• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Donald Trump and Willie Loman

Lutherf said:
I don't think it's attention that his voters were looking for. Some percentage (maybe 25%) of Trump voters either liked his "in your face" style or just plain wanted to give the establishment a big FU. Another 60% or so voted for Trump because they couldn't fathom 4-8 years of Hillary in the White House. The other 15% were just plain sick and tired of being called racist, tired of being told they couldn't succeed without direct government help and tired of being taken for granted by an establishment that generally ignored them other than when it came time to vote. People simply got tired of being pandered to by both parties.
Click to expand...

I think our difference may be more semantic than real. I had something very similar to your 25% in mind with "attention."
 
humbolt said:
I believe they are referring to the majority of the silent majority, which might not be a majority at all, but they are generally politically quiet. There is no hard and fast definition of that group, but when they speak as a group they do influence elections. This was one of those times when people of a similar demographic heavily influenced the election outcome. Nearly all of them are strongly focused on economic matters, and that crosses traditional party ties. Never doubt the superior pull of the wallet when compared to other electoral considerations. It's not the only thing - just the biggest.
Click to expand...


Economics were a huge factor for many, probably most of us who voted Trump. We were tired of the government initiated stagnation and decline and knew that it would only continue with Hillary at the helm.

But I think it went far deeper than that. There was the Supreme Court and whether we would lose it as the safeguard of our liberties for the forseeable future as would have likely been the case with Hillary making those nomination.

There was the erosion of basic liberties in which political correctness was slowly but surely eroding free speech principles and our rights to be who and what we are and to conduct our lives according to our own consciences, that violence and hoodlumism was replacing civil discourse and working out disagreements, and a sense that we were losing our unique American culture to forces that intended us no good at all.

And again we who were the visionary 'tea partiers', the true libertarians (little "L"), 9-12ers, et al were tired of being characterized as expendable, deplorable, and any number of hateful characterizations. We were the focus of the Trump message and it came through to us loud and clear.

Turned out there were enough of us to elect him. :)
 
AlbqOwl said:
Economics were a huge factor for many, probably most of us who voted Trump. We were tired of the government initiated stagnation and decline and knew that it would only continue with Hillary at the helm.

But I think it went far deeper than that. There was the Supreme Court and whether we would lose it as the safeguard of our liberties for the forseeable future as would have likely been the case with Hillary making those nomination.

There was the erosion of basic liberties in which political correctness was slowly but surely eroding free speech principles and our rights to be who and what we are and to conduct our lives according to our own consciences, that violence and hoodlumism was replacing civil discourse and working out disagreements, and a sense that we were losing our unique American culture to forces that intended us no good at all.

And again we who were the visionary 'tea partiers', the true libertarians (little "L"), 9-12ers, et al were tired of being characterized as expendable, deplorable, and any number of hateful characterizations. We were the focus of the Trump message and it came through to us loud and clear.

Turned out there were enough of us to elect him. :)
Click to expand...

well said
 
AlbqOwl said:
Economics were a huge factor for many, probably most of us who voted Trump. We were tired of the government initiated stagnation and decline and knew that it would only continue with Hillary at the helm.

But I think it went far deeper than that. There was the Supreme Court and whether we would lose it as the safeguard of our liberties for the forseeable future as would have likely been the case with Hillary making those nomination.

There was the erosion of basic liberties in which political correctness was slowly but surely eroding free speech principles and our rights to be who and what we are and to conduct our lives according to our own consciences, that violence and hoodlumism was replacing civil discourse and working out disagreements, and a sense that we were losing our unique American culture to forces that intended us no good at all.

And again we who were the visionary 'tea partiers', the true libertarians (little "L"), 9-12ers, et al were tired of being characterized as expendable, deplorable, and any number of hateful characterizations. We were the focus of the Trump message and it came through to us loud and clear.

Turned out there were enough of us to elect him.
Click to expand...
:)
Click to expand...

And as it turns out, for the time being, such people will not be ignored. I think that fact alone is enough to set the political left's teeth on edge. They cling to the notion that they didn't fail, but the outcome speaks otherwise. They did fail, and rather spectacularly so. They wanted Trump against Hillary. They got him, and now they're left stirring the dregs at the bottom of the pot.
 
Mac77 said:
I said the Silent Majority won over the establishment candidate

Which is true

Most of them voted for trump but a few didn't
Click to expand...

This is the pure truth. Many very devoted and sensible people simply could not vote for somebody as outspoken, often offensively outspoken, as Trump and they voted for Johnson or one of the more obscure candidates that at least offered something positive. I doubt many, if any, voted for Hillary as their alternative.

Those people now, for the most part--there are a few exceptions--are now willing to throw their support behind Trump and oppose those who would destroy him in the hopes that those of us who did vote for him were right. I doubt many, if any, would have preferred Hillary.

In short, regardless of the vote, I believe there is a significant majority who is now behind Trump and hoping he will succeed. And I doubt there are more than a handful of Republicans/Libertarians who think Hillary was the better choice, and all of those are establishment people who fear Trump will make good on his intent to upset the status quo and set us on a brand new course that won't benefit them personally like the status quo did.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom