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If Obamacare is so bad....

fmw said:
Why would you cite an article about Medicare and apply it to the ACA? Apparently you didn't read the article.
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Because the ACA reformed Medicare as part of its overall effort to reform health care quality and delivery.

Might want to take a gander at Title III ("Improving the Quality and Efficiency of Health Care") of the ACA.
 
Greenbeard said:
Because the ACA reformed Medicare as part of its overall effort to reform health care quality and delivery.
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No it didn't. Perhaps it wanted to but it didn't.

Might want to take a gander at Title III ("Improving the Quality and Efficiency of Health Care") of the ACA.
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No thanks. Actions speak louder than words
 
sangha said:
So then why cant the republicans come up with a better plan than Obamacare?

The cowardly right constantly tries to duck the question with distracting rants about liberals, but the fact remains that for all the hot air bloviating in your post, you have proven yourself incapable of answering the OPs question
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They are, you just aren't paying attention. I gave you the link which you and Vern will always ignore. The Democrats are too busy trying to stop Cabinet positions so they can claim the Republicans aren't doing anything and you eat it up. You and Vern are two of a kind
 
Vern said:
Oh Con, your hilarious and silly deflections not only come across as desperate and dishonest but they only prove my point. Its why you have to try to dishonestly and desperately deflect.
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yes, Vern you are an expert on dishonesty ignoring the link I gave you, ignoring the results of the election, ignoring just about anything that points out how dishonest you are on every issue simply looking for and getting attention. The only dishonesty here is coming from you
 
Greenbeard said:
What's so great about that? A 24% drop in the number of Americans having problems paying medical bills since 2011. Drops in uncompensated care and improvements in financial performance for safety net hospitals.

But given how concerned you are about the remaining uninsured, I'm sure you'll demand the GOP "replacement" offers no less than 100% universal coverage.




Not quite. It's savings lives and preventing adverse medical events as hospitals improve patient safety, and it's preventing avoidable hospital readmissions.

Meanwhile, accountable care organizations have had a more pronounced impact on quality than savings thus far.
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yes and most of those came from Medicaid, not ACA but that fact escapes you just like the fact that the 11% uninsured is 33 million and as the population continues to grow so do the number of uninsured. What bothers me is you believe that the Federal Taxpayers fund health costs for the uninsured just like you believe having insurance increases the quality of health care. That is leftwing ignorance
 
fmw said:
Why would you cite an article about Medicare and apply it to the ACA? Apparently you didn't read the article.
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Because headlines are more important that the article content
 
Conservative said:
yes, Vern you are an expert on dishonesty ignoring the link I gave you, ignoring the results of the election, ignoring just about anything that points out how dishonest you are on every issue simply looking for and getting attention. The only dishonesty here is coming from you
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Vern has always ignored everyone else's facts but his own. He is at or near the top of the list for dishonest debating.
 
Greenbeard said:
Are you joking? It's hard to fathom that someone could be this uninformed after seven years.
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keep reading those leftwing headlines and ignoring the content of the article. ACA had absolutely nothing to do with Medicare but did expand Medicaid. You don't know the difference
 
Moderate Right said:
Vern has always ignored everyone else's facts but his own. He is at or near the top of the list for dishonest debating.
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He sure gets everyone's attention which is probably his goal in the first place. He really doesn't care about honesty as long as people communicate with him. I know he will eventually get around to explaining the 2016 elections and how the Obama legacy and economic results were validated with the Democrat control of the Congress and WH
 
Conservative said:
ACA had absolutely nothing to do with Medicare
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Except for the entire title of it dedicated to reforming the Medicare program.

The hundreds of ACOs (and millions of covered lives in them), the readmissions reduction program, the value-based purchasing program, and so on and so on.

All thing things that apparently don't exist simply because you've never heard of them! Meanwhile Medicare spending growth has hit all time lows. What a mysterious turn of events.
 
Greenbeard said:
Except for the entire title of it dedicated to reforming the Medicare program.

The hundreds of ACOs (and millions of covered lives in them), the readmissions reduction program, the value-based purchasing program, and so on and so on.

All thing things that apparently don't exist simply because you've never heard of them! Meanwhile Medicare spending growth has hit all time lows. What a mysterious turn of events.
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ACA had absolutely nothing to do with Medicare it affected Medicaid, NOT MEDICARE. Millions still left uninsured, premiums up, exchanges bankrupt and now it is all about what the Republicans haven't done in 3 weeks. Why do the Republicans have to do anything since you believe this is such a great program? Isn't it still in effect with the Republicans working on a replacement? Have you lost anything in the last three weeks? When was the Head of HHS confirmed by the Senate and isn't ACA within the scope of ACA??
 
fmw said:
Why would you cite an article about Medicare and apply it to the ACA?
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Maybe it has something to do with how PPACA has more pages of legislation devoted to Medicare than it does to the state exchanges.

Apparently you didn't read the article.
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Apparently, you neither read, nor understood, the law we are discussing
 
Conservative said:
They are, you just aren't paying attention. I gave you the link which you and Vern will always ignore. The Democrats are too busy trying to stop Cabinet positions so they can claim the Republicans aren't doing anything and you eat it up. You and Vern are two of a kind
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If you think anyone is going to be distracted by your nonsensical whine that neither you or any republicans can come up wiith a plan better than Obamacare until the democrats confirm Trumps cabinet, then you are just fooling yourself.

You have had 8 years to come up with a plan. You failed and you will continue to fail because the right does not have a clue about how to fix the health care system, nor do they want to.
 
Conservative said:
Millions still left uninsured, premiums up, exchanges bankrupt
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No one is fooled by your fake concern for the uninsured, rising premums and exchanges. If you were not posting so dishonestly, you would have come up with a plan for fixing these problems. Instead, all you have done is whine

and now it is all about what the Republicans haven't done in 3 weeks.
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An honest poster would not pretend that health care has only been an issue for 3 weeks

Conservative said:
By the way, thanks for the 2013 article as it is now 2017 and what did the election results tell you about ACA??
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I see you are still dishonestly pretending this thread is about something other than the complete failure of right wingers such as yourself to come up with a plan that is better than Obamacare
 
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sangha said:
If you think anyone is going to be distracted by your nonsensical whine that neither you or any republicans can come up wiith a plan better than Obamacare until the democrats confirm Trumps cabinet, then you are just fooling yourself.

You have had 8 years to come up with a plan. You failed and you will continue to fail because the right does not have a clue about how to fix the health care system, nor do they want to.
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ignored the link I posted didn't you? You expect the Republicans to put a plan on the table without a Secretary of HHS approving it? Looks to me like a plan was put on the table on January 4 but then again you are too busy protesting Trump on other issues to notice.
 
sangha said:
it must be leftwing.....it posts facts
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No, it posts opinions, the issue is ACA not Medicare as the intent may be there but there was no changes to Medicare. And I am not fooled by your desire to have a single payer with the federal bureaucrats that created the 20 trillion in debt controlling the system. I also am not fooled by your lack of concern for quality vs just buying votes
 
Conservative said:
ignored the link I posted didn't you? You expect the Republicans to put a plan on the table without a Secretary of HHS approving it?
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Yes, I do.

It is completely dishonest for you to argue that a republican cant propose a bill unless they get approval from the presidents cabinet.

And just as dishonest for you to make that pitiful argument in a lame attempt to distract attention from the complete failure of right wingers, such as yourself, to offer a plan that is better than Obamacare.
 
Conservative said:
but there was no changes to Medicare.
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Yes, there were. Entire evaluations have been done of the ACA's changes to Medicare at this point. Results that have already been posted in this very thread.
 
sangha said:
Yes, I do.

It is completely dishonest for you to argue that a republican cant propose a bill unless they get approval from the presidents cabinet.

And just as dishonest for you to make that pitiful argument in a lame attempt to distract attention from the complete failure of right wingers, such as yourself, to offer a plan that is better than Obamacare.
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No what is amazing is that you want to Republicans to put a program in place to replace a program you support and one that is in place. that is illogical and simply leftwing BS to give you something else to protest Trump for. You are ignoring that ACA is in place, You are ignoring that the GOP put a plan on the table on January 4 and that the Trump has only been in office 3 weeks. I gave you a list of his EO's in another thread which of course you want to ignore because all you want to do is create more doubt about Trump and the GOP Congress without truly giving them a chance. The election is over, you lost, get over it
 
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