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conservatives can no longer deny they've been lied to about deficits.

I have to start using it again. Some of these people are too indoctrinated to respond to, and deny facts.

I took everyone off IGNORE a while ago because the "View First Unread" option doesn't work right is someone on the IGNORE list is in the thread.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it why such passion for a particular ideology and why nothing resonates other than the leftwing talking points. Almost like they are paid to be here
 
Raising the minimum wage does not increase jobs.
LOL... Walmart mantra again... Your indoctrination is showing.
Do I need to add you to my IGNORE list, or will you have reasonable arguments in the future?

Yes, it does increase jobs. In 2014, 13 states raised their minimum wage. Those 13 states saw better job growth than the 37 states that didn't. And the states that did raise their minimum wage were spread throughout the country, in different locations, with different economies.

And I use Walmart as an example because they are the easiest to point out. What I find disappointing is that you don't even bother to talk about Walmart's situation. Why is that? Do you just not believe that Walmart workers cost taxpayers $6B a year in welfare? What is it that you don't like about it?

What better way to prove you're an ignoramus than by putting someone on ignore?
 
Bottom line, the deficits and debt will continue to rise until we improve pout economy, and you can't tax your way to prosperity

Since our economy relies so heavily on consumer spending, how do you intend to create better growth if you're not raising wages?
 
Makes you wonder, doesn't it why such passion for a particular ideology and why nothing resonates other than the leftwing talking points. Almost like they are paid to be here

Just how far does Soros reach?
 
Yes, it does increase jobs. In 2014, 13 states raised their minimum wage. Those 13 states saw better job growth than the 37 states that didn't. And the states that did raise their minimum wage were spread throughout the country, in different locations, with different economies.
Why is 2014 cherry picked?

Nine of those states raise the minimum every year. What if 2013 was a drop for them, and they caught back up in 2014?

We have 2016 numbers now, so I hope you understand my suspicions. A single years doesn't mean squat. That is the 5 or 10 years trend?

A single statistical fact is meaningless.

And I use Walmart as an example because they are the easiest to point out.
For you, because they are the villains the pundits tell you to hate. Their dogma is filled with cherry picked examples for you to use. Sure, some truth is said, and they are not a good place to work. So? What is it with this silly notion that anyone is entitled to an easy life?

What I find disappointing is that you don't even bother to talk about Walmart's situation. Why is that?
Because Walmart is a very old argument. I'm tired of hearing about it. We disagree on a solution. It's all been argued a bazillion times over the years, and I'm tired of it! Tired orf repeating the same facts year after year. Tired or correcting the lies from the haters.

Walmart is what it is. If you don't like them, shop or work elsewhere.

Do you just not believe that Walmart workers cost taxpayers $6B a year in welfare? What is it that you don't like about it?
They would cost more if they didn't have a job.

What better way to prove you're an ignoramus than by putting someone on ignore?
I only do that with people ignorant on a topic, that refuse to learn, and/or, are really harassing. It keeps my sanity in check. I like to stay away from that environment.
 
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Why is 2014 cherry picked?

I was just using 2014 as an example because Conservatives warned, at the time, that those wage increases would lead to job loss, when the exact opposite occurred. Those 13 states all had higher job growth rates than the 37 states that didn't raise wages. These are facts.


Nine of those states raise the minimum every year. What if 2013 was a drop for them, and they caught back up in 2014?

They raise it according to inflation. And those nine states all saw better job growth than the ones who didn't raise wages at all. That's the point.


We have 2016 numbers now, so I hope you understand my suspicions. A single years doesn't mean squat. That is the 5 or 10 years trend?

What do the 2016 numbers have to do with it? And what are those numbers. Did the 13 states that raised their minimum wage in 2014 still have stronger job growth in the two years following vs. states that didn't? Why yes, they did. This game of "it's too early to tell" is one Conservatives play when they know their position is BS. Like Brownback, who claimed that his tax cuts would be "a shot of adrenaline" into the KS economy. Here we are, almost 5 years later, and we're still waiting for that adrenaline to kick in. So no, I reject you moving the goalposts. You guys are the ones who scream that the sky is falling whenever anyone talks of a minimum wage increase. And as always, you guys are wrong.


For you, because they are the villains the pundits tell you to hate. Their dogma is filled with cherry picked examples for you to use. Sure, some truth is said, and they are not a good place to work. So? What is it with this silly notion that anyone is entitled to an easy life?

If you're not even going to debate with me, why respond? All this does is make you look like you have to get the last word in because of whatever internal thing you got going on in your own head. It doesn't seem like you really understand what "cherry picking" means. I am not leaning on pundits for my position, I'm leaning on the facts. The facts show that Walmart costs US taxpayers as much as $6B/year in welfare because they pay such low wages. But you could substitute many companies for Walmart, and you'd see the same thing. I don't know why you think anyone is entitled to an easy life. It seems to me that life didn't turn out the way you thought it would, and you have resentment about that because you were promised an American Dream and it turned out to not be that at all. If you want to hear about whiny, lazy, self-entitled brats, look no further than the "me" generation that brought us tropes like "trickle down" and "greed is good". You know what happened to Michael Douglas' character at the end of that movie?


Because Walmart is a very old argument.

Well, *I've* only been making this argument for a few months. So if you've heard it before, why haven't you bothered to reconcile it? Instead you regurgitate words in the hopes that the conversation will just fatigue and you don't have to be held responsible for what you say, think, or do. And that's childish, dude. Walmart made $14B in profit last year. Walmart workers cost taxpayers $6B. So please explain to me how we aren't subsidizing 43% of Walmart's profits by providing welfare to their low-wage workers?


They would cost more if they didn't have a job.

So they should be thankful that Walmart leeches off the taxpayers, and forces their low-wage workers into welfare where people like you stigmatize them for it? Now that's some circular reasoning if I've ever heard it...


I only do that with people ignorant on a topic

No, it seems like you do it to people who are doggedly on you to accept responsibility for what you say, think, believe, and do.
 
Just how far does Soros reach?

Don't know but I do know that I am not going to read any more of that bs that defies logic, common sense, and actual economic data. All those jobs created, part time for economic reasons. 146 million employed when the recession began and 152 million employed today, 6 million of those part time for economic reasons. Yes, raising the minimum wage creates more part time employees so how does the worker benefit? Oh, wait, they get two jobs so no family time
 
Hit piece? This thread has nothing to do with the editorial. It’s all about the quote from Paul Ryan. And that’s all it needs to be about. It’s no shock to me that you’re still pretending not to know what the thread and my posts are about. Your only purpose is to try to deflect from and obfuscate the facts.

Lets go over this again, Ryan’s quote is proof that republicans were flaming lying hypocrites about debt and deficits the last 8 years. They had proven that numerous times the last 8 years but Ryan’s quote is proof that even conservatives can’t deny. Now that you can no longer deny that they were flaming lying hypocrites about debt and deficits, you can no longer deny that republicans were simply trying to sabotage the economy and undermine the recovery the last 8 years. Hence, you’re still pretending not to know what the thread and my posts are about.

Hey Vern let me know how the withholding of funds from sanctuary cities like LA and NYC are going to affect the deficit?

'We're going to see more': Sanctuary cities cave in face of Trump's funding threats | Fox News
 
Do you mean this quote:

“One of the things that we’re focusing on is getting people back to work, is economic growth,” Ryan told reporters Tuesday. “You can’t ever balance the budget if you don’t get this economy growing.”

Are you saying it is wrong?

Wow...
LoP, you only prove your deflecting questions are also dishonest. You asked someone to "elaborate" the point of the thread. I obliged (see post 257) and all you could post was "excuses excuses" (see post 258). So you got the point of the thread. What proves you got the point was you then to tried to deflect by whining about the fact I pointed out your respect and admiration of gadaffi. You even got another explanation of the point of the thread when you were whining about "libruls"( see post 289).

And your dishonest deflecting questions are especially sad because you tried to make the thread about the editorial I got the ryan quote from. I told you the thread was about Ryan's quote (see post 1). You just cant continue to use the "dishonest deflecting question" dodge but yet you do. You have to understand, yours and Conservative's continued attempts to deflect from the thread topic only proves me right. Republicans were trying to sabotage the economy and undermine the recovery the last 8 years. Ryans quote proves it.
 
LoP, you only prove your deflecting questions are also dishonest. You asked someone to "elaborate" the point of the thread. I obliged (see post 257) and all you could post was "excuses excuses" (see post 258). So you got the point of the thread. What proves you got the point was you then to tried to deflect by whining about the fact I pointed out your respect and admiration of gadaffi. You even got another explanation of the point of the thread when you were whining about "libruls"( see post 289).

And your dishonest deflecting questions are especially sad because you tried to make the thread about the editorial I got the ryan quote from. I told you the thread was about Ryan's quote (see post 1). You just cant continue to use the "dishonest deflecting question" dodge but yet you do. You have to understand, yours and Conservative's continued attempts to deflect from the thread topic only proves me right. Republicans were trying to sabotage the economy and undermine the recovery the last 8 years. Ryans quote proves it.

You continue to make things up to suit your own ideology but the facts just don't support your position
 
You continue to make things up to suit your own ideology but the facts just don't support your position

can you please elaborate what you think I've made up.
 
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