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How many jobs has Trump created?

rjay said:
Well thought out response, I agree with much of what you said. But the fact is, this does not address the issue of trump trying to take credit.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799435824622252032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Did you forget, He is a Politician, now, well, some of the time anyway......they all take credit that makes them look good, now do not forget the reverse is also applicable, things they did do that had a negative effect is not their fault. Politics, they sure are interesting to watch.
 
NIMBY said:
Was I born in 2009 yet? Yer new at this. Did you misunderstand me telling apdst that HIS GOP blamed Obama for losing 2.2 million jobs in his first 3 months. Some of them even tried to blame Obama for the 2.2 million jobs lost over the transition. Nothing I've ever said about Obama disagrees with what you just said.

Obama was blamed by the GOP for unemployment going all the way to 10.4% because it happened on his watch. In case you didn't know, we have one POTUS at a time and you have a lot to learn. I've been watching this GOP dishonesty since I first voted against Nixon in 1972. I see the very distinct parallels between trump and Nixon since I've lived through both of them .
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Apologies. Misread the irony in your post :)
 
Mr Person said:
Perhaps I've always been more cynical than I ought, at any age I've been, but ....yeah.... I have found it impossible to "love and respect *all*" fellow Americans before I was 10...

There was, for example, my second grade teacher, who hated (and embodied it with behavior) me for being Jewish and my best friend for being black....

If that wasn't a clue, nothing would've worked.




Decades later, here I am on a site I consider to be the best debate site I've been on, and yet a solid 75% of the most active posters just appear to be politibots, spouting analysis-free gibberish at whomever they consider to be members of those they see as the other side.

Oy vey.




My faith in humanity has declined to the point where, if I found myself in Abraham's biblical shoes, I might just shrug my shoulders and say "go ahead. We could use flood #2".
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Well, I think I'm very much a product of my circumstances.

My grandparents fled a warring Europe for the freedom and prosperity of America. America had just saved the world as we knew it. And they did it by being the shining beacon of freedom and democracy, and all it could accomplish. They worshiped Eisenhower & JFK, and insisted us kids learn to read, write, and speak English, and get educations so we could more fully be part of this great experiment in democracy.

America accepted us, and we accepted her and hers! All of them!

And until today, I still feel the same way. It just get's a little harder. But I do believe my fellow Americans are good people, as beautifully diverse as they are. I just think they've gotten shortchanged by a government and political class undeserved of them, a government and political class that divides us from the top down. And I see Trump as the epitome of dividers.
 
NIMBY said:
Was I born in 2009 yet? Yer new at this. Did you misunderstand me telling apdst that HIS GOP blamed Obama for losing 2.2 million jobs in his first 3 months. Some of them even tried to blame Obama for the 2.2 million jobs lost over the transition. Nothing I've ever said about Obama disagrees with what you just said.

Obama was blamed by the GOP for unemployment going all the way to 10.4% because it happened on his watch. In case you didn't know, we have one POTUS at a time and you have a lot to learn. I've been watching this GOP dishonesty since I first voted against Nixon in 1972. I see the very distinct parallels between trump and Nixon since I've lived through both of them .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2vozC_kP6Q
 
randel said:
just look at the impressive run over his presidency..quite a few months of jobs....
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No...he was President while jobs where created while Trump has actually created jobs as a business man, real estate mogul, and entertainer. I think that's the distinction he was drawing.
 
NIMBY said:
Was I born in 2009 yet? Yer new at this. Did you misunderstand me telling apdst that HIS GOP blamed Obama for losing 2.2 million jobs in his first 3 months. Some of them even tried to blame Obama for the 2.2 million jobs lost over the transition. Nothing I've ever said about Obama disagrees with what you just said.

Obama was blamed by the GOP for unemployment going all the way to 10.4% because it happened on his watch. In case you didn't know, we have one POTUS at a time and you have a lot to learn. I've been watching this GOP dishonesty since I first voted against Nixon in 1972. I see the very distinct parallels between trump and Nixon since I've lived through both of them .
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As a libertarian/conservative that was definitely stupid for them to blame Obama for that. Hell, he wasn't even a Senator long enough to really be included into part of the group in Congress that could be held culpable. He was some jr Senator nobody with no pull.
 
Fishking said:
No...he was President while jobs where created while Trump has actually created jobs as a business man, real estate mogul, and entertainer. I think that's the distinction he was drawing.
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trump is claiming jobs "saved" or jobs "created" that he has nothing to do with, claiming this is happening because he is going to be potus...so, fair is fair
 
Chomsky said:
Well, I think I'm very much a product of my circumstances.

My grandparents fled a warring Europe for the freedom and prosperity of America. America had just saved the world as we knew it. And they did it by being the shining beacon of freedom and democracy, and all it could accomplish. They worshiped Eisenhower & JFK, and insisted us kids learn to read, write, and speak English, and get educations so we could more fully be part of this great experiment in democracy.

America accepted us, and we accepted her and hers! All of them!

And until today, I still feel the same way. It just get's a little harder. But I do believe my fellow Americans are good people, as beautifully diverse as they are. I just think they've gotten shortchanged by a government and political class undeserved of them, a government and political class that divides us from the top down. And I see Trump as the epitome of dividers.
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Indeed.

Naturally, my perspective on the world wars and what they say of America differs as well. The way I see it, we were war-weary from WWI and were content to sit by as what we knew of the holocaust proceeded and Europe was threatened with complete domination by evil fascists. We didn't put the chips down until Pearl Harbor, since we couldn't very well allow another nation to do that to us and we also couldn't ignore the other Axis powers. If Japan hadn't forced our hand, we very well may have sat it out. We certainly didn't jump in on our own accord in order to stop evil.

Of course, we naturally took all the praise thrown our way afterwards. Now, that's not to diminish the countless sacrifices made. It is, however, to point out a dissonance between the reason we entered and the reason we like to think we entered.



But, I suppose there is silver lining, if that's the right word to use (probably not). The people who actually fought the war were not the people who decided to sit it out. They were ordinary Americans, and there were plenty of volunteers. (As well as Americans who volunteered for allied powers before we were in it). They sacrificed, they accepted.
 
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Annnnyyyyway, getting back to what I'm supposed to be discussing: how many jobs has Trump created? As for all the companies who have announced deals for which Trump has claimed credit: zero, with one exception.

He can be "credited" with sending Pence to give special crony rewards to Carrier for exporting 1,000 jobs rather than 2,000; the kind of "establishment politics" he pretended to be against, no less.



As for his private life? Well, he certainly has done a lot of projects. But between his pattern of stiffing workers as a matter of practice and his six bankruptcies, I'd say that the rosiest picture of his private job-creation is "mixed."
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Just taking "you didn't build that" one step farther. ;)
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Biiiiiit of a stretch. <-------- Understatement

"You didn't build that" was a gaffe in the sense that our great speech-giver somehow failed to make explicit that he was talking about the simple fact that the more you grow a business, the more taxpayer-funded infrastructure you necessarily rely on. It was an impressive failure, because of course that sounds bad.

That's rather different than pretending that every time a business declares it's doing something that results in hiring or changed its mind about exporting jobs, that's because Trump was elected. That is, unless one gets very cynical and says that even though such declarations are blatant moves by the companies to gain favor with Trump, possibly fishing for some Carrier-like preferential treatment, Trump should still be credited because he's willing to consider giving such treatment.
 
Mr Person said:
Indeed.

Naturally, my perspective on the world wars and what they say of America differs as well. The way I see it, we were war-weary from WWI and were content to sit by as what we knew of the holocaust proceeded and Europe was threatened with complete domination by evil fascists. We didn't put the chips down until Pearl Harbor, since we couldn't very well allow another nation to do that to us and we also couldn't ignore the other Axis powers. If Japan hadn't forced our hand, we very well may have sat it out. We certainly didn't jump in on our own accord in order to stop evil.

Of course, we naturally took all the praise thrown our way afterwards. Now, that's not to diminish the countless sacrifices made. It is, however, to point out a dissonance between the reason we entered and the reason we like to think we entered.



But, I suppose there is silver lining, if that's the right word to use (probably not). The people who actually fought the war were not the people who decided to sit it out. They were ordinary Americans, and there were plenty of volunteers. (As well as Americans who volunteered for allied powers before we were in it). They sacrificed, they accepted.
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Your take is a good one. America was isolationist up to that point.

But from a European perspective, America came in and cleaned house, whereas Europe could not save herself. And while the unsuccessful Europe still clung to the vestiges of monarchies and social & class systems, the successful America was the great egalitarian democratic capitalist experiment showing the way forward.

That last, was the point I was making.
 
Mr Person said:
Indeed.

Naturally, my perspective on the world wars and what they say of America differs as well. The way I see it, we were war-weary from WWI and were content to sit by as what we knew of the holocaust proceeded and Europe was threatened with complete domination by evil fascists. We didn't put the chips down until Pearl Harbor, since we couldn't very well allow another nation to do that to us and we also couldn't ignore the other Axis powers. If Japan hadn't forced our hand, we very well may have sat it out. We certainly didn't jump in on our own accord in order to stop evil.

Of course, we naturally took all the praise thrown our way afterwards. Now, that's not to diminish the countless sacrifices made. It is, however, to point out a dissonance between the reason we entered and the reason we like to think we entered.



But, I suppose there is silver lining, if that's the right word to use (probably not). The people who actually fought the war were not the people who decided to sit it out. They were ordinary Americans, and there were plenty of volunteers. (As well as Americans who volunteered for allied powers before we were in it). They sacrificed, they accepted.
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We were already helping Great Britain, before Pearl Harbor. In many ways.
 
Mr Person said:
Perhaps I've always been more cynical than I ought, at any age I've been, but ....yeah.... I have found it impossible to "love and respect *all*" fellow Americans before I was 10...

There was, for example, my second grade teacher, who hated (and embodied it with behavior) me for being Jewish and my best friend for being black....

If that wasn't a clue, nothing would've worked.




Decades later, here I am on a site I consider to be the best debate site I've been on, and yet a solid 75% of the most active posters just appear to be politibots, spouting analysis-free gibberish at whomever they consider to be members of those they see as the other side.

Oy vey.




My faith in humanity has declined to the point where, if I found myself in Abraham's biblical shoes, I might just shrug my shoulders and say "go ahead. We could use flood #2".
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Well this is why i've no desire to see "America great again." First, it doesn't deserve to be great. Second, the people pining for this want to drag it back to an era when those who weren't white hetero christian male had no rights to speak of...which is why it doesn't deserve to be great
 
Casper said:
Did you forget, He is a Politician, now, well, some of the time anyway......they all take credit that makes them look good, now do not forget the reverse is also applicable, things they did do that had a negative effect is not their fault. Politics, they sure are interesting to watch.
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Yeah, but spin won't matter in the end. Either things improve and he'll get elected in 2020, or it goes to **** and he doesn't. 1000 jobs here or there that would've been created anyway won't impact a damn thing compared to 20 million+ losing health care
 
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