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How Trump and his Supporters see America

America is ALREADY great and has never stopped being great, we are better than we have ever been in so many ways. In some ways we need to be better and in some ways we were better before but we never ceased being great. Will we be better or improve under Trump? I seriously seriously doubt it. Do I hope we are? Of course I always hope we get better!
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Oh..OK, keep defending him then.
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Depending on what he does I may or may not
I'm sorry to see you so confused, the argument is how can his supporters justify a worry about jobs NOW when in 08, they advocated for the collapse of the largest auto manufacturer and the banking system.
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Many that were against that were on the basis of government getting involved. Conservatives typically don't like government involvement in the private sector so it wasn't that they wanted the auto industry to fail they just didn't want the tax payers stuck with the bill. So cutting regulations and taxes for businesses would be consistent from an ideological stand point.

The bank bailouts, same concept as auto bail outs
 
For a more personal view point on auto bail out:

I work in the auto industry. The company I work for didn't take a dime from the bail outs, nor did they lay off any workers and take their business to Mexico for more profit. So yes, I was against the auto bailouts because it isn't the government's responsibility to cover for people's bad decisions.
 
Nap said:
For a more personal view point on auto bail out:

I work in the auto industry. The company I work for didn't take a dime from the bail outs, nor did they lay off any workers and take their business to Mexico for more profit. So yes, I was against the auto bailouts because it isn't the government's responsibility to cover for people's bad decisions.
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Well that didn't narrow down who you work for at all.

Cough...Ford...cough.
 
Nap said:
Depending on what he does I may or may not


Many that were against that were on the basis of government getting involved.
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And yet, here we are with you arguing that Dump, the POTUS, will use policy to cause job creation...or repatriation....whereas the bailouts were a means to save EXISTING jobs. So the whole "gvt not getting involved" under Dump is a false argument.
Conservatives typically don't like government involvement in the private sector so it wasn't that they wanted the auto industry to fail they just didn't want the tax payers stuck with the bill.
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The "bill" or cost would FAR greater from non-involvement.

So cutting regulations and taxes for businesses would be consistent from an ideological stand point.
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This has zero to do with the current discussion of bailouts.

The bank bailouts, same concept as auto bail outs
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The same answer applies, it is a false argument with even GREATER costs.
 
Nap said:
For a more personal view point on auto bail out:

I work in the auto industry. The company I work for didn't take a dime from the bail outs, nor did they lay off any workers and take their business to Mexico for more profit. So yes, I was against the auto bailouts because it isn't the government's responsibility to cover for people's bad decisions.
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If you actually do work in that industry, you would realize that the suppliers were bailed out, and if not, would have had serious consequences for US Nissan.
 
Nap said:
Ha, wrong.

Nissan

Those were a few scary years for everyone in the industry
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Okay, if Renault needed US bailout money then we really would have been in it deep.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
This has zero to do with the current discussion .
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It is the answer to your question.

Conservatives are for smaller government and less intervention from government.

Bailout = government intervention
Regulations and taxes = government intervention

They are being consistent with conservative ideology. So it has everything to do with this conversation.

If you wanted to complain about people being hypocritical a better target would be infrastructure stimulus.

The same people that were blasting Obama for his infrastructure bill are now cheering Trump on for his.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
That understanding is not exhibited in your arguments at all.
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Because I believe in personal responsibility.

I went into work every day wondering if I was going to get layed off. I didn't cry about it and ask the government to save me. I planned ahead and looked for other jobs and ways to make myself more valuable should that day come.
 
Nap said:
It is the answer to your question.
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No:

"So cutting regulations and taxes for businesses would be consistent from an ideological stand point."

..is not the, or an answer to:

Where were the Dump supporters in 08 that were concerned about job losses when the auto and banking industries were collapsing?
 
Nap said:
Because I believe in personal responsibility..
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Non-sequitur, the point you made was your "fear" of a collapse of the auto industry, you changed the subject.....but I can see near total avoidance of my points, so yer done, you lost the argument.
 
CriticalThought said:
In case you missed the inaugural address...

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No wonder he is going to make America Great Again. He only has to stop convincing his supporters that it is in ruins. Let's get rebuilding.
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If Leftists ever obtain total power that will be America's eventual future, figuretively if not literally.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
No:

"So cutting regulations and taxes for businesses would be consistent from an ideological stand point."

..is not the, or an answer to:

Where were the Dump supporters in 08 that were concerned about job losses when the auto and banking industries were collapsing?
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Again, Trump had 0 supporters in 08

Conservatives did not like the bail out = True

Trump campaigns with some Conservative policies = Conservatives likely to support


It is not hard to understand......
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Non-sequitur, the point you made was your "fear" of a collapse of the auto industry, you changed the subject.....but I can see near total avoidance of my points, so yer done, you lost the argument.
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So because I didn't support auto bail outs means I didn't fear the collapse of the auto industry?
 
Nap said:
Again, Trump had 0 supporters in 08
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Yer wrong on at least two levels, he did have supporters in 08, all sorts of fans....and again, those that voted for him in 16 existed in 08, the discussion is about them.

Conservatives did not like the bail out = True

Trump campaigns with some Conservative policies = Conservatives likely to support


It is not hard to understand......
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It isn't hard to understand that you have a penchant for avoiding the other's point, avoiding debate, producing non-sequiturs.

To bad this adds up for a loss for you.
 
Nap said:
So because I didn't support auto bail outs means I didn't fear the collapse of the auto industry?
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This blurt is absurd, you did fear the collapse, you already admitted it.

Absurdity is not a win.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Yer wrong on at least two levels, he did have supporters in 08, all sorts of fans....and again, those that voted for him in 16 existed in 08, the discussion is about them.

It isn't hard to understand that you have a penchant for avoiding the other's point, avoiding debate, producing non-sequiturs.

To bad this adds up for a loss for you.
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I have already shown you where the conservatives that were against the bailouts that supported Trump were consistent with conservative ideology.

I thought your whole argument was that somehow they were being hypocritical. If this is not the case then what is your argument?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
This blurt is absurd, you did fear the collapse, you already admitted it.

Absurdity is not a win.
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Lol, I know. You were the one that said my comments did not indicate that I feared it.....
 
Nap said:
Lol, I know. You were the one that said my comments did not indicate that I feared it.....
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That is correct, your OTHER comments did not reflect it. This is a VERY simple concept. A person can say a whole lot of things surrounding an economic collapse, matter of fact, without personal concern, and then make an admission of "fear" that is in-congruent with what was expressed previously. This is not that difficult to comprehend nor does it in any way conflict with what I posted.

But then this is another example of your need to confuse the matter, to muddy. It is another loser strategy. It is an infantile technique.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
That is correct, your OTHER comments did not reflect it. This is a VERY simple concept. A person can say a whole lot of things surrounding an economic collapse, matter of fact, without personal concern, and then make an admission of "fear" that is in-congruent with what was expressed previously. This is not that difficult to comprehend nor does it in any way conflict with what I posted.

But then this is another example of your need to confuse the matter, to muddy. It is another loser strategy. It is an infantile technique.
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I can both fear for my job and the collapse of the auto industry and be against the auto bailouts. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Trump and the Republicans aren't even on the same side.
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They will be if we the people insist on it. I already am and I hope others are too. We are the only ones who have the President's back right now because the establishment permanent political class on both sides of the aisle, the leftists/statists/progressives and the MSM sure don't.
 
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