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White privilege

Cable said:
You assume I don't pay attention to what is going on with this issue, I have been paying attention for a long time about it. In my early 20's I read Dr Kings writings and I understood them.
What I don't understand is creating such a thing as "White Privilege" Why do we need this? What is the function of this thought?
I can't stand it when some black guest on some talk show says "You white, you just don't know..." BS. There were plenty of whites marching with Dr King. They knew and I know what is going on.

Liberals coin these phrases not to rectify any wrongs. The purpose is to garner the black vote, to create a victim voting block that they can pander to, with ever helping them.
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Well.. I would say the point is that that there is still an advantage to being white. Certainly things have changed in America.. I don't worry about my children getting hung by a white mob because they talk to a white girl. I do however worry about what happens when they are stopped by the police.
That's one of the real issues we have with race in this country.. is that racial issues are institutionalized. The problems are so ingrown that there is no recognition that they exist.

I see "white privilege" as a counter to that.. to educate people on these institutional issues.

and truly.. when you are white.. you just don't know. I am white.. but I don't really know what its like to have to deal with the issues my children deal with. It simply doesn;t happen and didn't; happen to me. I might have a better understanding than most.. but it Doesn't HAPPEN TO ME.

and its irksome when I hear people tell me.. a white rich, conservative male.. that when I bring up these facts.. its dismissed as "liberals trying to garner the black vote". and its "creating a victim".

That's just complete BS.
 
TheGoverness said:
Please stop lumping all liberals together. We aren't a monolith.
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Funny thing is, 90% of the high school white boys don't know the def of liberal, from liber = free. For the individual and small gov. The ignorance is astounding
 
jaeger19 said:
Well.. I would say the point is that that there is still an advantage to being white. Certainly things have changed in America.. I don't worry about my children getting hung by a white mob because they talk to a white girl. I do however worry about what happens when they are stopped by the police.
That's one of the real issues we have with race in this country.. is that racial issues are institutionalized. The problems are so ingrown that there is no recognition that they exist.

I see "white privilege" as a counter to that.. to educate people on these institutional issues.

and truly.. when you are white.. you just don't know. I am white.. but I don't really know what its like to have to deal with the issues my children deal with. It simply doesn;t happen and didn't; happen to me. I might have a better understanding than most.. but it Doesn't HAPPEN TO ME.

and its irksome when I hear people tell me.. a white rich, conservative male.. that when I bring up these facts.. its dismissed as "liberals trying to garner the black vote". and its "creating a victim".

That's just complete BS.
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You can usually shut the white boys up by asking them whether they would rather be black or white in these United states
 
MrWonka said:
Are you sure? Who's going to hire a black truck driver? Who's going to take their car to a black mechanic? Who's going to hire a black mechanic out of tech school and show him the ropes? Where is a black guy going to learn about cars in the first place given that his poor urban family doesn't own one? Most of the people he knows that can afford a car are drug dealers. Most urban poor people don't have a drivers license at all let alone a CDL.
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Good grief..... I see black truck drivers on the road every day..... Bull crap on the rest. I got my start in the automotive world, owed a full auto parts store and machine shop by 19. ( nowI do mini storage, apartments, property development heavy equipment, and several other things. ) you are full of crap the automotive world is desperate for talented mechanics go ask any shop. Personal wise choice is where its at. Go look at the stats on the great War on poverty started in the 60s, total failure!!! Why? Stealing from one group to give to another making poor choices will never work...

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UtahBill said:
At higher level jobs, it certainly helps to be attractive. IIRC it was 60 Minutes that did a segment on that. People with less than stellar resume's got the job if they fit the corporate mold.
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No doubt there is bias in many things we do. People that have better teeth do better. People who are attractive do better. Thin people do better.

That in no way deters from the fact that the color of your skin has an effect. Without EVEN SEEING YOU. As the research indicates.. you can't even get in the door as easily to show your pearly whites, your handsome features, or how in shape you are. Which by the way are all things that a person can change. Its much easier to change your appearance.. than your genetic code.

I gotta point out.. that this is why minorities get so pissed at times at white people.. I mean.. being a minority can literally mean that you are more likely to get arrested or beat up in a traffic stop. And that's compared to "well if a person is more attractive they are slightly more likely to get the job"..

As if somehow.. that makes it okay.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Of course, and keeping with your analogy, the walls one has to climb to "escape" poverty are statistically lower for the average white than they are for the average black. Sure, individuals on both sides can and do make it, but because of educational disparity, generational poverty and historical issues, blacks as a whole have to try harder to get the same level of opportunity as whites as a whole. Do you think the "bad schools" problem effects both races equally as bad??
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Love the racist identity politics....


1. Why are inner city schools bad? And if they are bad why is the left against vouchers?

2. opportunity you say?


Minority scholarships, hirings, quotas. all designed to give person a more opportunity than person b, all due to skin color.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Love the racist identity politics....


1. Why are inner city schools bad? And if they are bad why is the left against vouchers?

2. opportunity you say?


Minority scholarships, hirings, quotas. all designed to give person a more opportunity than person b, all due to skin color.
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Racist identity politics? Are you saying I'm wrong and the per capita wealth of blacks in America is the same as whites? Maybe I'm wrong and blacks are just lazier than whites, right? Perhaps their schools suck because their brains don't work as good and they're bad with money? Tell me about how I'm just being racist and that their economic woes are really all their own fault or non-existant.
 
jaeger19 said:
No doubt there is bias in many things we do. People that have better teeth do better. People who are attractive do better. Thin people do better.

That in no way deters from the fact that the color of your skin has an effect. Without EVEN SEEING YOU. As the research indicates.. you can't even get in the door as easily to show your pearly whites, your handsome features, or how in shape you are. Which by the way are all things that a person can change. Its much easier to change your appearance.. than your genetic code.

I gotta point out.. that this is why minorities get so pissed at times at white people.. I mean.. being a minority can literally mean that you are more likely to get arrested or beat up in a traffic stop. And that's compared to "well if a person is more attractive they are slightly more likely to get the job"..

As if somehow.. that makes it okay.
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Sad? So what you do is complain instead of moving on?? You are not the only crowd with issues, there are other group's, individuals that have far greater issues and excel. Grow up and move on.

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TheGoverness said:
Partly. I don't find it racist, I just don't agree with it. I think "privilege" (for the most part) really depends on one's socio-economic status.
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That is a bigger factor than race, imo. Not that race plays no role at all.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Racist identity politics? Are you saying I'm wrong and the per capita wealth of blacks in America is the same as whites? Maybe I'm wrong and blacks are just lazier than whites, right? Perhaps their schools suck because their brains don't work as good? Tell me about how I'm just being racist and that their economic woes are really all their own fault or non-existant.
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Actually the liberal race policies have destroyed the black family to so great a degree that they truly have something to overcome. But you can't see that part right?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Love the racist identity politics....


1. Why are inner city schools bad? And if they are bad why is the left against vouchers?

2. opportunity you say?


Minority scholarships, hirings, quotas. all designed to give person a more opportunity than person b, all due to skin color.
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I'll explain why the left is against vouchers. And against vouchers as well.. and here is why.

Vouchers rarely cover the entirety of a private school So upper middle class families can leave the school district because now they get a voucher and have the wherewithal to afford the rest of the private school tuition.. while a poor family (and minorities tend to be more heavily represented in poor demographics) has to stay in a public school that has had its funding drained away.
 
Cable said:
Actually the liberal race policies have destroyed the black family to so great a degree that they truly have something to overcome. But you can't see that part right?
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Please detail exactly what those liberal race policies are and specifically how they have destroyed the black family.

This will be news to my family.. I wait with baited breath.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The research would "imply" that blacks were "just lazy" if we held the false notion that if you're born black you have the exact same amount of opportunity in life as whites, and that's simply not the case. There are generational education and wealth effects that still exist. The US didn't magically become equal in 1865.

The median black family in America has 1/16th the wealth of the median white family. Since we both agree it's not because they're lazy, perhaps you can open your eyes to other factors. You seem to be implying it's all just a numbers based trick. So what if we go by neighborhood? What does that change? The median black neighborhood is still dramatically poorer and less funded than the median white neighborhood. I don't see how recognizing this fact is some huge assault on you.
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... and what is the impact of culture and neighborhood on those factors?? ALL you can see is race... If it was only about race, then we wouldn't have poor white people, just poor black people. We wouldn't have successful black people, just successful white people. But as long as you can point to someone other than the person who has the problem, it's easy to avoid dealing with your own issues. Instead of saying "The white man is keeping me down.", we should be hearing "No one can keep me down except ME.". But that doesn't fit the preconceived conclusion that these studies all start with.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Racist identity politics? Are you saying I'm wrong and the per capita wealth of blacks in America is the same as whites? Maybe I'm wrong and blacks are just lazier than whites, right? Perhaps their schools suck because their brains don't work as good? Tell me about how I'm just being racist and that their economic woes are really all their own fault or non-existant.
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Lazy plays a huge part in one's financial success no matter the color. It's all about choices, wise choices and lazy is a choice. For example, I know poor people and lazy poor people. You can tell who will always be poor just by the way they live. Look at the lazy poor who live like pigs?? No excuse for that ever!!! You can always pick up the trash, break out the broom, pull the weeds etc.... this kind of example is endless.

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RabidAlpaca said:
Racist identity politics? Are you saying I'm wrong and the per capita wealth of blacks in America is the same as whites? Maybe I'm wrong and blacks are just lazier than whites, right? Perhaps their schools suck because their brains don't work as good? Tell me about how I'm just being racist and that their economic woes are really all their own fault.
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You suffer from "racism of lowered expectations". lazier? I don't think so. In education is there a culture of "acting white" in inner city schools, and a parental disinterest in students education. it's simply not valued, culturally, not genetically. you take that with the teacher union leftists racist position against school vouchers and you have yourself a quandry and you are blaming a whole nother race for it, when you all should be looking elsewhere.


and yup. I've seen it. we do tons of work for inner city youth organizations. But that's my fault I guess, damn muh privlege!!!!


"Acting White" - Education Next : Education Next
 
Partsguy57 said:
Sad? So what you do is complain instead of moving on?? You are not the only crowd with issues, there are other group's, individuals that have far greater issues and excel. Grow up and move on.

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You call it complaining. I call it standing up for my childs god given right to be treated as an equal regardless of his skin color.

You sir would have me act the coward and simply run away.. probably so guys like you can feel better about your attitudes. Learn to deal with reality.
 
jaeger19 said:
I'll explain why the left is against vouchers. And against vouchers as well.. and here is why.

Vouchers rarely cover the entirety of a private school So upper middle class families can leave the school district because now they get a voucher and have the wherewithal to afford the rest of the private school tuition.. while a poor family (and minorities tend to be more heavily represented in poor demographics) has to stay in a public school that has had its funding drained away.
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Vouchers should cover transferring to any private of public school that has available slots and should cover all costs. The idea that "we cant have vouchers because we need to good kids to keep the money coming in for the ****ty kids" is a poor one. anti-voucher is pro jim crow.
 
faithful_servant said:
... and what is the impact of culture and neighborhood on those factors?? ALL you can see is race... If it was only about race, then we wouldn't have poor white people, just poor black people. We wouldn't have successful black people, just successful white people. But as long as you can point to someone other than the person who has the problem, it's easy to avoid dealing with your own issues. Instead of saying "The white man is keeping me down.", we should be hearing "No one can keep me down except ME.". But that doesn't fit the preconceived conclusion that these studies all start with.
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Except you fail to recognize that the culture and neighborhood were and are to some extent today created by racism and discrimination. and that has lasting effects.

Whether your parents are college educated is a determiner of your likelihood of going to college and graduating.

So, if your grandfather was denied going to college because of the color of his skin.. his child is less likely to go to college, and his child is less likely to go to college.. so on and so forth.

Something outside the culture has to step up and make that difference.
 
jaeger19 said:
Please detail exactly what those liberal race policies are and specifically how they have destroyed the black family.

This will be news to my family.. I wait with baited breath.
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See the video I posted previously. I think they are covered there.
 
jaeger19 said:
No doubt there is bias in many things we do. People that have better teeth do better. People who are attractive do better. Thin people do better.

That in no way deters from the fact that the color of your skin has an effect. Without EVEN SEEING YOU. As the research indicates.. you can't even get in the door as easily to show your pearly whites, your handsome features, or how in shape you are. Which by the way are all things that a person can change. Its much easier to change your appearance.. than your genetic code.

I gotta point out.. that this is why minorities get so pissed at times at white people.. I mean.. being a minority can literally mean that you are more likely to get arrested or beat up in a traffic stop. And that's compared to "well if a person is more attractive they are slightly more likely to get the job"..

As if somehow.. that makes it okay.
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But there are also those who are demanding equal pay for equal work without demonstrating equal capabilities, and they are militant about it. There are also 14 year old brats who refuse to do their school work and lie to their parents about it. The parents then tell the teacher "my child does not lie". Really? All kids lie...
It ain't easy to please everyone and it should not be required to please everyone, whether it be the worker
or the student. My teacher wife knows all too well about some students, and with 50 years as a technician I know plenty of people who were overpaid for what little they did on the job. Longevity on the job buys a certain amount of job security, no matter how little you are actually worth on the job. Then these dolts complain if the more competent new hire gets as much as they get. It isn't fair, but it exists.
 
faithful_servant said:
... and what is the impact of culture and neighborhood on those factors?? ALL you can see is race... If it was only about race, then we wouldn't have poor white people, just poor black people. We wouldn't have successful black people, just successful white people. But as long as you can point to someone other than the person who has the problem, it's easy to avoid dealing with your own issues. Instead of saying "The white man is keeping me down.", we should be hearing "No one can keep me down except ME.". But that doesn't fit the preconceived conclusion that these studies all start with.
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Cable said:
Actually the liberal race policies have destroyed the black family to so great a degree that they truly have something to overcome. But you can't see that part right?
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ReverendHellh0und said:
You suffer from "racism of lowered expectations". lazier? I don't think so. In education is there a culture of "acting white" in inner city schools, and a parental disinterest in students education. it's simply not valued, culturally, not genetically. you take that with the teacher union leftists racist position against school vouchers and you have yourself a quandry and you are blaming a whole nother race for it, when you all should be looking elsewhere.
and yup. I've seen it. we do tons of work for inner city youth organizations. But that's my fault I guess, damn muh privlege!!!!
"Acting White" - Education Next : Education Next
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Partsguy57 said:
Lazy plays a huge part in one's financial success no matter the color. It's all about choices, wise choices and lazy is a choice. For example, I know poor people and lazy poor people. You can tell who will always be poor just by the way they live. Look at the lazy poor who live like pigs?? No excuse for that ever!!! You can always pick up the trash, break out the broom, pull the weeds etc.... this kind of example is endless.
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I'm going to write this to all of you because it summarizes my point and I don't feel like making 10 different replies.

An analogy for what's being argued would be like comparing the US and Guatemala. Guatemala has roughly 1/16th the per capita GDP that the US has. Are there some very rich and successful Guatemalans? Absolutely. Are there people in the US of all backgrounds dramatically poorer than some Guatemalans? Also, absolutely. This does not mean that the level of opportunity and net wealth for the average Guatemalan is the same as it is for the average American. The level of poverty is much higher in Guatemala than it is in the US.

Rest assured, hyperventilating white people, nobody is saying white poverty shouldn't be addressed just as well as everyone else's. Our social services aren't based on race, they're based on level of poverty, so refusing to recognize that there is a racial wealth disparity in the first place doesn't really serve any other purpose than making yourself feel good.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Vouchers should cover transferring to any private of public school that has available slots and should cover all costs. The idea that "we cant have vouchers because we need to good kids to keep the money coming in for the ****ty kids" is a poor one. anti-voucher is pro jim crow.
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but that's not how vouchers work. not to mention that extra costs of busing, travel, uniforms and books.. that are incurred by sending to private school...

And your post again shows your bias.. its not "good kids versus ###ty kids".. its wealthy upper middle class kids versus poor and lower middle class kids .

Heck.. I went to public school.. the private school in the area was where the more wealthy but "bad" kids went because they were discipline problems in public school and got kicked out.

In fact.. the smart kids in the area all went to the public school because it was better than the private schools that offered less education but more discipline.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Vouchers should cover transferring to any private of public school that has available slots and should cover all costs. The idea that "we cant have vouchers because we need to good kids to keep the money coming in for the ****ty kids" is a poor one. anti-voucher is pro jim crow.
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State budgeting for K-12, which depends primarily on property taxes, should cover the much higher private school tuitions while simultaneously cutting funding at a greater level than a per student loss to public schools! So not only are you destroying the state public school systems for inferior, more expensive private schools, you are also bankrupting the state budgets!

That is so special, it is dropout level stupidity.
 
jaeger19 said:
Except you fail to recognize that the culture and neighborhood were and are to some extent today created by racism and discrimination. and that has lasting effects.

Whether your parents are college educated is a determiner of your likelihood of going to college and graduating.

So, if your grandfather was denied going to college because of the color of his skin.. his child is less likely to go to college, and his child is less likely to go to college.. so on and so forth.

Something outside the culture has to step up and make that difference.
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You know, huge portions of the Chinese population in California originated as what amounted to slavery building the railroads. They own much of San Francisco these days, and that is true all up and down the coast and north.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
The idea that "we cant have vouchers because we need to good kids to keep the money coming in for the ****ty kids" is a poor one. anti-voucher is pro jim crow.
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jaeger19 said:
And your post again shows your bias.. its not "good kids versus ###ty kids".. its wealthy upper middle class kids versus poor and lower middle class kids .
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Oh no, you've misunderstood, jaeger, that's exactly what he meant. The poor kids to him are the "****ty kids".
 
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