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White privilege

Wealth is not passed down from generation to generation in most cases. Total lie!! Go read the book the millionaire next door you may learn something. The black population is not poor because of lack of opportunity, it's mostly because of one's own poor choices and that includes all races in this country.

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The wife and I were raised poor but now have enough to live in a very nice neighborhood, travel, enjoy life. Will our wealth be passed down? Yes and no....our wealth has enabled us to purchase more opportunities for our progeny, mostly in paying for their education. If they take advantage of it, they have received the better part of what we have to give them. If they don't, oh well....
 
So what does this all mean when the rubber meets the road RA? Is it about white really?
I grew up dirt poor, and I am at over 6 figures now, as a high school dropout. Is this because I am white? No.
It is because I applied myself and worked hard.

Everyone in America has opportunities that the rest of the world salivates over.
If you want to talk about the challenges of blacks in America I can understand that. But don't tell me I have some special advantage because of my skin color.
Honestly, I don't think there is anything that can be done to help blacks other than provide a level playing field and let them exploit their own skills and drive.
Otherwise they are made to feel inferior by the very nature of the affirmative action foolishness. Jesse Owens springs to mind....
Many blacks make it big time, so it can be done.

You have special advantages because of your skin color.

Those advantages are so ubiquitous you can't even see it as an advantage.
 
The wife and I were raised poor but now have enough to live in a very nice neighborhood, travel, enjoy life. Will our wealth be passed down? Yes and no....our wealth has enabled us to purchase more opportunities for our progeny, mostly in paying for their education. If they take advantage of it, they have received the better part of what we have to give them. If they don't, oh well....
It's all based on choice. Wise choices vs poor choices. You can give your kids the world and if they make poor choices??? ......go take a look at the book the millionaire next door.

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You have special advantages because of your skin color.

Those advantages are so ubiquitous you can't even see it as an advantage.
No the problem is you look at it as a color issue and fail to see its a poor " choice" issue.

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Cable said:
To what end, the attention on unfairness?

Seems this should be obvious: unfairness is morally wrong, and it is obligatory on all human beings to fight what is morally wrong. But you cannot fight what you do not see.
 
It's all based on choice. Wise choices vs poor choices. You can give your kids the world and if they make poor choices??? ......go take a look at the book the millionaire next door.

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That's an overly simplistic way of looking at it.

There are poor people that are poor because of bad choices, and there are poor people that are poor due to a wide variety of other reasons.
 
Seems this should be obvious: unfairness is morally wrong, and it is obligatory on all human beings to fight what is morally wrong. But you cannot fight what you do not see.

I will begin tanning myself immediately
 
It's funny that something exists and yet no one can prove that it does. Usually when that happens it means that whatever is being discussed is bull****.
 
Did most people ever ask what people commonly do with passed down wealth? I have a feeling they don't.
 
It's funny that something exists and yet no one can prove that it does. Usually when that happens it means that whatever is being discussed is bull****.

It is BS, but it allows the left to demonize groups they disagree with based on skin color. Hey, just like the kkk back in the day. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...
 
Actually, that does not follow. You're confusing predicate quantifiers. That a did P means that doing P is possible in a broadly logical sense. However, that P is possible in the broadly logical sense, or that a has done P, does not mean that b can do P. (note: a and b are to be read here as names, not particles).

But the operating premise is that poverty represents an almost inescapable obstacle, and that poverty is over-represented in black communities.

If we are going to agree that poverty is the mechanism, then we must agree that the mechanism affects everyone equally. The problem at this point involves the smuggled sociology premise that poverty is worse for blacks, because of additional obstacles thrust upon them because they are black.

Well, which is it? Is poverty a symptom of oppression, or its cause? If it is the cause, then it affects white people equally; if it is merely a symptom, then we should be able to point our finger at some other cause, but when we try to find that other cause, we get the poverty argument again or some overblown sociological mumbo-jumbo about the color of bandaids and the difficulties in segregating oneself voluntarily to your own racial enclave.
 
That's an overly simplistic way of looking at it.

There are poor people that are poor because of bad choices, and there are poor people that are poor due to a wide variety of other reasons.

In all reality, life is full of the opportunity and the influence to make bad choices if you are poor. That's why it's so hard to break out of poverty.
 
That's an overly simplistic way of looking at it.

There are poor people that are poor because of bad choices, and there are poor people that are poor due to a wide variety of other reasons.

No its not, true in most cases ( not all) many refuse to accept the simple truth as do you you. Test for you, make a list of things that keep people poor and you will find that most are the result of poor choices. Think!!! It's really very simple in most cases. You will speak in generalities about what keep people poor when in fact in most cases it's stupid choices period. I'll help you out, drug use, out of birth wedlock, ( very prevalent in the black community!! yea mom with 4 kids by 3 dad's is going to end well) refusing to access the educational opportunities that abound, wasting ones time ( we all have the same 24 hours) spending money on crap that does not create wealth or promote the wise use of time. Tattoos, piercings, foul mouth ( I will not hire those types in my business) the stupid 24 year old kid that buys the 60,000 dollar truck to drive to work in. The list is endless of what people do to themselves with their stupid choices. Most are very simple things that if stopped would in the long turn change ones financial life completely. Think about the stupid single mom that stops at the coffee drive up each morning to buy the 4.00 dollar coffee ( rampant her in the northwest) she digs through her purse past the cigarettes and smart phone with the high data plan looking for change while the coffee person is asking about that new tattoo on her neck........ think! It's all about choices and many that are so simple that add up the huge dividends in the long term.. I'm sick of this privilege crap as I started with nothing!!!!!!!!! And made wise choices with my time and money and am now very successful. I feel very little empathy in some respects for the poor as the vast majority is self inflicted and so many refuse to accept this self evident truth.

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No its not, true in most cases ( not all) many refuse to accept the simple truth as do you you. Test for you, make a list of things that keep people poor and you will find that most are the result of poor choices. Think!!! It's really very simple in most cases. You will speak in generalities about what keep people poor when in fact in most cases it's stupid choices period. I'll help you out, drug use, out of birth wedlock, ( very prevalent in the black community!! yea mom with 4 kids by 3 dad's is going to end well) refusing to access the educational opportunities that abound, wasting ones time ( we all have the same 24 hours) spending money on crap that does not create wealth or promote the wise use of time. Tattoos, piercings, foul mouth ( I will not hire those types in my business) the stupid 24 year old kid that buys the 60,000 dollar truck to drive to work in. The list is endless of what people do to themselves with their stupid choices. Most are very simple things that if stopped would in the long turn change ones financial life completely. Think about the stupid single mom that stops at the coffee drive up each morning to buy the 4.00 dollar coffee ( rampant her in the northwest) she digs through her purse past the cigarettes and smart phone with the high data plan looking for change while the coffee person is asking about that new tattoo on her neck........ think! It's all about choices and many that are so simple that add up the huge dividends in the long term.. I'm sick of this privilege crap as I started with nothing!!!!!!!!! And made wise choices with my time and money and am now very successful. I feel very little empathy in some respects for the poor as the vast majority is self inflicted and so many refuse to accept this self evident truth.

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Yes, many people are poor because of bad choices. The question is WHOSE choices! Their's...or those of some corporate executives on Wall Street who wrecked the world economy by systematically defrauding millions and then trading off the resultant bad debt?
 
Of course, and keeping with your analogy, the walls one has to climb to "escape" poverty are statistically lower for the average white than they are for the average black. Sure, individuals on both sides can and do make it, but because of educational disparity, generational poverty and historical issues, blacks as a whole have to try harder to get the same level of opportunity as whites as a whole. Do you think the "bad schools" problem effects both races equally as bad?

Those walls are statistically lower as an average; the highest walls for whites are just as high as the highest walls for blacks. In most instances, they are the same walls. Statistically speaking, though, you are more likely to be born into those difficult environments if you are black as a percentage of the black population.

Poor blacks and poor whites face the same obstacles, until you start to "unpack the knapsack", which is psychological and not explainable with hard data.
 
Yes, many people are poor because of bad choices. The question is WHOSE choices! Their's...or those of some corporate executives on Wall Street who wrecked the world economy by systematically defrauding millions and then trading off the resultant bad debt?

That is kind of funny. The issue you are describing affected the middle class more than the poor. The rich are usually well insulated from these types of issues, and the poor to some extent because they are rarely invested in anything.
But it is the Communist that makes the huge mistake. Thinking a big government will provide in a better way than big business. Big gov is an evil in itself and offers the poor no solution, except to add to their numbers.
 
Yes, many people are poor because of bad choices. The question is WHOSE choices! Their's...or those of some corporate executives on Wall Street who wrecked the world economy by systematically defrauding millions and then trading off the resultant bad debt?
Really??? I suppose that means there were no poor before 2007/ 2008? There is always opportunity!!! And those that point fingers at other things keeping them down is another example of a poor choice. Wise up. Your financial success will be the result of what you do!!! ( there can be huge setbacks at times as some were affected very negatively with the 2007/2008 thing) if you are personally unhappy with your financial situation and are wasting your time here typing here that is also a example of a poor choice. You could use your time far more wisely.

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[qutoe=Gonzo Rodeo]But the operating premise is that poverty represents an almost inescapable obstacle, and that poverty is over-represented in black communities.[/quote]

OK, sure, I'll agree to this.

Gonzo Rodeo said:
If we are going to agree that poverty is the mechanism, then we must agree that the mechanism affects everyone equally.

Seems obviously false--I'm not sure why anyone would believe this. Poverty is clearly worse for some people than for others.

Gonzo Rodeo said:
The problem at this point involves the smuggled sociology premise that poverty is worse for blacks, because of additional obstacles thrust upon them because they are black.

The sociological premise seems almost obviously correct.

Gonzo Rodeo said:
Well, which is it? Is poverty a symptom of oppression, or its cause?

Why can it not be both? We know of all kinds of processes where an effect exacerbates a cause, leading to worse effects, which lead to even more of the cause, and so on. It's called a feedback loop.

Gonzo Rodeo said:
If it is the cause, then it affects white people equally

No--I see no reason to believe that. That's like saying that disease should affect all people equally, and thus someone who has cancer should be just as productive as someone who has a cold. Absurd.
 
Henrin said:
It's funny that something exists and yet no one can prove that it does. Usually when that happens it means that whatever is being discussed is bull****.

White privilege has been proved a number of times. I'm not sure why you think otherwise. See, e.g.:

Employers' Replies to Racial Names
 
This thread really isn't about the obstacles or how to overcome them. It's about whether demonizing another group for the color of their skin is the appropriate response.
It is the same method used to demonize blacks in the first place. Maybe it makes some twisted folks feel better about themselves, but it is no solution.
 
Really??? I suppose that means there were no poor before 2007/ 2008?

I was just using the recession as an example of how poverty is made.

There is always opportunity!!!

For example, there is statistically as much of it in today's Western world as their was under the old feudal caste systems. :roll:
 
I was just using the recession as an example of how poverty is made.



For example, there is statistically as much of it in today's Western world as their was under the old feudal caste systems. :roll:
Poverty made and leaving poverty are two separate issues. Combining the two and using poverty as the excuse for not excelling will leave you in poverty.

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