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Trump is NOT the Anti-Christ!

Captain Adverse said:
Donald Trump is not a politician, he is a Populist. That is truly his only fault (if it can be called that) as an elected official.

Populism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

The "mistakes" he has been making are based on his viewpoint that direct, honest, open action on issues people are concerned about is preferable to back-door politicking designed to be all things to all men...with a hefty profit for the powerful special interests government is used to coddling.

President Obama learned this lesson during his first term as President when he found that even powerful representatives of his own Party in both Houses of Congress would not support real action on Universal Healthcare without insuring that Big Pharma, The AMA, and Big Insurance were involved and completely protected to insure large profits at our expense.

Like any common citizen (as all of us should admit if we are truly open about our own communication skills) he speaks up on issue based on personal knowledge which is often faulty. Something we refuse to tolerate in our elected officials, which is why they have learned to speak so neutrally and with bland, highly vetted canned speeches designed to offend as few people as possible.

Like any political novice, he is making mistakes. As a Populist, he is speaking his mind openly (on Twitter, etc.) in a direct appeal to his base in hoping to mobilize support in opposition to establishment-controlled media propaganda.

Why do I bring this up here? Because I am annoyed by the members who seem to feel that Mr. Trump is literally Satan Incarnate, leading us into the Apocalypse. They tend to demonize him with labeling (racist, sexist, etc.) and look at everything he does, and I mean everything in the very worst light possible. They attack, attack, attack because like good little drones they know if you repeat something often enough people will begin to believe it...

 Joseph Goebbels.

Well I may not agree with everything Mr. Trump is doing or attempting to do, but I don't view him as a demon. I prefer to view each act on it's own merit, recognizing that he is a novice sincere in his drive to shake up Washington. That the power elites are mobilizing every tool in their arsenal to undermine his efforts. I just wish more of the drones among our general population would wake up...stop reacting and start thinking. Give him the same chance you would ask for yourselves in such a situation.
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In essence you are saying, "Let the rapist stick it in just a little bit until it hurts."
 
Captain Adverse said:
I am annoyed by the members who seem to feel that Mr. Trump is literally Satan Incarnate
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Nobody here believes he is Satan. We believe he is more like Hitler or Mussolini. He is the textbook definition of a Fascist.

Captain Adverse said:
[/B], leading us into the Apocalypse. They tend to demonize him with labeling (racist, sexist, etc.) and look at everything he does, and I mean everything in the very worst light possible. They attack, attack, attack because like good little drones they know if you repeat something often enough people will begin to believe it...

 Joseph Goebbels.
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What is sad is that this is exactly what Trump is doing to convince people like you he's a worthy leader. Repeating lies over and over and over and over again, until you start to think maybe they make sense.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Donald Trump is not a politician, he is a Populist. That is truly his only fault (if it can be called that) as an elected official.

Populism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

The "mistakes" he has been making are based on his viewpoint that direct, honest, open action on issues people are concerned about is preferable to back-door politicking designed to be all things to all men...with a hefty profit for the powerful special interests government is used to coddling.

President Obama learned this lesson during his first term as President when he found that even powerful representatives of his own Party in both Houses of Congress would not support real action on Universal Healthcare without insuring that Big Pharma, The AMA, and Big Insurance were involved and completely protected to insure large profits at our expense.

Like any common citizen (as all of us should admit if we are truly open about our own communication skills) he speaks up on issue based on personal knowledge which is often faulty. Something we refuse to tolerate in our elected officials, which is why they have learned to speak so neutrally and with bland, highly vetted canned speeches designed to offend as few people as possible.

Like any political novice, he is making mistakes. As a Populist, he is speaking his mind openly (on Twitter, etc.) in a direct appeal to his base in hoping to mobilize support in opposition to establishment-controlled media propaganda.

Why do I bring this up here? Because I am annoyed by the members who seem to feel that Mr. Trump is literally Satan Incarnate, leading us into the Apocalypse. They tend to demonize him with labeling (racist, sexist, etc.) and look at everything he does, and I mean everything in the very worst light possible. They attack, attack, attack because like good little drones they know if you repeat something often enough people will begin to believe it...

 Joseph Goebbels.

Well I may not agree with everything Mr. Trump is doing or attempting to do, but I don't view him as a demon. I prefer to view each act on it's own merit, recognizing that he is a novice sincere in his drive to shake up Washington. That the power elites are mobilizing every tool in their arsenal to undermine his efforts. I just wish more of the drones among our general population would wake up...stop reacting and start thinking. Give him the same chance you would ask for yourselves in such a situation.
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Well said, and I largely agree with what you wrote.

I'm also looking at his actions, appointments, and the folks he's got in his inner circle. I see Trump as someone WAYYYYY over his head, surrounding himself with billionaire corporatists and (worse) hard-core Christian evangelical types who want to twist our laws until we are the "Christian Nation" they believe we should be.

If Trump had surrounded himself with other populists or simply people that looked to be able to relate to the little guy, checked his business interests at the door, and pursued a populist agenda I would be fine with that. An example of how Trump's cabinet is the antithesis of that is Puzder as head of the Dept. of Labor. Really???
 
Until these things come to pass, not the AC.

The Antichrist is definitely not to be taken lightly. He will head up a new one world government that holds captive the entire world. This headship is the same ruling position that Satan offered to Jesus when he tempted him (Lk 4:5-7). For the last the last 3½ years of this age, God will allow Satan to take full authority over all nations and give it to the Antichrist (Rev 13:7, 2).

His rule begins with him hunting down every person, not just believers (Rev 12:13). He will torture everyone into taking the Mark of the Beast without which they will not be able to buy what they need (Rev 9:1-12=Rev 13:16-18). He will also go to war with the nations that resist his rule. More than one third of the world population will be killed in the war with Asia that results (Dan 8:24=Dan 11:44=Rev 9:13-21). Given this total control and subjugation, his iron rule will bring a form of peace and prosperity. Jesus and Paul predicted this deceptive "peace and safety" would be in place right before great destruction from God comes and brings the end of the Antichrist' reign (Mt 24:38-39; 1The 5:3).
 
humbolt said:
Yeah? Well, if you defend the Trump, you is a anti-Christ too. Because. Rotten people do rotten things. I don't know which comes first because I don't hafta. I went to college. Trump's had enuf time. Time to impeach before he ruins all the peaches cause he's rotten. Does enuf need two "f's"? You wanna give Trump four weeks? Really?
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That's right. That's right. You want to wait until it gets even worse than this?
Impeachment now!
Last week Schumer cried and yesterday he was sick to his stomach over Sessions ... that's on YOU bucko.
And now? What ... you want to wait until he gets a headache? Is that right?
Well I say we can't wait any longer.
We can wait for Somali terrorists but if you read between the lines you see that the 9th Circuit ruled impeachment can't come soon enough.
 
MrWonka said:
Nobody here believes he is Satan. We believe he is more like Hitler or Mussolini. He is the textbook definition of a Fascist.



What is sad is that this is exactly what Trump is doing to convince people like you he's a worthy leader. Repeating lies over and over and over and over again, until you start to think maybe they make sense.
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At the current time, more like a Mussolini. So far, he hasn't suggested the 'final option'. The path to power and control might follow the text book Nazi playbook, but that is merely control and power, not the holocaust. It is the beginning of the steps for an authoritarian government. It is not killing massive people just because of their ethnic origin or religious beliefs (although using it for 'fear' is something else.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Donald Trump is not a politician, he is a Populist. That is truly his only fault (if it can be called that) as an elected official.

Populism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

The "mistakes" he has been making are based on his viewpoint that direct, honest, open action on issues people are concerned about is preferable to back-door politicking designed to be all things to all men...with a hefty profit for the powerful special interests government is used to coddling.

President Obama learned this lesson during his first term as President when he found that even powerful representatives of his own Party in both Houses of Congress would not support real action on Universal Healthcare without insuring that Big Pharma, The AMA, and Big Insurance were involved and completely protected to insure large profits at our expense.

Like any common citizen (as all of us should admit if we are truly open about our own communication skills) he speaks up on issue based on personal knowledge which is often faulty. Something we refuse to tolerate in our elected officials, which is why they have learned to speak so neutrally and with bland, highly vetted canned speeches designed to offend as few people as possible.

Like any political novice, he is making mistakes. As a Populist, he is speaking his mind openly (on Twitter, etc.) in a direct appeal to his base in hoping to mobilize support in opposition to establishment-controlled media propaganda.

Why do I bring this up here? Because I am annoyed by the members who seem to feel that Mr. Trump is literally Satan Incarnate, leading us into the Apocalypse. They tend to demonize him with labeling (racist, sexist, etc.) and look at everything he does, and I mean everything in the very worst light possible. They attack, attack, attack because like good little drones they know if you repeat something often enough people will begin to believe it...

 Joseph Goebbels.

Well I may not agree with everything Mr. Trump is doing or attempting to do, but I don't view him as a demon. I prefer to view each act on it's own merit, recognizing that he is a novice sincere in his drive to shake up Washington. That the power elites are mobilizing every tool in their arsenal to undermine his efforts. I just wish more of the drones among our general population would wake up...stop reacting and start thinking. Give him the same chance you would ask for yourselves in such a situation.
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Trump may be classified as a populist, but his support is all Republican with 89% approval or favorable rating among them. Independents or the non-affiliated so far hasn't bought into him giving Trump a 43% approval/favorable rating with 53% unfavorable or disapproval. One also would expect moderates or those in the middle between what I view as the two parties extremes, left and right would be supporting him if he was a populist. They are not, 36% of moderates or those supposedly the little man, the common man, the unelite, whatever support Trump while 57% do not. They view him in a negative manner.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2017/PPP_Release_National_21017.pdf

Perhaps Trump is a populist only to his hard core supporters? A name dreamed up to placate the true/real conservatives of the Republican Party. I would assume a populist would have the support of the common man, not that the common man, the middle class, middle America would be more oppose to him than for. Of course one knows what they say about assumptions.
 
ocean515 said:
Anyone who has worked on business deals with a New York City Native would immediately understand President Trumps style.

Why some people are ignoring the legendary New York City attitude that most agree exists, is revealing.
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I have worked with several native New Yorkers over the years and none of them acted like Trump.
 
haymarket said:
Trump is not the antichrist.

Trump is a deeply mentally disturbed person who represents the greatest single threat to America, our governmental institutions and the American people than any US President to ever take the office.

He does not have to be the devil.
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You've become so predictable in your hyperbole, that it's become boring. You need a new schtick.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I have worked with several native New Yorkers over the years and none of them acted like Trump.
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In 30+ years of experience doing significant business with Companies headquartered in NYC, there is a distinct difference between a native New Yorker, and a native NYC New Yorker. Maybe you didn't meet enough of them.
 
Sooooo, Trump is not a strawman? Glad we got that straight.
 
ocean515 said:
In 30+ years of experience doing significant business with Companies headquartered in NYC, there is a distinct difference between a native New Yorker, and a native NYC New Yorker. Maybe you didn't meet enough of them.
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I know plenty of them, and the ones I know are not compulsively lying petulant narcissists.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Donald Trump is not a politician, he is a Populist. That is truly his only fault (if it can be called that) as an elected official.

Populism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

The "mistakes" he has been making are based on his viewpoint that direct, honest, open action on issues people are concerned about is preferable to back-door politicking designed to be all things to all men...with a hefty profit for the powerful special interests government is used to coddling.

President Obama learned this lesson during his first term as President when he found that even powerful representatives of his own Party in both Houses of Congress would not support real action on Universal Healthcare without insuring that Big Pharma, The AMA, and Big Insurance were involved and completely protected to insure large profits at our expense.

Like any common citizen (as all of us should admit if we are truly open about our own communication skills) he speaks up on issue based on personal knowledge which is often faulty. Something we refuse to tolerate in our elected officials, which is why they have learned to speak so neutrally and with bland, highly vetted canned speeches designed to offend as few people as possible.

Like any political novice, he is making mistakes. As a Populist, he is speaking his mind openly (on Twitter, etc.) in a direct appeal to his base in hoping to mobilize support in opposition to establishment-controlled media propaganda.

Why do I bring this up here? Because I am annoyed by the members who seem to feel that Mr. Trump is literally Satan Incarnate, leading us into the Apocalypse. They tend to demonize him with labeling (racist, sexist, etc.) and look at everything he does, and I mean everything in the very worst light possible. They attack, attack, attack because like good little drones they know if you repeat something often enough people will begin to believe it...

 Joseph Goebbels.

Well I may not agree with everything Mr. Trump is doing or attempting to do, but I don't view him as a demon. I prefer to view each act on it's own merit, recognizing that he is a novice sincere in his drive to shake up Washington. That the power elites are mobilizing every tool in their arsenal to undermine his efforts. I just wish more of the drones among our general population would wake up...stop reacting and start thinking. Give him the same chance you would ask for yourselves in such a situation.
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No, he's not the AntiChrist. He's not a Muslim terrorist, nor a Reptilian.

and neither was his predecessor, despite opinions to the contrary.

He is a populist, yes. He's also a serial liar, adept at getting his core supporters to believe anything he says, however outrageous or easily debunked it may be. The hold he has on a large percentage of the people of this country is amazing and frightening.
 
bubbabgone said:
Remember after the election there was a lot of discussion about how the Democrat Party could come back? What was their strategy going to be? What will be the tactics?
I'm not sure how successful it will turn out to be and I'm sure I'm not the first to recognize it but ... we're looking at it.
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After the 2008 election the GOP needed fresh ideas and faces and found them. The Dems need to do the same now--begin looking at Tim Ryan and others.
 
I'm atheist and i've even i'm not convinced that he's not the antichrist
 
nota bene said:
After the 2008 election the GOP needed fresh ideas and faces and found them. The Dems need to do the same now--begin looking at Tim Ryan and others.
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Well I think they're going in a different direction ... it's a direction they know best and where they have certain very helpful constituencies.
 
Donald J Trump is not the Antichrist. It is his son in law Jared Kushner who is the ANTICHRIST of 2017 for the End of the World

 
bubbabgone said:
Well I think they're going in a different direction ... it's a direction they know best and where they have certain very helpful constituencies.
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Different as in the same old/same old? Same old dog/same old trick?
 
PoS said:
I think we need to face the fact that we're all anti-christs.
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You, quite properly speak for yourself. Do not presume to speak for all of us. I am not anti-Christ, just anti-Christian.
 
nota bene said:
Different as in the same old/same old? Same old dog/same old trick?
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Yes ... same old same old.
Slash and burn.
Character assassination, intimidation, media co-ordination ... Podesta's emails didn't expose an aberration.
The difference now is that it's much more intense, better funded, reliably violent, and wears black ski masks.
 
bubbabgone said:
Yes ... same old same old.
Slash and burn.
Character assassination, intimidation, media co-ordination ... Podesta's emails didn't expose an aberration.
The difference now is that it's much more intense, better funded, reliably violent, and wears black ski masks.
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I think the world is going mad.
 
haymarket said:
Trump is not the antichrist.

Trump is a deeply mentally disturbed person who represents the greatest single threat to America, our governmental institutions and the American people than any US President to ever take the office.

He does not have to be the devil.
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Though I agree with most all of his executive order policies, it is Trump's evidenced emotional immaturity that bothered me in 2015 and 2016 and, considering his continued mocking of others and "Tweeter in Chief" behavior, leaves me hoping that he is surrounding himself with emotionally stable and mature people who can compensate for their emotionally immature boss .. though, if corporate America in general is any indication, my hope is likely a false one, as anyone offending him with advice about his acting out may likely be met with "You're fired!".

Trump is compromising the dignity of the office of President, not by his policies, but by his acting out in emotional immaturity, in my opinion.

I could care less about Iranian fundamentalists' reactions, as that only means we're finally taking care of American citizens.

But I am concerned that Trump may, in his emotional acting out, one day seriously offend the wrong person .. a leader of a nuclear-weapons nation, or a real nut-case with no inhibitions to commit a horrific act.
 
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