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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    Then why didn't the Republicans make any changes? Outside Hillary and Obama with a Dem congress, the Republicans have done Jack and **** about healthcare costs or availability. Republicans like to bitch about the ACA, but haven't done anything to do better. Now they have their shot and if their solution is just to kick 20 million of insurance, you bet there will be a backlash for them come 2018 mid-terms and rightfully so.
    I would agree that if their only plan is to terminate the ACA it will have a political backlash and rightfully so. As much turmoil as this has caused they cant just say...never mind...delete it all.

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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    No thanks...I'll leave that to someone else. As I've said, if not here then elsewhere, I don't care about a "plan". I just want the turd to be flushed.
    oh that's right, I keep forgetting that conservatives think this is a chatroom.
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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Government mandated one size fits all satisfies nobody. That's why Obamacare is destined for the toilet.
    That doesn't even remotely answer my question.

    When you're able to do more than recite platitudes, let us know.

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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    There is lies one of the many reasons that ObamaCare is so unpopular. It was sold the 'rubes in fly over country' on a pack of bold faced lies. Any wonder why the coastal elites (which includes NYC and DC) are so unpopular with the rest of the country? That's one of a long litany of reasons all justified, all legitimate.
    oh eohrn, he says he was "dropped" by his insurance. Why do you obediently agree with people who dishonestly whine about Obamacare. What is it about conservativism that makes you think its okay to have no integrity.
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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    There is lies one of the many reasons that ObamaCare is so unpopular.
    Sorry, but I'm pretty sure limelight is the one who is deeply misinformed.

    For example, I dialed in 2 adults, 3 dependent kids into Healthcare.gov for New Jersey, an expensive state. The Gold plans are $1600/month. And that's for 2017.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world: The ACA is not actually that unpopular, and doesn't seem to have been a major factor in the election. Popularity is split, 45/49. That's not much different than Medicaid, which was not very popular when it first started, and is now one of the most popular government programs.

    Oh, and 77% of people on ACA plans are satisfied, as are 88% of Medicaid recipients.

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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    oh that's right, I keep forgetting that conservatives think this is a chatroom.
    Like most people here, I pick and choose my debates and my input. I don't spring into action when someone makes demands.
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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    That doesn't even remotely answer my question.

    When you're able to do more than recite platitudes, let us know.
    Your question? What question? The post I responded to had no question. I responded to the total post.
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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    oh fmw, once again you are simply posting words that have no basis in fact in a desperate attempt to respond. All conservatives (and conservative likes posters) do it. Read this slow, regulating the insurance market is not the same as "in the insurance market". And Obamacare only mandates the minimum coverage. To "misparaphrase" that as "illegal to offer any others" is just more dishonesty.

    but you saved the best for last with "only authorized retail channel for individual policies". total delusion or total dishonesty, doesn't matter which one. You can still call the insurance company directly. The bonus is you don't have to answer a bunch of questions and then wait to find out if you can get coverage. And you can still call a broker. geez fmw, I'm sure you're a nice guy but you need to try to understand why you are so willing to choose narrative over integrity. fmw, don't end up like this guy. He posted the ridiculous and intentional falsehood that his insurance company dropped him. You can only be dropped for non payment or fraud. I point that out to him so he doubles down (in double spaced format no less) that "nuh uh, I really did get dropped and the proof is my friends did too".



    Now he's trying to slip in "plan dropped" but its too late, he said "nuh uh" after I told him he could only be dropped by non payment or fraud. fmw, don't be this guy.
    So we disagree. Best of luck.

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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    If you get sick and go broke because of ObamaCare deductibles you have to pay for your care or you go broke because of what the medical care costs are without ObamaCare, you are still broke in the end, so what difference does it make?
    Oh eohrn, your conservative masters appreciate your obedience. But eorhn, you should stick to the vague whining about Obamacare. Specifics don’t help the lying conservative agenda. The difference is the person with coverage will get the bypass operation and get billed for the deductible. The person without coverage won’t get the bypass operation. Hey I know, lets use the magic conservative example of the hospital doing a 100,000 dollar operation on credit vs someone with coverage. One guy gets billed 100,0000. The other guy gets billed 6,000 or 12,000.

    Now eohrn, you’re in a thread concerning the fact that republicans have no plan to replace Obamacare. If Obamacare is so bad, why cant they come up with a plan let alone a better one? Just so you know, whining about Obamacare and me doesn't address the thread topic.
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    Re: If Obamacare is so bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Your question? What question? The post I responded to had no question. I responded to the total post.
    No, you did not answer my question at all. Here it is again.


    Be SPECIFIC about what doesn't work in the ACA. E.g. How did it screw up:

    • Guaranteed issue
    • Guaranteed coverage for preventative medicine and screenings
    • Medicare savings of hundreds of billions of dollars per year
    • Medicare incentives
    • Exchanges (note: after the initial problems, they work very well now)
    • Subsidized insurance for people who can't afford it
    • The Medicare expansion
    • The closure of the Medicare Part D "Donut Hole"
    • Allowing approval of generic biologics
    • The end of lifetime care limits
    • Ratepayer rebates when an insurer spends too much on administration
    • Rate review (insurers must notify groups if rates go up more than 10%)

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