiring that person?

Do you understand that the bias would have nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with somebody's attitude and track record?

I wouldn't pass over your resume' because you were black. I do not have any prejudices whatsoever hiring people of whatever ethnicity, race, creed, or whatever, working with people, working for people.

I would think twice about hiring somebody like you because I suspect you would be a royal pain in the butt looking for something racist in what everybody says and everything that happened. Who needs that?

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Lets take you back to what you said:

[QUOTEAlbqowl]Why should I hire the guy who is going to make me walk on eggs, carefully measure every word, instruction, etc., and keep me worried that he will be offended by something or somebody, when I can hire a Latino or Native American or Asian or white guy who won't put me through that[/QUOTE]

You realize that you DID Make it about the color of their skin. You didn;t say.. when I can hire anyone else that won't make me walk on eggshells..you stated.. "when I can hire a LATINO, or NATIVE AMERICAN, or ASIAN, or white guy".

So yes.. you ARE making it about the color of their skin. And yes you did discuss why its reasonable to pass over a black persons resume:

Albqowl said:

Is Lakisha or Jamal an ordinary person who would be a good worker and an asset to the business? Or is she/he somebody with a chip on his/her shoulder that will cry racism if not hired or have his/her coworkers walking on egg shells if s/he is hired? I myself have dealt with civil rights activists who applied for jobs to test me to see how I would treat them. So the busy recruiter doesn't want to deal with the hassle and picks up the application for Bill or Beth instead

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You just made it a point that you though it was reasonable to pass over a black person for someone like Bill or Beth so you don't have to "deal with the hassle",.. THAT YOU ASSUME will happen because the person is black.

those are your words and your arguments.

Like I said... I would not hire you because you would cost me good employees because of your obvious stated bias.

By the way.. as the father of minority children... let me explain something to you. The incidence of black people or any other minority walking around with a "chip on their shoulder" looking to any reason to sue is a giant fat LIE. For the number of minorities.. and black people in this country.. our courts would be filled with lawsuits for your supposed slights. But they are not.

And you know why? Because minorities by and large do not complain when racist crap happens. It happens so frequently that if you wasted your time everytime it happened, you would be busy 24/7 complaining. Generally the complaints only happen when its been so egregious or because its been going on so long that enough is enough.

I understand that. My sons deal with almost daily racism. A coach, or teammate or a another kid in school doing something or saying something.. or posting something on facebook etc. If every time that happened in school I ran to the office.. I might as well camp there. So my sons learn to deal.. JUST LIKE ALMOST ALL MINORITIES. However, WHEN it became so bad.. for example when a kid threatened to shoot my son with an arrow in archer class. THEN I brought it to the schools attention.

And when I explain that this behavior has been going on for a while.. they say "ohhh that doesn't happen in our school"... no.. yes it does.. its just that they are ignorant of it. That's a reality that a lot of minorities face. They deal with it on several levels and very frequently.. but they don't complain.

And of course when they do.. someone like yourself says "YOU ARE A MILITANT"...

When all they have done.. .like me.. has present the facts.

calamity said:

I laid it out. You disagreed. C'est la vie.

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C'est de la foutaise!