Trump Rolling Back Dodd/Frank Regulations Is Not Draining Swamp

Trump Voters Voted For Wall Street

It only took about 2 weeks but, Trump is showing his true colors. Trump’s latest Executive Order, that rolls back the regulatory system of which Dodd-Frank is a part of, exposes Trump for who he is. Recently departed COO of Goldman Sachs Gary Cohn, who broke from Goldman with a $285 million dollar deal, made this statement “This is a table setter for a bunch of stuff that is coming,” Cohn said in reference to the executive order, which Trump signed on Friday. 1. Skeptics view the $285 million dollar payment to Cohn as Goldman investing in Cohn who can then deliver on policy that will make Goldman billions. This is a conflict of interest at best and revolving door corruption at worst. 2.

Trump railed against Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz as owned by Goldman Sachs, leading the American public to believe that he was outside of Wall St. influence. Trump has now put too many members of Goldman Sachs into his administration to be consistent with campaign promises. The same Wall St. interests that crashed our economy when the housing bubble burst are now writing financial policy for Trump.

Steve Mnuchin
Treasure Secretary
Former Goldman Sachs partner
Foreclosed on homeowner for 27 cents 5.

Gary Cohn
Top Economic Advisor
Former president and COO of Goldman Sachs

Jay Clayton
Head of the SEC
Finance Attorney 3.

Steve Bannon
President of the United States of America.. err, I mean Chief Strategist to the President of the United States of America
National Security Council
Investment Banker

Without giving any names, Trump cited "friends of his" who have struggled to secure loans since Dodd-Frank was enacted. Trump has called the Dodd Frank bill a “disaster”, misappropriating small business owners as the victims of lending practices, when he means hedge fund managers and investment bankers. Ever since Glass-Steagal was repealed, commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance agencies have been allowed to commingle. Trading securities such as the CBO’s that crashed our economy with the freedom they used in growing the housing bubble is what this EO is about. When he’s sitting next to billionaire’s who would directly benefit from rolling back Dodd-Frank, it will be hard to make an argument he’s doing this for the guy who wants to open up a pizza shop or hardware store.

The architects of Trump’s economic policy represent the same interests that Trump told you he would fight. Trump is not your outsider hero. It’s business as usual on Wall St. Goldman Sachs has had a seat at our Executive Branch since the 1980’s. 4. Now, it looks like Trump’s message is very loud and clear. We are turning over the regulatory system Dodd Frank helps define, to the bankers it seeks to regulate. The monkeys are running the banana store. The wolves are guarding the chicken coop. The bankers expect us to have short memories. Well, I’m here to make sure we don’t.

1.Forbes Welcome
2.Trump adviser Gary Cohn's $285 million exit raises eyebrows - Jan. 26, 2017
3.Trump's SEC pick Clayton points to capital formation, not enforcement | Reuters
4.Ronald Reagan: Nomination of John C. Whitehead To Be Deputy Secretary of State
5.Bank Owned By Trump?s Top Treasury Pick Foreclosed On A 90-Year-Old Over 27 Cents | The Huffington Post

And don't forget Trump's pick to run FCC. Former lawyer for Verizon who *surprise!* wants to end net neutrality.

No kidding. But when you've got a base fully versed in "regulation bad!" chants, a base which tends not to even begin to understand why the mortgage/finance crisis happened, this is the kind of thing that results. I guess we'll just have to have another mortgage/finance bubble, explosion, and great recession.

Mr Person said:

No kidding. But when you've got a base fully versed in "regulation bad!" chants, a base which tends not to even begin to understand why the mortgage/finance crisis happened, this is the kind of thing that results. I guess we'll just have to have another mortgage/finance bubble, explosion, and great recession.

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The Koch Bros have these "Regulation bad! Tax BAD!" republicans trained so well. People are against their own self-interests. Deregulation crashed our economy in 2008. Do you drink water? Okay, well you can thank a liberal that you have clean water to drink. I know it pains conservatives to admit it but, if it were not for liberals they would not have clean tap water. And that is the road that Donald Trump is leading us down. He rejects science. He only cares about money. He is the opposite of progress. And now he's showing the Trump voters out there, what we all have known all along, that he is a bold faced liar without an ounce of integrity, beholden only to his selfish whims without discretion.

Geoist said:

And don't forget Trump's pick to run FCC. Former lawyer for Verizon who *surprise!* wants to end net neutrality.

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I'd HOPE there is a non-partisan effort to uphold net neutraility. Of course we really are through the looking-glass with this Trump world.. up is down, right is wrong, and so on and so forth.

Winston said:

I'd HOPE there is a non-partisan effort to uphold net neutraility. Of course we really are through the looking-glass with this Trump world.. up is down, right is wrong, and so on and so forth.

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I hope so, too, but not going to hold my breath.

Winston said:

Trump Voters Voted For Wall Street

It only took about 2 weeks but, Trump is showing his true colors. Trump’s latest Executive Order, that rolls back the regulatory system of which Dodd-Frank is a part of, exposes Trump for who he is. Recently departed COO of Goldman Sachs Gary Cohn, who broke from Goldman with a $285 million dollar deal, made this statement “This is a table setter for a bunch of stuff that is coming,” Cohn said in reference to the executive order, which Trump signed on Friday. 1. Skeptics view the $285 million dollar payment to Cohn as Goldman investing in Cohn who can then deliver on policy that will make Goldman billions. This is a conflict of interest at best and revolving door corruption at worst. 2.

Trump railed against Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz as owned by Goldman Sachs, leading the American public to believe that he was outside of Wall St. influence. Trump has now put too many members of Goldman Sachs into his administration to be consistent with campaign promises. The same Wall St. interests that crashed our economy when the housing bubble burst are now writing financial policy for Trump.

Steve Mnuchin
Treasure Secretary
Former Goldman Sachs partner
Foreclosed on homeowner for 27 cents 5.

Gary Cohn
Top Economic Advisor
Former president and COO of Goldman Sachs

Jay Clayton
Head of the SEC
Finance Attorney 3.

Steve Bannon
President of the United States of America.. err, I mean Chief Strategist to the President of the United States of America
National Security Council
Investment Banker

Without giving any names, Trump cited "friends of his" who have struggled to secure loans since Dodd-Frank was enacted. Trump has called the Dodd Frank bill a “disaster”, misappropriating small business owners as the victims of lending practices, when he means hedge fund managers and investment bankers. Ever since Glass-Steagal was repealed, commercial banks, investment banks, and insurance agencies have been allowed to commingle. Trading securities such as the CBO’s that crashed our economy with the freedom they used in growing the housing bubble is what this EO is about. When he’s sitting next to billionaire’s who would directly benefit from rolling back Dodd-Frank, it will be hard to make an argument he’s doing this for the guy who wants to open up a pizza shop or hardware store.

The architects of Trump’s economic policy represent the same interests that Trump told you he would fight. Trump is not your outsider hero. It’s business as usual on Wall St. Goldman Sachs has had a seat at our Executive Branch since the 1980’s. 4. Now, it looks like Trump’s message is very loud and clear. We are turning over the regulatory system Dodd Frank helps define, to the bankers it seeks to regulate. The monkeys are running the banana store. The wolves are guarding the chicken coop. The bankers expect us to have short memories. Well, I’m here to make sure we don’t.

1.Forbes Welcome
2.Trump adviser Gary Cohn's $285 million exit raises eyebrows - Jan. 26, 2017
3.Trump's SEC pick Clayton points to capital formation, not enforcement | Reuters
4.Ronald Reagan: Nomination of John C. Whitehead To Be Deputy Secretary of State
5.Bank Owned By Trump?s Top Treasury Pick Foreclosed On A 90-Year-Old Over 27 Cents | The Huffington Post

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That 5th link is so filled with hyperbole it actually wrecks the arguments. OneWest didn't "foreclose" on her property. And it isn't like the executives were sitting around saying "oh let's foreclose over 27 cents!". Sorry, but banks have no interest in foreclosing, and would rather avoid it all costs. Most banks only recoup on average 30 cents on a dollar when they foreclose on a house. And most foreclosures that did happen actually happened because the borrower didn't live up to his or her contractual obligation. Reverse mortgages were underwritten completely differently than the no-doc, interest only or other toxic loans. If you borrow the money, you have to pay it back. It's a business transaction and emotions shouldn't come into play.

"Trump Rolling Back Dodd/Frank Regulations Is Not Draining Swamp"

That's true. It is getting rid of something bad that the swamp did.

Oh I hope that Consumer Agency started by Chief Running-Mouth Warren gets axed. Tucked in Dodd-Frank where fat cat bureaucrats are earning ridiculous salaries in the name of protecting the poor from financial fraud. Warren purposely placed the agency inside the Federal Reserve Board where it does not have congressional oversight.

“It’s ironic that the agency that is supposed to be looking out for the ‘little guy’ is actually padding the pockets of their own employees with exorbitant salaries,” David Williams, president of the Taxpayer Protection Alliance, told TheDCNF.
The top salary at CFPB is reserved for Gail Hillebrand, the associate director for consumer education. She received $259,500 in 2016.
Not only do CFPB employees earn more than most of America’s top leaders, but 240 CFPB employees earn more than all 50 governors. The highest current salary for a sitting Democratic governor is Pennsylvania’s Tom Wolf, who is paid $187,818, according to Ballotpedia.
CFPB now is an embattled agency with congressional calls for its elimination. Others favor sharply reorganizing it and removing CFPB from the Federal Reserve Board so it can operate like a regular agency with congressional oversight.
Unlike all other federal departments and agencies, Congress cannot set its budget or enact reforms at the agency due to the Dodd-Frank restrictions.

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Gravy Train Flows at Warren's Consumer Agency | The Daily Caller

tres borrachos said:

That 5th link is so filled with hyperbole it actually wrecks the arguments. OneWest didn't "foreclose" on her property. And it isn't like the executives were sitting around saying "oh let's foreclose over 27 cents!". Sorry, but banks have no interest in foreclosing, and would rather avoid it all costs. Most banks only recoup on average 30 cents on a dollar when they foreclose on a house. And most foreclosures that did happen actually happened because the borrower didn't live up to his or her contractual obligation. Reverse mortgages were underwritten completely differently than the no-doc, interest only or other toxic loans. If you borrow the money, you have to pay it back. It's a business transaction and emotions shouldn't come into play.

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The HuffPo is a liberal rag. They've lost a lot of credibility. I'll use a different source next time, because I don't want people looking past Mnuchin's sliminess on the account of HuffPo alleging he's slimy. Look at Mnuchin as a candidate for Treasury secretary: he is the swamp. Mnuchin is the 1%. Mnuchin ran OneWest Bank from 09-15 which repeatedly broke California law and rushed delinquent homeowners out of their homes violating notice and waiting period statutes. In order to declare losses with the FDIC. The high foreclosure rate may have been a result of the loss sharing agreement with the FDIC, whereby the FDIC had to reimburse OneWest for losses. Mnuchin took advantage of Americans when they were vulnerable from the housing bubble that him and his Goldman Sachs buddies grew and never paid a price for, after the housing bubble burst, he swooped in for second helpings by purchasing a IndyMac, a mortgage lending company.

The link provided below includes a California memo from a California prosecutor alleging OneWest Bank misconduct that broke California law.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/03...used-of-widespread-misconduct-in-leaked-memo/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Mnuchin#cite_note-29

He's a slimeball. He is the swamp. He never paid the price for the Great Recession that he created. And now he gets a promotion and they roll back regulations against slime like him. Don't support him.

fmw said:

"Trump Rolling Back Dodd/Frank Regulations Is Not Draining Swamp"

That's true. It is getting rid of something bad that the swamp did.

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I'm not sure if you're trolling or just being a stubborn Trump supporter. But, just so we're clear. Trump campaigned against Wall St. Then puts Wall St. in his cabinet. Then rolls back protections for consumers. Then lies about doing it to protect Wall St. interests. That's what just happened. You can't spin it any other way. That's what happened. You got lied to. And hopefully the only one to pay a price here will be Trump losing more credibility with Americans.

Yep.. Trump is nothing but a NYC elitist and a corporatist who's surrounded himself with billionaires who are globalist elitists themselves. He lied and conned the gullible GOP base. These people will crash the economy again, anyone looking at this objectively can see another crash and recession coming.

Unfortunately it will be painful, and hurt millions. But the 1 silver lining is the GOP will be blamed, which will hopefully be the death knell for the current GOP. And then another party rises that is truly conservative, and great conservative leaders will again come to the front and push the people running the current GOP, the morons and the racists, to the back of the bus... So to speak..

Winston said:

I'm not sure if you're trolling or just being a stubborn Trump supporter. But, just so we're clear. Trump campaigned against Wall St. Then puts Wall St. in his cabinet. Then rolls back protections for consumers. Then lies about doing it to protect Wall St. interests. That's what just happened. You can't spin it any other way. That's what happened. You got lied to. And hopefully the only one to pay a price here will be Trump losing more credibility with Americans.

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Sad thing is 1 of the sticks Trump and his lemmings in the Con media used to beat Clinton up with was she was nothing but a Wall Street hack. sadly many of the people who voted for Trump fell for that.

But it turns out Trump is 100x more a WS hack than Clinton is/was. But like I said, maybe there will be silver lining to this upcoming crash and deep recession. Maybe finally the GOP base will wake up to the fact that the current GOP, INCLUDING Trump are nothing but water carriers for big business, big banks, and the rich in this country. The current GOP doesn't give a damn about the working man/middle class.

Trump is a populist my ass!!!

vesper said:

Oh I hope that Consumer Agency started by Chief Running-Mouth Warren gets axed. Tucked in Dodd-Frank where fat cat bureaucrats are earning ridiculous salaries in the name of protecting the poor from financial fraud. Warren purposely placed the agency inside the Federal Reserve Board where it does not have congressional oversight.



Gravy Train Flows at Warren's Consumer Agency | The Daily Caller

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So, reform the agency. Set salary caps at 112,000 the proposed top tax rate. Let me tell you something, everyone in the financial industry wants to make more money. They don't take paycuts when starting new jobs. They went into finance to make money, not because they love healing the sick and spreading joy and happiness to the children.

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Sad thing is 1 of the sticks Trump and his lemmings in the Con media used to beat Clinton up with was she was nothing but a Wall Street hack. sadly many of the people who voted for Trump fell for that.

But it turns out Trump is 100x more a WS hack than Clinton is/was. But like I said, maybe there will be silver lining to this upcoming crash and deep recession. Maybe finally the GOP base will wake up to the fact that the current GOP, INCLUDING Trump are nothing but water carriers for big business, big banks, and the rich in this country. The current GOP doesn't give a damn about the working man/middle class.

Trump is a populist my ass!!!

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"I got a small loan of a million dollars from my dad."

Winston said:

You can't spin it any other way.

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Why not? You spun it this way. Trump didn't campaign against wall st. He campaigned against the tax system that allows some wall street people to pay less tax than they should. I believe he will change that tax system and see his concerns resolved. He is doing what he said he would do. I think you read too many leftist anayses of the facts.

Winston said:

Trump Voters Voted For Wall Street

It only took about 2 weeks but, Trump is showing his true colors. Trump’s latest Executive Order, that rolls back the regulatory system of which Dodd-Frank is a part of, exposes Trump for who he is. Recently departed COO of Goldman Sachs Gary Cohn, who broke from Goldman with a $285 million dollar deal, made this statement “This is a table setter for a bunch of stuff that is coming,” Cohn said in reference to the executive order, which Trump signed on Friday. 1. Skeptics view the $285 million dollar payment to Cohn as Goldman investing in Cohn who can then deliver on policy that will make Goldman billions. This is a conflict of interest at best and revolving door corruption at worst. 2.

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Ah, another Liberal who knows nothing of the Sub-prime housing crisis. Well, you know Left wing talking points, thats about it. The problem with Dodd- Frank is it did NOTHING to put restrictions and regulations on the two most corrupt and influential financial entities involved in the Sub-prime fiasco, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and Glass Steagal is a red herring.

Sub-prime loans started in the early 90's under Clinton when he put together the 10 Federal agency strong " Fair Lending Task Force " who's job was to go out and sue " racist " banks into submission, or to get them to lower their standards for minority applicants. Under the pretense of " discriminatory lending practices, the DOJ, HUD and Community activist groups like ACORN targeted ( shook down ) private lending institutions. In 1995 Bill Clinton made substantial changes to Carters CRA law which included making every Banks CRA score public and assigning regulators to go out and give Banks CRA scores based on the number of loans given to minority applicants.

Here's Janet Reno bragging about the effectiveness of Clintons CRA changes in allowing her agency to successful sue Banks into submission...
03-20-98: REMARKS OF THE HONORABLE JANET RENO TO THE NATIONAL COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT COALITION

" We want to see equal credit being offered by banks because it is the right thing to do, because the law requires it, because it is good business, because people accept it.

You've noted that since the inception of our fair lending initiative in 1992 the Department has filed and settled 13 major fair lending lawsuits. We are going to continue these efforts under the Acting Assistant Attorney General Bill Lann Lee in every way that we possibly can. We will continue to focus on discrimination in underwriting, the process of evaluating the qualifications of credit applicants. This was the issue in our suits against Shawmut in Boston, Northern Trust Company in Chicago, and First National Bank of Donna Anna in New Mexico.

We have also focused on the problem of redlining by lenders and insurance companies. This past August we reached an agreement with Allbank of New York. We alleged that the bank had carved out and refused to make loans in urban minority enclaves within the bank's lending areas in Connecticut and Westchester County, New York. The settlement with Allbank requires it to make $55 million in loans at below-market rate in the areas previously redlined. "

Bill Clinton also gave the GSE's a ' affordable lending mission " which included quotas for purchasing a increasing percentage of Sub-prime loans. Starting at 42% IN 1995, Fannie Mae would purchase Sub-prime loans from lenders, turn them into AAA MBSs and sell them off to investment banks and capital markets all over the world. Clintons " National Homeownership strategy " also reduces the GSE's capital requirements for purchasing Subprime loans to 3 %.

In 1993, James Johnson, then head of FNMA gave Fannie Mae a 1 Trillion dollar goal for purchasing " affordable loans " and in 1999, Franklin Raines celebrated Fannie reaching their goal early...
Fannie Mae to Meet $1 Trillion Goal Early; CEO Raines Launches Ten-Year $2 Trillion ?American Dream

In 200, Andrew Cuomo, the head of HUD committed the GSEs to 2.4 Trillion dollars in Sub-Prime purchases
https://archives.hud.gov/news/1999/pr99-131.html

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Also, in 1997, Freddie Mac guaranteed 380 Million dollars worth of MBSs backed by Sub-Prime loans. Each MBS was given a AAA rating and sold off . ALL of this happened prior to Glass Steagal. From 2000- 2008 Fannie and Freddie purchased trillions of dollars in Subprime loans and lower tranche MBSs, and lenders like CountryWide were some of Fannie Maes largest loan originators. The loans were purchased , turned into MBSs, given a AAA rating and distributed to Banks and Capital markets all over the world. The GSEs were also exempt from paying local and federal taxes, exempt from filing SEC quarterly statements all the way up to 2004, and had access to a 4 Billion dollar lie of cheap credit straight from the US Treasury.

They were the primary consumers of Sub-prime loans, the main distributor of MBSs backed by Sub-prime loans and a primary consumer of lower tranche MBSs and they're why this crisis reached systemic proportions. In 2008, the insolvent Fannie mae and Freddie mac were taken into conservator ship by the Federal Govt with over 5 Trillion dollars in debt. So Dodd- Frank targeted the Financial industry and ignored the unprecedented corruption at the GSEs and the Democrats substantial involvement in the creation of the Sub-prime crisis to help perpetuate the " Too Big To Fail " Bull **** narrative. They blamed it on Wall Street and the Banks ( who were not blameless ) and even Bush, who early on in his administration tried to reign the two GSEs with regulatory action that would have put a 3rd party in charge of GSE oversight.

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - The New York Times

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have so many people fooled into thinking that Wall Street and Banks and Bush caused the crisis, and their supporters think those two are principled and honest. They're not, they're just omitting some very substantial facts that just so happen to torpedo their " eat the rich " narrative

In 2004 Fannie Mae was hit with a 400 Million dollar fine by the SEC for corrupt accounting under Franklin Raines watch. He was one of many FNMA Clinton appointees. In 2011, the SEC opened another investigation into Fannie Mae and Freddie mac omitting hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars in worthless debt, or no-doc Sub-prime loans from their 2004-2008 SEC quarterly financial statements. Prior to 2004 both the GSEs were exempt from SEC reporting requirement. Thats Securities Fraud, thats UNPRECEDENTED securities fraud and not one person was prosecuted for it.

https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2011/comp-pr2011-267-fanniemae.pdf

So when you see Sanders and Warren pandering and going after Wall Street, now you know they're full of ****.

Fenton said:

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have so many people fooled into thinking that Wall Street and Banks and Bush caused the crisis, and their supporters think those two are principled and honest. They're not, they're just omitting some very substantial facts that just so happen to torpedo their " eat the rich " narrative

In 2004 Fannie Mae was hit with a 400 Million dollar fine by the SEC for corrupt accounting under Franklin Raines watch. He was one of many FNMA Clinton appointees. In 2011, the SEC opened another investigation into Fannie Mae and Freddie mac omitting hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars in worthless debt, or no-doc Sub-prime loans from their 2004-2008 SEC quarterly financial statements. Prior to 2004 both the GSEs were exempt from SEC reporting requirement. Thats Securities Fraud, thats UNPRECEDENTED securities fraud and not one person was prosecuted for it.

https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2011/comp-pr2011-267-fanniemae.pdf

So when you see Sanders and Warren pandering and going after Wall Street, now you know they're full of ****.

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This is all very interesting information but, I fail to see how it affects Bernie Sanders. When Bernie Sanders is calling to break up the big banks. He wants a speculation tax on Wall St. Bernie is legit. He didn't run for president to get famous. In fact, I bet he'd give the fame back if he could.

Winston said:

This is all very interesting information but, I fail to see how it affects Bernie Sanders. When Bernie Sanders is calling to break up the big banks. He wants a speculation tax on Wall St. Bernie is legit. He didn't run for president to get famous. In fact, I bet he'd give the fame back if he could.

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No, he's a Socialist and a demagogue who's doing what every Socialist does when they want to gain power and influnece.
Arguments based on appeals to emotion and class envy, nothing new and people still think he represents progress. Leftist have been using that shtick to manipulate the gullible for ages
No, he's not legit, if he was prinicpled, if he actually cared about corruption and wasnt just trying to instill envy and anger for Political gain he wouldnt ignore the GSEs or the Governments substaintial role in the Subprime fiasco
He ignores it because it counters his class envy narrative, thats about as dishonest as you can get

Fenton said:

No, he's a Socialist and a demagogue who's doing what every Socialist does when they want to gain power and influnece.
Arguments based on appeals to emotion and class envy, nothing new and people still think he represents progress. Leftist have been using that shtick to manipulate the gullible for ages
No, he's not legit, if he was prinicpled, if he actually cared about corruption and wasnt just trying to instill envy and anger for Political gain he wouldnt ignore the GSEs or the Governments substaintial role in the Subprime fiasco
He ignores it because it counters his class envy narrative, thats about as dishonest as you can get

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Here's a small list of the times when Bernie Sanders voted in the right way when Democrats and Republicans all voted the wrong way.

1. The Iraq War
2. The Panama Papers
3. NAFTA

Bernie Sanders not only voted against the Iraq war. He led the opposition against it on capitol hill. Bernie Sanders voted against NAFTA. NAFTA was written to favor multinational corporations, NOT workers and because Bernie is not beholden to lobbyist money, he was able to see that and he VOTED NO on NAFTA. Combine those two votes right there. If Bernie Sanders got his way on the Iraq war and NAFTA can you IMAGINE the difference in the country today?!? No ISIS. No War Debts. No languishing middle class. American pride intact from producing the products at home.

Bernie Sanders is not some radical Leninist revolutionary. You sound like you're living in the 1950s. The commies are coming! The commies are coming! Quick, under the desk! Bernie Sanders was actively fighting on DC for your best interests Fenton. When he voted against the Iraq war and NAFTA, he voted that way for your best interests Fenton.

In reference to your accusations of demagoguery.. When Bernie Sanders asks for say 15/hr. Bernie Sanders is bargaining. That's how you bargain. You don't bargain like Obama and Clinton. You don't say well, "The republicans look at them. We have to be ok with fracking, war, right wing health care plans, look at them." Democrats are paid to lose. Because they are owned by the same interests. Bernie Sanders is outside this influence. He's actually fighting for real change. He knows you say, Hey you DC republicans awash in Koch brother lobbyist money, "Hey, we want 15 bucks an hour. That's where we're starting, isn't that right workers of the nation?" Workers of the nation cheer. And in the end republicans have to agree to 12/hr. That's how you bargain. You don't say well, the republicans they're unstoppable, us democrats have to give them what they want. that's ridiculous.

Winston said:

Here's a small list of the times when Bernie Sanders voted in the right way when Democrats and Republicans all voted the wrong way.

1. The Iraq War
2. The Panama Papers
3. NAFTA

Bernie Sanders not only voted against the Iraq war. He led the opposition against it on capitol hill. Bernie Sanders voted against NAFTA. NAFTA was written to favor multinational corporations, NOT workers and because Bernie is not beholden to lobbyist money, he was able to see that and he VOTED NO on NAFTA. Combine those two votes right there. If Bernie Sanders got his way on the Iraq war and NAFTA can you IMAGINE the difference in the country today?!? No ISIS. No War Debts. No languishing middle class. American pride intact from producing the products at home.

Bernie Sanders is not some radical Leninist revolutionary. You sound like you're living in the 1950s. The commies are coming! The commies are coming! Quick, under the desk! Bernie Sanders was actively fighting on DC for your best interests Fenton. When he voted against the Iraq war and NAFTA, he voted that way for your best interests Fenton.

In reference to your accusations of demagoguery.. When Bernie Sanders asks for say 15/hr. Bernie Sanders is bargaining. That's how you bargain. You don't bargain like Obama and Clinton. You don't say well, "The republicans look at them. We have to be ok with fracking, war, right wing health care plans, look at them." Democrats are paid to lose. Because they are owned by the same interests. Bernie Sanders is outside this influence. He's actually fighting for real change. He knows you say, Hey you DC republicans awash in Koch brother lobbyist money, "Hey, we want 15 bucks an hour. That's where we're starting, isn't that right workers of the nation?" Workers of the nation cheer. And in the end republicans have to agree to 12/hr. That's how you bargain. You don't say well, the republicans they're unstoppable, us democrats have to give them what they want. that's ridiculous.

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He isnt ? He's for Single payer, even though it failed miserably when his own State tried to implement it, he's for unprecendented intervention into the market economy and supports social justice initaives that of-course involve a unprecedented increase in Govt authority and influence into the private sector and he jutifies all of this with predictable and insulting Left wing demagoguery.

You realize the Subprime fiasco was built on a Social justice platform ? Yup ! Read that link of Janet Reno telling private lenders that they must adhere to te Govts definition of whats '' fair " or else.

The Clinton administration through a long lis of EO's became the ultimate arbiter of what was " fair and just ". Banks couldnt use the very standards that kept the mortgage industry solvent anymore, they couldnt vet lenders based on their ability tobrepay the loans, especially if they were minorities

Thats why theyre called " Sub prime loans ". The Govt edicts that forced banks to abandon their standards and the years of unprecented Govt corruption created a crisis of epic proportions.
Sanders doesnt think any of that is relevent, how could he sell fear and envy if his followers knew the truth ?

Fenton said:

He isnt ? He's for Single payer, even though it failed miserably when his own State tried to implement it, he's for unprecendented intervention into the market economy and supports social justice initaives that of-course involve a unprecedented increase in Govt authority and influence into the private sector and he jutifies all of this with predictable and insulting Left wing demagoguery.

You realize the Subprime fiasco was built on a Social justice platform ? Yup ! Read that link of Janet Reno telling private lenders that they must adhere to te Govts definition of whats '' fair " or else.

The Clinton administration through a long lis of EO's became the ultimate arbiter of what was " fair and just ". Banks couldnt use the very standards that kept the mortgage industry solvent anymore, they couldnt vet lenders based on their ability tobrepay the loans, especially if they were minorities

Thats why theyre called " Sub prime loans ". The Govt edicts that forced banks to abandon their standards and the years of unprecented Govt corruption created a crisis of epic proportions.
Sanders doesnt think any of that is relevent, how could he sell fear and envy if his followers knew the truth ?

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Single payer is a centrist position in Europe. The fact that our political dialogue is so far right that single payer is considered a radical idea is an outrage.


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