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White privilege

What a load of crap. It has to do with recognizing historical facts and their effects on people. IF for generations you are denied access to good education, to the same financial services, to jobs, etc.. that has an effect on following generations. Its just that simple.

You need to get over your superior attitude that only YOU are responsible for your success.. and understand that the fact that your parents could afford to send you to private school, and that your Dad knew the banker that helped you out.. definitely had a positive effect on your success.

If you are growing up today, or hell even the 90s, and you went through high school, took it seriously, went to college in a decent field(STEM), then you should have no problem being successful. The problem is there are cultural differences and school is seen in a much different light in the inner city community in general. With the rates of single family households and incarceration numbers of black people in the United States, it is no wonder that they are statistically less well off. But it has nothing to do with not being given an opportunity. There are millions of kids that grew up dirt poor in these places that are now at Harvard, Yale, MIT because they applied themselves.

The problem with your position is that you act like all white people that are in America are decedents of slave owners. My family came over from Ireland and Poland and were discriminated against horrendously. They were escaping even worse torment in Europe. After WWII my grandfather went through school on the GI Bill and was able to open up his own business. He was given an opportunity not because he was white, but because he served in WWII, while many of others at the time came back in body bags. When he was alive, he still would never talk about what he saw there. He raised my dad and his 4 siblings up well. Three PhD's on one side of the family due to the sacrifice my grandfather made and the hard work of my father and his brothers. My parents lived in horrible places while my dad was working on his masters and PhD. Multiple shootings near their apartment all the time. All through this, my mom was working multiple jobs to make sure they could pay rent and eat.

Compare this to current day. Where even asking the parents to stay together is hard enough. Where school is considered a "white" or "gay" thing. Where the only war they face is shootings over drug deals. Working multiple jobs to take care of your family? Rare. Having a single job? Rare.

Sure, I was privileged growing up. My parents were together and still are. My father worked his ass off in his 20's to give our family a good life. He stayed out of trouble, when others from his hometown didn't. I can count on one hand the number of times he blew off his job. They taught me and my brother that we needed to work for what we wanted. Blaming other people wasn't gonna get us anywhere but flipping burgers at Mcdonalds. Me and my brother are continuing the tradition of hard work and getting educated in fields that matter.

This is why people get tired when you say that we were privileged because of our skin color. My great grandfather worked on the docks in NYC. Had barely a high school education. But he worked all his life. My grandfather served in WWII and was given an opportunity that millions others received as well. My father was given opportunities as well. Not because they were white. But because they took what they were given in life, and they worked hard and accomplished what they could. There are millions of black people that can reach incredibly high levels. When you tell white people they got to where they were because of privilege you're also telling black people that they won't get where they want, because it isn't fair. When you attempt to make them a permanent victim you take away their drive in life. There are millions of opportunities these days. All you need is the determination to achieve it.
 
Why is it apples and squares? According to the naysayers here.. it doesn't matter the advantages you have as a youth.. it doesn;t matter your historical background... just your ability. :roll:

Because Paris Hilton doesn't represent the average white person.
 
What a load of crap. It has to do with recognizing historical facts and their effects on people. IF for generations you are denied access to good education, to the same financial services, to jobs, etc.. that has an effect on following generations. Its just that simple.

You need to get over your superior attitude that only YOU are responsible for your success.. and understand that the fact that your parents could afford to send you to private school, and that your Dad knew the banker that helped you out.. definitely had a positive effect on your success.
Well bud.. you just keep bending over and licking the boot of government and looking to them for help you will be sorely disappointed.... success is nearly always based on the individual period. You have no understanding of this as you admitt to allowing your kids to deal with crap and you have the means to fix this. ( you claim you are rich) Every one has their own mountain to climb and yet you think the "poor" black is the only one that has a mountain to climb. The problem is you and most of the poor and the black community in particular need to get off their ass and pull their big boy pants on and go to work changing their own lives. I can promise you nothing will ever change until this happens. I have zero respect for you as you have the means to protect your kids and you refuse to. You are a glaring example of why handouts and "help" are a total failure. You refuse to "help" yourself where your kids are concerned and yet you expect the black poor to thrive if only they have " help",and everyone ringing their hands acknowledging how evil the white man is, etc etc. Yep the blacks in this country got the short stick, you think you are the only ones? Suck it up buttercup and take control of your own life. Cheers

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What is the relevance of this? I don't know of a single employer who asks whether an applicant is from a single-mother household. This should have no bearing on the data about callback rates of white-sounding vs. black-sounding names.



The IQ Gap is No Longer a Black and White Issue - The Unz Review

You're obviously not familiar with the complexities in the data. The above link should help you with that. In the meantime, I don't see the relevance. In the study in question, black-sounding names were assigned to high-quality resumes. That a person comes from a group with an average IQ isn't relevant to deciding whether that individual is intelligent--if the person sitting before you graduated Cum Laude from Stanford, you can guess they are probably pretty intelligent, whether they are white or black.



Again, what is the relevance?



So what? The present argument is over whether the problem exists. I think the first step toward a solution would be for everyone to be aware of the effect and do what they can in everyday life to compensate for it. But until the first question (i.e. does white privilege exist) is resolved, there won't be a solution.



Speaking of reasonable or rational arguments, how does your conclusion follow from the premise? Give us a reasonable/rational argument.

So in other words you provide no argument whatsoever and just want white people to "acknowledge" white privilege. No solution after that, just acknowledge it exists and we'll go with that.

If you don't understand how low-IQ averages or single mother households or welfare consumption might effect the black community (and the views others have on it) I truly can't change your view.

But lets go with this whole name thing you keep ranting on about. The reason that a equal college degree from a white and a black might not be valued is exactly because of this attempt at reparations our retarded government is doing. The employer (who is taking a massive risk whenever they hire anyone, as you may or may not know) has no idea whether this black has a degree by virtue of the fact the black is actually very intelligent and hard working, or if he received help from the government in the form of affirmative action or any other racially based scholarships or assistance.

I'm not going to answer your last question because you made no attempt to answer mine, so I'll ask again. Assuming all is true and whites have an unconscious discriminatory attitude towards blacks and whites accept this... what's next?
 
The study is horrendously flawed. It gives extraordinary low data in regards to how the study was completed. Unless you want to send me the full data in regards to the study, I would ask you to find a better example of real information.

Translation: "I don't like the results of this study.. and though I can't refute it in any way.. I don't believe it."
 
Because Paris Hilton doesn't represent the average white person.

Why? According to the naysayers here.. Paris Hilton is where she is and as rich as she is because of her good choices and her abilities.
 
You're missing the point. This isn't a micro thing, it's a macro thing. Any given white person could easily be far poorer or have less social mobility than any given black person. However, after 200+ years of whites as a whole absorbing wealth and repressing blacks as a whole, the per capita wealth of blacks is dramatically less than it is for whites.

This isn't any individual's fault, just a historic reality. Wealth is passed down along the generations and blacks have had less wealth to pass down. Regardless of your race, having dirt poor or uneducated parents will echo down through multiple generations. Couple that with the fact that schools in black neighborhoods are statistically underfunded compared to white neighborhoods, there absolutely is an effect. When you take everything into account blacks as a whole have less wealth and opportunity than whites as a whole.



By the way that you would actually say something this ridiculously stupid shows you've never opened a history book in your life. This, what you're experiencing as a white person right now, is the worst and most extreme case of racism mankind has ever seen?

You know how you get wealth? It's called work. Sitting around waiting for your check, is not work.

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Trump was the only candidate who said he was going to help inner cities; and I'll bet you didn't vote for him. Says a lot about how much you care.
 
Well bud.. you just keep bending over and licking the boot of government and looking to them for help you will be sorely disappointed.... success is nearly always based on the individual period. You have no understanding of this as you admitt to allowing your kids to deal with crap and you have the means to fix this. ( you claim you are rich) Every one has their own mountain to climb and yet you think the "poor" black is the only one that has a mountain to climb. The problem is you and most of the poor and the black community in particular need to get off their ass and pull their big boy pants on and go to work changing their own lives. I can promise you nothing will ever change until this happens. I have zero respect for you as you have the means to protect your kids and you refuse to. You are a glaring example of why handouts and "help" are a total failure. You refuse to "help" yourself where your kids are concerned and yet you expect the black poor to thrive if only they have " help",and everyone ringing their hands acknowledging how evil the white man is, etc etc. Yep the blacks in this country got the short stick, you think you are the only ones? Suck it up buttercup and take control of your own life. Cheers

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Yeah.. nice try. I like the personal taunts. shows that you have NO idea what you are talking about and your whole premise is BS.

too funny "bending over licking the government boot"..

As if recognizing that being born to a daddy that can get you in private school and has connections at the bank are examples of independence...

Success depends on many factors.. ability being one.. but the circumstances of your birth, culture, your parents etc all also have a large effect particularly when there is racism and discrimination present.

I have zero respect for you.. because rather than confront the problems my sons have in school.. your solution is to turn tail and have them run to Daddy to protect them. Neither my sons.. nor black people need the help you think they need.. which is ignorance of the problem. The only help they need is people to stand up for whats right.. to have the courage to admit that its not a level playing field.. and what should matters is your work ethic, and your smarts.. and not the color of your skin.. or whether your dad is friendly with the bankers.
 
And you want to attribute it to race / skin color vs the terribly high dropout rate or single parent family in the black community. Shame on you.
When your engine blows, do you change your wiper blades?

It's a bit fascinating that liberals focus on the "beyond your control" excuses and ignore the items that are well within the control of the individual.
Table A-17. Employment status of the civilian noninstitutional population 25 years and over by educational attainment, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity
Unemployment rate, age 25+ Bachelors Degree or higher
White 2.3%
Black 3.7%
Asian 2.7%
Hispanic 3.2%

Unemployment rate age 25+, High school diploma, no college
White: 5.5%
Black: 8.6%
Asian: 4.2%
Hispanic6.1%

age 25+, no high school diploma
White: 8.2%
Black: 16.5%
Asian: 5.5%
Hispanic: 8.1%

Adjusting for education, there certainly seems to be a racial/cultural aspect. I'm not sure how you think single parents are a direct effect.
 
If you are growing up today, or hell even the 90s, and you went through high school, took it seriously, went to college in a decent field(STEM), then you should have no problem being successful.

And there are millions of kids that grow up poor and stay poor despite applying themselves because there are obstacles in the way for them. Like racism. Study after study shows that. that's the facts.

The problem with your position is that you act like all white people that are in America are decedents of slave owners.

No.. that's your strawman.. I would defy you were anything I said, could be taken that "all white people are decedents of slave owners"

That's just BS of your own making.,

He was given an opportunity not because he was white, but because he served in WWII, while many of others at the time came back in body bags

A little edification is in order here:

By 1945, more than 1.2 million black men were in uniform. Even as the United States proclaimed itself the world’s greatest democracy, it was fighting the racism of Hitler’s Germany with an army that remained racially segregated through the end of the war. Black troops initially were barred from frontline combat and assigned to service duties, cleaning white officers’ rooms and latrines as orderlies and janitors.110 But as casualties mounted, the army sent African American troops into combat out of necessity.

No matter the sacrifices of black servicemen, Jim Crow remained the law of the land at home and in the service. Black military policemen stationed in the South could not enter restaurants where their German prisoners of war were allowed to eat. Private Bert Babero wrote that he was required “to observe a sign in the latrine, actually segregating a section of the latrine for Negro soldiers, the other being used by the German prisoners and the white soldiers.” He recalled, “t made me feel here, the tyrant, is actually placed over the liberator.”111

Racial discrimination extended to veterans’ benefits as well. Black soldiers were denied access to programs like the G.I. Bill of Rights, which was designed to reward military service and assist veterans with housing, education, and employment.

Forseeable flaws in the administration of the G.I. Bill led to a middle class that was overwhelmingly white. Like other New Deal legislation, the G.I. Bill “was deliberately designed to accommodate Jim Crow;”114 indeed, racist administration of veterans’ programs was presumed. Senator John Ranklin of Mississippi chaired the Committee on World War Legislation, and supporters of the bill, including the Veterans Administration, knew it would not pass without Southern support. Though the bill contains no language mandating racial segregation or excluding African Americans, it was crafted to strictly limit federal oversight. Because the bill gave all administrative responsibility to the states, with little congressional supervision, state authorities had virtually unchecked power to discriminate against black veterans.115

Racial discrimination pervaded veterans’ programs, but the effects were particularly acute in the provision of home loans. Title III of the G.I. Bill made veterans eligible for low-interest home loans with no down payment. Very few black veterans benefitted from Title III because, while the loans were guaranteed by the VA, they required cooperation from local banks. This meant that veterans first had to convince local banks to lend to them — which proved a daunting task for black veterans because the overwhelming majority of banks routinely denied loans to black applicants.116

A survey of 13 Mississippi cities found that African Americans received only 2 of the 3229 home, business, and farm loans administered by the VA in 1947. The Pittsburgh Courier charged that “the veterans’ program had completely failed veterans of minority races.”117


Lynching in America: Targeting Black Veterans | Equal Justice Initiative

You were saying about what your grandpa faced?

ajn said:
This is why people get tired when you say that we were privileged because of our skin color. My great grandfather worked on the docks in NYC. Had barely a high school education. But he worked all his life. My grandfather served in WWII and was given an opportunity that millions others received as well

You mean millions of white fellows. Black servicemen in the south had a slightly different experience.

These are the facts of history.
 
Why? According to the naysayers here.. Paris Hilton is where she is and as rich as she is because of her good choices and her abilities.

No one is saying this. You are making up bull****. Which is not surprising based on the things you have been saying.
 
Yeah.. nice try. I like the personal taunts. shows that you have NO idea what you are talking about and your whole premise is BS.

too funny "bending over licking the government boot"..

As if recognizing that being born to a daddy that can get you in private school and has connections at the bank are examples of independence...

Success depends on many factors.. ability being one.. but the circumstances of your birth, culture, your parents etc all also have a large effect particularly when there is racism and discrimination present.

I have zero respect for you.. because rather than confront the problems my sons have in school.. your solution is to turn tail and have them run to Daddy to protect them. Neither my sons.. nor black people need the help you think they need.. which is ignorance of the problem. The only help they need is people to stand up for whats right.. to have the courage to admit that its not a level playing field.. and what should matters is your work ethic, and your smarts.. and not the color of your skin.. or whether your dad is friendly with the bankers.
You can talk out your behind all you want.. lol you can go look at any successful person and the common thread is always relying on one's self period. The facts are in as history is full of such examples. As I said continue to bend over and lick at the boot of government for your " help" and you will continue to be sorely disappointed.. ( look at the figures since the great War on poverty was started in the sixties) You can continue to push the old worn out narrative and wallow with all the rest of the " poor" or you can wise up and say , I live in the greatest country the world has ever seen, the country that has given more opportunities to more people then any other place on earth ( free market system that the left is trying to destroy,where one has to rely on one's self for a free market to work) and look to one's self and get off your butt and make a good life for one's self. Wallow in self misery because life isn't fair will get you nowhere. ( self evident look around) Good luck bud you will be a miserable self loathing person as long as you rely on others for your substance and relying on government for "help" is exactly that. Keep on voting for those that " help"!!! It's worked out well hasn't it?? Lol lol lol !!!

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What a load of crap. seriously..

So.. if your grandparents were emancipated slaves.. and your parents were under segregation and were not allowed to go to white schools or access to college.. in your mind.. that person has the same chance of being successful as

Paris Hilton born into the Hilton family.

Sir you are flat out nuts.

Do you need me to burn down your straw man?
 
No one is saying this. You are making up bull****. Which is not surprising based on the things you have been saying.

Care to apologize?

Partsguy said:
How successful you are always ultimately depends on you no matter what advantages or disadvantages you may have.

Somehow I doubt that you have the integrity to do so.
 
Care to apologize?



Somehow I doubt that you have the integrity to do so.

Who is measuring success at Paris Hilton levels? Oh, that's right, no one. I highly doubt anyone on this forum is as "successful" in regards to the amount of money that she inherited, yet there are tons of people on here that were and are very successful.
 
Do you need me to burn down your straw man?

Dude.. I think you are too busy building your own strawmen to worry about anyone elses:

cable said:
The only thing blacks are slave to these days is the liberal party that keeps them in need. They need a victim class to win votes from.
 
Who is measuring success at Paris Hilton levels? Oh, that's right, no one. I highly doubt anyone on this forum is as "successful" in regards to the amount of money that she inherited, yet there are tons of people on here that were and are very successful.

Like I said.. you don't have the integrity to apologize.
 
Dude.. I think you are too busy building your own strawmen to worry about anyone elses:

I noticed nobody addressed the real issues that hurt black employment. You all just want white folks to feel guilty for being white. Maybe you could all get lives?
 
Like I said.. you don't have the integrity to apologize.

Seems that you don't have the ability to debate if your go to proof of white privilege is Paris Hilton. :lamo:lamo
 
You can talk out your behind all you want.. lol you can go look at any successful person and the common thread is always relying on one's self period. The facts are in as history is full of such examples. As I said continue to bend over and lick at the boot of government for your " help" and you will continue to be sorely disappointed.. ( look at the figures since the great War on poverty was started in the sixties) You can continue to push the old worn out narrative and wallow with all the rest of the " poor" or you can wise up and say , I live in the greatest country the world has ever seen, the country that has given more opportunities to more people then any other place on earth ( free market system that the left is trying to destroy,where one has to rely on one's self for a free market to work) and look to one's self and get off your butt and make a good life for one's self. Wallow in self misery because life isn't fair will get you nowhere. ( self evident look around) Good luck bud you will be a miserable self loathing person as long as you rely on others for your substance and relying on government for "help" is exactly that. Keep on voting for those that " help"!!! It's worked out well hasn't it?? Lol lol lol !!!

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Nice little rant there.

Of course none of it applies to me there bud. But whatever makes you feel better about having your position blown out of the water.

By the way.. we don't have a truly free market. We have a regulated market and that's why someone who starts poor like me.. can become a 1% er. Because without things like patent protection. or courts to enforce contracts, or prohibitions on unfair competition.. those already wealthy.. would stamp out opportunity for everyone else. With a regulated market.. my abilities matter more than who my parents were.

But you can wallow in your delusions.
 
Seems that you don't have the ability to debate if your go to proof of white privilege is Paris Hilton. :lamo:lamo

Seems to me that you don't have the ability to debate if you cannot refute anything I have said at all.
 
I noticed nobody addressed the real issues that hurt black employment. You all just want white folks to feel guilty for being white. Maybe you could all get lives?

Oh you mean the multiple studies showing that simply having a black sounding name affected your employment. that multiple posters linked to. ;)

I think what you mean to say that nobody addressed the reasons YOU THINK hurts black employment.. rather than the actual studies that show what things hurt black employment.. like racial bias against a black sounding name.
 
Oh you mean the multiple studies showing that simply having a black sounding name affected your employment. that multiple posters linked to. ;)

I think what you mean to say that nobody addressed the reasons YOU THINK hurts black employment.. rather than the actual studies that show what things hurt black employment.. like racial bias against a black sounding name.

So you firmly believe there have been no studies showing whether dropping out of school or growing up in single parent homes put you at a disadvantage? Really?
 
Seems to me that you don't have the ability to debate if you cannot refute anything I have said at all.

You have no arguments other than "Paris Hilton is rich, therefore, white privilege".
 
So you firmly believe there have been no studies showing whether dropping out of school or growing up in single parent homes put you at a disadvantage? Really?

Oh no.. I understand there are such studies.. JUST AS THERE ARE STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT HAVING A BLACK SOUNDING NAME DISADVANTAGES YOU.

Hey.. maybe we should look at that drop out thing:

The new data, out Tuesday from the U.S. Department of Education and required by Congress, show that African-American K-12 students are 3.8 times as likely to receive one or more out-of-school suspensions as white students. While 6% of all students received one or more out-of-school suspensions in the 2013-2014 school year, the percentage was 18% for African-American boys and 10% for African-American girls.

By contrast, among white students, only 5% of boys and 2% of girls were suspended at least once, according to the data, released biannually by the department's Office of Civil Rights.

The findings come less than a week after researchers with the Civil Rights Project at the University of California, Los Angeles, released a study suggesting that suspensions in 10th grade alone probably result in more than 67,000 high school dropouts.
 
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