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    conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Sure, there was indisputable proof that republicans and the conservative media was lying to them about deficits. But like a love struck girl, conservatives continually denied the facts. they always had their debt hero Paul Ryan there to keep the fantasy going. here's what he had to say Tuesday

    “One of the things that we’re focusing on is getting people back to work, is economic growth,” Ryan told reporters Tuesday. “You can’t ever balance the budget if you don’t get this economy growing.”

    GOP concerns about deficits, debt disappear in Trump era | The Seattle Times

    mmmm, what was wrong with that focus when 600,000 people were losing their jobs each month at the peak of the Great Bush Recession? oh yea, the President was a democrat. Just more proof republicans put their political agenda ahead of the American people.
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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Republicans didn't want to get the economy going again back in 2008?

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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Sure, there was indisputable proof that republicans and the conservative media was lying to them about deficits. But like a love struck girl, conservatives continually denied the facts. they always had their debt hero Paul Ryan there to keep the fantasy going. here's what he had to say Tuesday

    “One of the things that we’re focusing on is getting people back to work, is economic growth,” Ryan told reporters Tuesday. “You can’t ever balance the budget if you don’t get this economy growing.”

    GOP concerns about deficits, debt disappear in Trump era | The Seattle Times

    mmmm, what was wrong with that focus when 600,000 people were losing their jobs each month at the peak of the Great Bush Recession? oh yea, the President was a democrat. Just more proof republicans put their political agenda ahead of the American people.
    The GOP lied about the Deficit? Are you F**king kidding?

    The Deficit is the annual budget shortfall that creates the National Debt, and Obama has increased the National Debt more than all the prior 43 Presidents combined.

    Yet Dems use phony numbers to claim he cut the deficit in half, leaving out that he quadrupled it just before that.

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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Republicans didn't want to get the economy going again back in 2008?
    Republicans are dead set against deficits... when a Democrat is the President.

    We're already seeing, both in word and deed, that most Republican elected officials don't care about deficits when a Republican (even a nominal Republican) is in office.

    Some do still care, so we will see some resistance from those Republican deficit hawks. But the leadership? Nope.

    It's not clear yet how the Republican voters feel. We'll have to wait a few years, and watch deficits go into the stratosphere, to see what the public thinks.

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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Republicans didn't want to get the economy going again back in 2008?
    More than that, liberal luminaries such as Paul Krugman were urging that "debt scolds" be ignored, and that there should be deficit spending for years to come in the Hillary administration:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...-macro-policy/

    That was this past August; he re-affirmed by tweet in Ocotober:

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    But within the last few days, now that there's going to be a Republican administration, in his own words, "deficits matter again."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/o...2Fpaul-krugman

    There's hardly a shred of difference between the economic conditions of late October and today, so the only explanation for the about-face is abject, slobbering hackery.
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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Sure, there was indisputable proof that republicans and the conservative media was lying to them about deficits. But like a love struck girl, conservatives continually denied the facts. they always had their debt hero Paul Ryan there to keep the fantasy going. here's what he had to say Tuesday

    “One of the things that we’re focusing on is getting people back to work, is economic growth,” Ryan told reporters Tuesday. “You can’t ever balance the budget if you don’t get this economy growing.”

    GOP concerns about deficits, debt disappear in Trump era | The Seattle Times

    mmmm, what was wrong with that focus when 600,000 people were losing their jobs each month at the peak of the Great Bush Recession? oh yea, the President was a democrat. Just more proof republicans put their political agenda ahead of the American people.
    ..and once again, a liberal ignores the FACT that it was a response to a DEM. Congress that triggered the last recession. But that's just truth and if the truth doesn't match the narrative, go with the narrative - right???
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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Sure, there was indisputable proof that republicans and the conservative media was lying to them about deficits. But like a love struck girl, conservatives continually denied the facts. they always had their debt hero Paul Ryan there to keep the fantasy going. here's what he had to say Tuesday

    “One of the things that we’re focusing on is getting people back to work, is economic growth,” Ryan told reporters Tuesday. “You can’t ever balance the budget if you don’t get this economy growing.”

    GOP concerns about deficits, debt disappear in Trump era | The Seattle Times

    mmmm, what was wrong with that focus when 600,000 people were losing their jobs each month at the peak of the Great Bush Recession? oh yea, the President was a democrat. Just more proof republicans put their political agenda ahead of the American people.
    The second wave of the great Clinton debacle, you mean. The main question now should be, whether we are facing the third wave.

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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Republicans didn't want to get the economy going again back in 2008?
    They are soo evil!

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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    More than that, liberal luminaries such as Paul Krugman were urging that "deficit scolds" be ignored, and that there should be deficit spending for years to come in the Hillary administration:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...-macro-policy/

    That was this past August; he re-affirmed by tweet in Ocotober:

    C1v7TSTXcAAuwNg.jpg

    But within the last few days, now that there's going to be a Republican administration, in his own words, "deficits matter again."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/o...2Fpaul-krugman

    There's hardly a shred of difference between the economic conditions of late October and today, so the only explanation for the about-face is abject, slobbering hackery.
    He was an excellent economist. Now he is a predictable populist liberal.

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    Re: conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Casca XV View Post
    The GOP lied about the Deficit? Are you F**king kidding?
    Nope.

    Clinton produced a surplus. Bush 43 burned right through it, and his policies -- namely, cutting taxes while waging two major wars (who does that?!?), adding Medicare Part D -- combined with revenue shortfalls caused by a major recession, produced record deficits.

    As the economy recovered, and revenues got back to normal, and we could pull back on the stimulus and war spending, and with a tiny tax hike towards the end, yes deficits dropped to a more normal level.

    Now, Trump's policies are set to send deficits rocketing back up again. He isn't going to cut Social Security or Medicare, two of the most expensive federal programs. He wants to increase defense spending, another huge program. He isn't going to cut VA spending, in fact he'll have to increase it if he wants to reduce wait times. Right off the bat, Trump refuses to cut or plans to increase spending for 70% of the federal budget.

    Further, his plan is to slash income and corporate taxes, which will cause another drop in revenues. Based on his current plans, he could add $5 trillion or more to the current debt.

    So. Can we put you down, on record, as someone who objects to high levels of both deficit spending and debt?

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