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From WashPo: The GOP is at its peak, but conservatism has hit rock bottom

chromium said:
I agree that conservatism has become irrelevant even as its supposed representatives take power. They have absolutely no vision, other than to enable the mega rich to become even richer. That party offers nothing whatsoever to empower those they were elected to serve
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Isn't this why Hillary lost?
 
Nap said:
Trump is a New York Democrat that has hijacked the Republican party. Honestly though it has been awhile since there was an actual conservative President. True conservatives typically get voted out in primaries. This is one of the reasons there were so many #NeverTrump people, there is a growing conservative movement and many are afraid he will set us back (similar to Bush for the Rs and Obama did for Ds). One screw up and all of the gains the Republicans have made during the Obama administration could be swiped out from under them.
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The far right of the party has been getting smaller, not larger. We've had three presidential primaries in a row electing McCain, Romney, and now Trump. A far righty is never going to be on the top spot unless something happens to Trump and Pence takes over.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Obviously somebody got their feelings hurt being informed of where truth meets reality.
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I do not care about your feelings.

Ok, since you put it in this manner
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No, you put it in that manner. I only showed you how uneducated that was.

and all would include ALL, regale us about the vast improvements wrought by the North Korean regime, and Venezuela under Chavez then Nicolas Maduro.
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You are only betraying a total lack of understanding of the issue, which of course is not surprising in the least. Pleas have it explained to you that particular aberrations do not negate entire principles. You referred to capitalism in general and of course that was simply stupid.

Sorry, am not going to go in that direction
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You are not going in any direction, but demonstrating partisan ignorance.

and We the American people have decided
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:lamo:lamo:lamo Last I looked "we the American people" did not abandon our land but remain here and participate instead of paying it lip service from a distance.

not to let you and yours drag us there either because those two examples are more akin to where you folks want us to go.
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Partisan ignorance never makes a good argument. Fact remains that you have no clue about anything but clearly are more than willing to make up crap.

We are not suicidal, however.
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Nobody said you were, but there are many many more applicable attributes.
Who is being denied? Be explicit/specific.

We all want improvement, but some of us don't sit around a bitch all the time
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Right, you actually left.

Some of us understand history
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Riiiiight, you so well have demonstrated that...
 
Oh lookie...it's time for another Lafayette 'tax those heartless, rich American, right wing, bastards' thread.

Anytime you start putting down huge groups of people feel - even though you probably know few/none of them personally - you are just spewing forth bile, imo. There are naughty Reps AND naughty Dems. But most from both 'sides' are decent people.

All Republicans are not one way and all Democrats are not another way. They are all people with VERY similar wants and desires. They just believe in different routes to obtain those wants and desires.
 
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Moderate Right said:
Like I said, you can't compare state government to federal government. Might as well compare apples to car tires.
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You can make whatever excuse will make you happy.
But lets pretend you're right(you aren't), why are you advocating of the gutting of this nations red states? Do you really hate fellow man that much?
 
Nap said:
Trump is a New York Democrat that has hijacked the Republican party. Honestly though it has been awhile since there was an actual conservative President. True conservatives typically get voted out in primaries. This is one of the reasons there were so many #NeverTrump people, there is a growing conservative movement and many are afraid he will set us back (similar to Bush for the Rs and Obama did for Ds). One screw up and all of the gains the Republicans have made during the Obama administration could be swiped out from under them.
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Jonah Goldberg has addressed his "NeverTrumperism":

What I have chiefly in mind is that rich nexus of unrestrained ego, impoverished impulse control and contempt for policy due diligence. I firmly and passionately believe that character is destiny. From his reported refusal to accept daily intelligence briefings to his freelancing every issue under the sun on Twitter -- including, most recently, nuclear arms policy -- Trump's blase attitude troubles me deeply, just as it did during the campaign.

On balance, I don't feel repentant. But I acknowledge that Trump has surrounded himself with some serious and sober-minded people who will try to constrain and contain the truly dangerous aspects of his character. If they succeed, I'll happily revisit my refusal to ask for forgiveness. Does a 'Never Trumper' Need to Be Forgiven? - Jonah Goldberg
 
Fruityfact said:
You can make whatever excuse will make you happy.
But lets pretend you're right(you aren't), why are you advocating of the gutting of this nations red states? Do you really hate fellow man that much?
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I don't think you worded that correctly. If we assume that I am right then I am not advocating the gutting of red states.
 
Moderate Right said:
The far right of the party has been getting smaller, not larger. We've had three presidential primaries in a row electing McCain, Romney, and now Trump. A far righty is never going to be on the top spot unless something happens to Trump and Pence takes over.
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Someone that actually believes in the reduction of a bloated government rather than just lip service is a far righty?
 
Nap said:
Someone that actually believes in the reduction of a bloated government rather than just lip service is a far righty?
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Just stating a fact. The Republican voters elected two Rinos and a populist to be the last three nominees. The Republican voters aren't going to elect anyone that is a "far righty" obstructionist who is willing to default on the debt and close the government down in order to get their way. Hell, even Reagan and both Bushes would be called Rinos by the "far righties".
 
Moderate Right said:
Just stating a fact. The Republican voters elected two Rinos and a populist to be the last three nominees. The Republican voters aren't going to elect anyone that is a "far righty" obstructionist who is willing to default on the debt and close the government down in order to get their way. Hell, even Reagan and both Bushes would be called Rinos by the "far righties".
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I'm just sick of Republicans saying one thing, railing against Democrats then doing the exact same thing they do when they get in office. I won't lie Trump's cabinet picks give me some hope he may actually do some of the stuff he ran on but I just have a hard time believing him. Honestly, as long as he picks conservative judges , stays away from the gun control people, and doesn't start any wars I will consider him a success.
 
prometeus said:
I do not care about your feelings.

No, you put it in that manner. I only showed you how uneducated that was.

You are only betraying a total lack of understanding of the issue, which of course is not surprising in the least. Pleas have it explained to you that particular aberrations do not negate entire principles. You referred to capitalism in general and of course that was simply stupid.

You are not going in any direction, but demonstrating partisan ignorance.

:lamo:lamo:lamo Last I looked "we the American people" did not abandon our land but remain here and participate instead of paying it lip service from a distance.

Partisan ignorance never makes a good argument. Fact remains that you have no clue about anything but clearly are more than willing to make up crap.

Nobody said you were, but there are many many more applicable attributes.
Who is being denied? Be explicit/specific.

Right, you actually left.

Riiiiight, you so well have demonstrated that...
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Its not my feelings, ha ha ha, ya know?

And simply no, YOU put it into those terms and I am simply holding you to your careless wording. All means ALL. That you walk it back is absolute confirmation and no muddying of the waters is going to hide the fact.

At the very same time YES, I said capitalism in general, AND specifically, has brought the world the great abundance, the increased standards of living and life spans across the board. Those who partake benefit. Those that don't and who believe in the regimes like North Korea, harm their peoples. North Koreans are, on average, a full three inches shorter than their South Korean cousins, just as a stark example of the two systems side by side.

But you would have to be keeping up with human and world events to be aware. Just so its said, you advocate going in the direction more towards NK style... I am SK all the way.

Along with the other unConstitutional crimes committed by the current regime, on principle I could not/would not EVER be forced by my government to obtain a good or service I absolutely did NOT ask for or want. I was certainly not going to encourage this anti-constitutionalism and I was able to avoid that by going outside the borders of my country. I did not renounce my citizenship, I love my country and have been sickened by what your side under O bomb a was doing to our reputation, our culture and the aspersions cast upon our heritage. And I fight back with the powers that I have, my voice, my observations, my ability to persuade the logical mind and identify bad approaches such as your own and, when in the position, my vote.

What were YOU doing to fight this scourge? Yeah, that was rhetorical. We all know, you were encouraging those ills, not fighting them.

Oh, and I noticed that you did not answer who was being denied, either specifically or generally, you slipped it in unanswered like a card shark when shuffling the deck.

What does me leaving have to do with anything, btw? Are you jealous, are you frantic that I could not be controlled, that I will not do the will of the centralized, I will not jump just because they say jump? Seems to hurt your feelings that some of us want to remain individuals, some of us do not want our spirits broken... and are willing to fight back rather than be consumed/subsumed into a cesspool of your side's creation.

Ha ha ha, with degrees in History and Political Science, not to mention my more than adequately sizable library almost solely comprised upon the two, I think comparatively you haven't proven to be much of a Sherlock type assessing the clues when it comes to either. Not yet. We can all hope there is better in store, but while I am a positive person, I rather doubt it will ever come to pass.

Good luck with that.
 
Nap said:
I'm just sick of Republicans saying one thing, railing against Democrats then doing the exact same thing they do when they get in office. I won't lie Trump's cabinet picks give me some hope he may actually do some of the stuff he ran on but I just have a hard time believing him. Honestly, as long as he picks conservative judges , stays away from the gun control people, and doesn't start any wars I will consider him a success.
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I think so so many of us are in complete agreement. We vote these Republicans and so called conservatives in and so often they disappoint. We are all sick of it.

So, with Trump going against the establishments of BOTH parties, which I would argue are actually one and the same beast, against an irretrievably corrupt media I, too, began to have hope and will keep on Trump to do as he says and not slip into the same old same old...knock on wood and for those that pray, please do so as we need that kind of help...
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
I think so so many of us are in complete agreement. We vote these Republicans and so called conservatives in and so often they disappoint. We are all sick of it.

So, with Trump going against the establishments of BOTH parties, which I would argue are actually one and the same beast, against an irretrievably corrupt media I, too, began to have hope and will keep on Trump to do as he says and not slip into the same old same old...knock on wood and for those that pray, please do so as we need that kind of help...
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This is what upsets me the most about this election. We had the perfect opportunity to tell both parties where to stick it and yet still a 3rd party didn't take advantage of it.

I have been listening to the Rubin Report a good bit lately and he brings up some very good point about kicking out the fringes of the left and right and creating a new centrist party.
 
Nap said:
This is what upsets me the most about this election. We had the perfect opportunity to tell both parties where to stick it and yet still a 3rd party didn't take advantage of it.

I have been listening to the Rubin Report a good bit lately and he brings up some very good point about kicking out the fringes of the left and right and creating a new centrist party.
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I'll sign up for that. I think many things came into play for a perfect storm in this election. The fact that both candidates were so terribly horrible actually fired up both of their bases in an attempt to make sure the other side's horrible candidate didn't win, nullifying any chance of a third party winning.
 
Moderate Right said:
I'll sign up for that. I think many things came into play for a perfect storm in this election. The fact that both candidates were so terribly horrible actually fired up both of their bases in an attempt to make sure the other side's horrible candidate didn't win, nullifying any chance of a third party winning.
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True, I didn't think about. Even I considered voting Trump purely on not getting Hillary in there so can see how that could explain that.
 
Nap said:
This is what upsets me the most about this election. We had the perfect opportunity to tell both parties where to stick it and yet still a 3rd party didn't take advantage of it.

I have been listening to the Rubin Report a good bit lately and he brings up some very good point about kicking out the fringes of the left and right and creating a new centrist party.
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I DO think we have a lot of overlap where good folks from both parties agree. But some things just cannot be agreed upon. An example, you cannot half abort a child.

What we need do is accomplish together what we can agree upon and go back and forth forever [ as hardly anybody changes their mind on the hardcore issues] and see saw up and down on the others.

I do often like the Rubin Reports I have seen as well. He seems pretty balanced seeing the good and bad in both parties. I think he is right, for example, about the regressive left.
 
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