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Trump: the businessman president

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I would argue that President-Elect Trump is the most business oriented president-elect in recent history.

He just announced that he wanted to cancel an order for a new $4billion Air Force One that he claims is too expensive.

He's also notorious for avoiding his intelligence briefings.

"Every president I know, and I worked under nine presidents, every one has taken their intelligence daily brief because that sets the agenda for what you have to focus on as president of the United States." ~Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta

And it seems that work is being delegated to Pence and/or others because it is allegedly not interesting.

What it looks like to me is that President-Elect Trump is focusing on cutting costs and delegating work to others. I think it is a very risky thing for the people to be represented by an absentee leader. He doesn't care about national security?

What say you?
 
I question how Panetta knows what Trump is getting at this point. I have no problem with Trump talking about the outrageous price of the new Air Force One. Everyone knows that private companies charge way more to the government than to the private sector simply because the government doesn't care how much they need to pay cause they see it as almost unlimited funds.
 
Presidenta and their previous proffesions:

1) George Washington - Land Surveyor, Farmer/plantation owner, Soldier (Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army)
2) John Adams - Lawyer, Farmer
3) Thomas Jefferson - Land Surveyor, Writer, Inventor, Lawyer, Architect, Farmer/Plantation owner, Diplomat, Linguist, Theologian
4) James Madison - Farmer/plantation owner
5) James Monroe - Farmer/plantation owner, Lawyer
6) John Quincy Adams - Lawyer
7) Andrew Jackson - Soldier (Major General), Lawyer
8) Martin Van Buren - Lawyer
9) William Harrison - Soldier
10) John Tyler - Lawyer
11) James Polk - Lawyer, Plantation owner
12) Zachary Taylor - Soldier (Army Major General)
13) Millard Fillmore - Lawyer
14) Franklin Pierce - Lawyer
15) James Buchanan - Lawyer, Diplomat
16) Abraham Lincoln - Land Surveyor, Lawyer
17) Andrew Johnson - Soldier, Tailor
18) Ulysses Grant - Soldier, General of the Army
19) Rutherford Hayes - Lawyer
20) James Garfield - School teacher, minister, soldier
21) Chester Arthur - School teacher, lawyer, collector of tariffs
22) Grover Cleveland - Sheriff, lawyer, assistant teacher
23) Benjamin Harrison - Lawyer, journalist
24) Grover Cleveland - Sheriff, lawyer, assistant teacher
25) William McKinley - Lawyer, Soldier
26) Theodore Roosevelt - Public Official, Rancher, Soldier
27) William Taft - Lawyer, judge, law reporter, dean of law school at the University of Cincinnati
28) Woodrow Wilson - Lawyer, professor, president of Princeton University
29) Warren Harding - Newspaper publisher/editor
30) Calvin Coolidge - Lawyer, Public Official, Vice President of Northampton Savings Bank
31) Herbert Hoover - Engineer, Investor
32) Franklin Roosevelt - Lawyer
33) Harry Truman - Farmer, Soldier, haberdasher
34) Dwight Eisenhower - Soldier (General of the Army), President of Columbia University
35) John F. Kennedy - Writer, Sailor (Navy Lieutenant)
36) Lyndon Johnson - Teacher, Public Official
37) Richard Nixon - Lawyer, Sailor (Navy Lieutenant Commander)
38) Gerald Ford - Football Player, Sailor (Navy Lieutenant Commander), Lawyer
39) Jimmy Carter - Sailor (Navy Lieutenant), Peanut Farmer, Writer
40) Ronald Reagan - Actor & broadcaster, President of the Screen Actors Guild
41) George H. W. Bush - Pilot (Navy Lieutenant, Junior Grade), Businessman (Oil), C.I.A. Director, Ambassador to China.
42) Bill Clinton - Lawyer, Law lecturer
43) George W. Bush - Pilot (Texas Air National Guard), Businessman (Oil, Baseball)
44) Barack Obama - Community Organizer, Lawyer. Lecturer (informally considered by some to be a professor), Children's Author

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_occupation
 
I would argue that President-Elect Trump is the most business oriented president-elect in recent history.

He just announced that he wanted to cancel an order for a new $4billion Air Force One that he claims is too expensive.

He's also notorious for avoiding his intelligence briefings.

"Every president I know, and I worked under nine presidents, every one has taken their intelligence daily brief because that sets the agenda for what you have to focus on as president of the United States." ~Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta

And it seems that work is being delegated to Pence and/or others because it is allegedly not interesting.

What it looks like to me is that President-Elect Trump is focusing on cutting costs and delegating work to others. I think it is a very risky thing for the people to be represented by an absentee leader. He doesn't care about national security?

What say you?

Expecting the POTUS, much less a POTUS elect, to be personally involved at anything but trusting the millions federal executive underlings to be managed by others and trusting his close staff to keep him abreast of only the most urgent of matters is exactly what I expect. When you find yourself personally quite busy and up to your ass in alligators then it is very hard to remember that the mission was simply to drain the swamp.
 
Expecting the POTUS, much less a POTUS elect, to be personally involved at anything but trusting the millions federal executive underlings to be managed by others and trusting his close staff to keep him abreast of only the most urgent of matters is exactly what I expect. When you find yourself personally quite busy and up to your ass in alligators then it is very hard to remember that the mission was simply to drain the swamp.

My concern is that he's not bothering to keep himself abreast of urgent matters. Those briefings are for exactly that.

I want to feel like my president cares about the people enough to muster the interest to stay up to date on issues of national security.
 
I would argue that President-Elect Trump is the most business oriented president-elect in recent history.

He just announced that he wanted to cancel an order for a new $4billion Air Force One that he claims is too expensive.

He's also notorious for avoiding his intelligence briefings.

"Every president I know, and I worked under nine presidents, every one has taken their intelligence daily brief because that sets the agenda for what you have to focus on as president of the United States." ~Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta

And it seems that work is being delegated to Pence and/or others because it is allegedly not interesting.

What it looks like to me is that President-Elect Trump is focusing on cutting costs and delegating work to others. I think it is a very risky thing for the people to be represented by an absentee leader. He doesn't care about national security?

What say you?

Ask me again when he's the President.
 
I would argue that President-Elect Trump is the most business oriented president-elect in recent history.

He just announced that he wanted to cancel an order for a new $4billion Air Force One that he claims is too expensive.

He's also notorious for avoiding his intelligence briefings.

"Every president I know, and I worked under nine presidents, every one has taken their intelligence daily brief because that sets the agenda for what you have to focus on as president of the United States." ~Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta

And it seems that work is being delegated to Pence and/or others because it is allegedly not interesting.

What it looks like to me is that President-Elect Trump is focusing on cutting costs and delegating work to others. I think it is a very risky thing for the people to be represented by an absentee leader. He doesn't care about national security?

What say you?

It actually makes sense. Let the experts deal with what they are good at while Trump does his thing--branding.
 
You can't address whether you want a president who delegates knowledge to underlings until he's the president?

No.

What he does now as President-Elect is not a concrete indication of what he'll do...or not do...as President. The best anyone can do at this point is to guess. I decline to guess.
 
You can't address whether you want a president who delegates knowledge to underlings until he's the president?

You probably haven't had a training in leadership so let me help.

https://projects.ncsu.edu/project/parkprgrd/PSTrainingModules/delegating/delsec1.htm
Why Delegation is Important

Delegation is important for 1) efficiency and 2) development. As shown in the introduction to the module, the chairman of the senior retreat committee involved his committee. This involvement led not only to the team’s efficiency, but also to the contribution of every team member, increasing everyone’s development.
Why should leaders delegate?
Delegation is one of the most important management skills for leaders. The benefits are huge, both for the leader, for staff, and for the organization. We've created a short delegation cheatsheet or helpcard where we've outlined the purposes, and benefits of delegation in addition to teaching you how to do it properly.
https://hbr.org/2012/07/why-arent-you-delegating
You have way too much to do, you’re buried in work, and it seems there’s no way out from under it all. But there is: delegation. Yes, yes, you know it’s important to do and you know it will save you time and help others develop new skills. So why aren’t you doing it?

What the Experts Say
Delegation is a critical skill. “Your most important task as a leader is to teach people how to think and ask the right questions so that the world doesn’t go to hell if you take a day off,” says Jeffrey Pfeffer, the Thomas D. Dee II Professor of Organizational Behavior at Stanford University’s Graduate School of Business and author of What Were They Thinking?: Unconventional Wisdom About Management. Delegation benefits managers, direct reports, and organizations. Yet it remains one of the most underutilized and underdeveloped management capabilities. A 2007 study on time management found that close to half of the 332 companies surveyed were concerned about their employees’ delegation skills. At the same time, only 28% of those companies offered any training on the topic. “Most people will tell you they are too busy to delegate — that it’s more efficient for them to just do it themselves,” says Carol Walker, the president of Prepared to Lead, a consulting firm that focuses on developing young leaders. But both Walker and Pfeffer agree that it’s time to drop the excuses. Here’s how.
 

I understand that delegating work is valuable.

However, i don't think it's worth it to skip national security briefings to make time to, for example, watch SNL and then whine about SNL on twitter. Do you, and if so, can you please help me understand your reasoning?
 
I understand that delegating work is valuable.

However, i don't think it's worth it to skip national security briefings to make time to, for example, watch SNL and then whine about SNL on twitter. Do you, and if so, can you please help me understand your reasoning?

Obama skipped a lot of briefings. Trump doesn't have any authority to take any action until he is sworn in. Delegating the responsibility to Pence at this point is entirely reasonable. If Pence thinks any issues that need to be addressed then he will direct them to Trump.
 
I would argue that President-Elect Trump is the most business oriented president-elect in recent history.

He just announced that he wanted to cancel an order for a new $4billion Air Force One that he claims is too expensive.

He's also notorious for avoiding his intelligence briefings.

"Every president I know, and I worked under nine presidents, every one has taken their intelligence daily brief because that sets the agenda for what you have to focus on as president of the United States." ~Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta

And it seems that work is being delegated to Pence and/or others because it is allegedly not interesting.

What it looks like to me is that President-Elect Trump is focusing on cutting costs and delegating work to others. I think it is a very risky thing for the people to be represented by an absentee leader. He doesn't care about national security?

What say you?

I don't have a problem with it. Great leaders are great delegators. Right now he's focusing on putting together his team. If he's carving out an unconventional role for his Vice President, I can't say I have a problem with that.

Your constant criticism of the leadership style of DT is noted. No matter what the man does his detractors will spin it to a negative. Gets sooo tiring.
 
Obama skipped a lot of briefings. Trump doesn't have any authority to take any action until he is sworn in. Delegating the responsibility to Pence at this point is entirely reasonable. If Pence thinks any issues that need to be addressed then he will direct them to Trump.

Then it sounds like you're expecting him to attend these briefings and remain involved at some point, is that right?

I don't have a problem with it. Great leaders are great delegators. Right now he's focusing on putting together his team. If he's carving out an unconventional role for his Vice President, I can't say I have a problem with that.

Your constant criticism of the leadership style of DT is noted. No matter what the man does his detractors will spin it to a negative. Gets sooo tiring.

I guess i don't really see it as a leadership style, so much as a delegation of leadership. I see a good leader as having a solid birds eye view, not as being blind to the issues.

I don't see this as spin, at all. I see him taking on a businessman style of leadership: cut costs (profit gains in short term), delegate work, etc. I don't think this is what the American public voted for: they wanted someone who would find and address their issues, not someone who would sweep them under the rug.
 
Does trump not know that the VP has set duties as do the other heads of office, oh and that includes the President, their duties cannot be delegated in many cases because it is not within their job description. Oh and before you jump up and say trump will simply change the rules I will remind you that is not one of the Presidents prerogatives, so he is going to have to do his entire job, like it or not, that was what he was elected to do.
 
I would argue that President-Elect Trump is the most business oriented president-elect in recent history.

He just announced that he wanted to cancel an order for a new $4billion Air Force One that he claims is too expensive.

He's also notorious for avoiding his intelligence briefings.

"Every president I know, and I worked under nine presidents, every one has taken their intelligence daily brief because that sets the agenda for what you have to focus on as president of the United States." ~Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta

And it seems that work is being delegated to Pence and/or others because it is allegedly not interesting.

What it looks like to me is that President-Elect Trump is focusing on cutting costs and delegating work to others. I think it is a very risky thing for the people to be represented by an absentee leader. He doesn't care about national security?

What say you?

In what capacity did you work under nine presidents?

As for Trump, I've warned about him getting his ego back. That's all it is.

He is going to pout his agenda in the US first and treat everything else as secondary.

Michael Moore accurately predicted how and why Trump would win and he has also predicted that Trump won't go the four years; can you see that prediction is accurate as well?
 
In what capacity did you work under nine presidents?

As for Trump, I've warned about him getting his ego back. That's all it is.

He is going to pout his agenda in the US first and treat everything else as secondary.

Michael Moore accurately predicted how and why Trump would win and he has also predicted that Trump won't go the four years; can you see that prediction is accurate as well?

That was a quote from Leon Panetta.

I think President-Elect Trump will be in the white house for four years. I think he could delegate all the work to Pence and goof off if he wants to. What i hope is that he elects not to.
 
That was a quote from Leon Panetta.

I think President-Elect Trump will be in the white house for four years. I think he could delegate all the work to Pence and goof off if he wants to. What i hope is that he elects not to.

Yeah, well, we'll see what happens. I'm just glad the the radical right finally has a chance to show everybody what they're really made of and how they're going to cure all our ills.
 
I don't have a problem with it. Great leaders are great delegators. Right now he's focusing on putting together his team. If he's carving out an unconventional role for his Vice President, I can't say I have a problem with that.

Your constant criticism of the leadership style of DT is noted. No matter what the man does his detractors will spin it to a negative. Gets sooo tiring.

Well detractors are created, not born. The Republican congress if you'll recall was going to make Obama a one term president, so what's good for the goose is good for that gander - right?
 
Then it sounds like you're expecting him to attend these briefings and remain involved at some point, is that right?



I guess i don't really see it as a leadership style, so much as a delegation of leadership. I see a good leader as having a solid birds eye view, not as being blind to the issues.

I don't see this as spin, at all. I see him taking on a businessman style of leadership: cut costs (profit gains in short term), delegate work, etc. I don't think this is what the American public voted for: they wanted someone who would find and address their issues, not someone who would sweep them under the rug.

The only reason you made this thread is because you're disappointed that your castration was in vain because Clinton lost.
 
I have a feeling Trump will be such a weak President that PENCE and the GOP will basically hijack the Presidency...
 
The only reason you made this thread is because you're disappointed that your castration was in vain because Clinton lost.

Nope, i just wonder what kind of president he will be and what you guys think of how he's preparing himself.
 
Does trump not know that the VP has set duties as do the other heads of office, oh and that includes the President, their duties cannot be delegated in many cases because it is not within their job description. Oh and before you jump up and say trump will simply change the rules I will remind you that is not one of the Presidents prerogatives, so he is going to have to do his entire job, like it or not, that was what he was elected to do.

A VP's job is to break ties in the Senate and take over when a president is incapacitated.

Any "set duties" are a figment of your imagination.
 
Then it sounds like you're expecting him to attend these briefings and remain involved at some point, is that right?

I would but we aren't at that point.
 
Does trump not know that the VP has set duties as do the other heads of office, oh and that includes the President, their duties cannot be delegated in many cases because it is not within their job description. Oh and before you jump up and say trump will simply change the rules I will remind you that is not one of the Presidents prerogatives, so he is going to have to do his entire job, like it or not, that was what he was elected to do.

Do you have a list of those duties?
 
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