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Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump

Birdzeye said:
What's unreasonable about expecting him to keep it up?
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Rather than ****ting yourself over the man SAVING jobs, would it kill you to say..."huh...OK...well played. Good luck keeping it up! We can sure use the jobs!"?
 
Not a huge fan of the president working out deals with individual businesses like this. It's probably not a good idea to incentivize businesses to threaten to outsource jobs in order to get concessions from the government. And this is unfortunately close to picking winners and losers.

Kind of agree with Representative Amash here.

Not the president(-elect)'s job. We live in a constitutional republic, not an autocracy. Business-specific meddling shouldn't be normalized.
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If Trump wants to change the tax and regulatory laws of the U.S. to make it more attractive for businesses to stay here, then that's a whole different matter.
 
VanceMack said:
You must have missed Ford Motor Companies announcement.

Twice...before he has been even inaugurated. Pray tell...what has the Obama administration done during the time it was announced the plant would be relocating?
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Are you referring to the Ford plant that Trump took credit for keeping in Kentucky instead of moving to Mexico? Never mind that Ford wasn't moving it in the first place?
 
Anagram said:
Not a huge fan of the president working out deals with individual businesses like this. It's probably not a good idea to incentivize businesses to threaten to outsource jobs in order to get concessions from the government. And this is unfortunately close to picking winners and losers.

Kind of agree with Representative Amash here.

If Trump wants to change the tax and regulatory laws of the U.S. to make it more attractive for businesses to stay here, then that's a whole different matter.
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Amash is a little slow on the uptake. He should start reading all those amendments added to those bills he is passing sometime.
 
Henrin said:
Amash is a little slow on the uptake. He should start reading all those amendments added to those bills he is passing sometime.
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Very true that this is hardly the first time this has happened. Amash has been pretty consistently against it though.
 
iguanaman said:
Trump did not even save HALF of the 2100 jobs at stake and the cost is still unknown. I thought we did not negotiate with terrorists? His actions will only serve to make more companies threaten to go off shore so they can reap the benefits.
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Terrorists? *smh*
 
azgreg said:
Are you referring to the Ford plant that Trump took credit for keeping in Kentucky instead of moving to Mexico? Never mind that Ford wasn't moving it in the first place?
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Was Ford moving their production line of a vehicle to mejico? Did they change their mind and announce they would be keeping those jobs in the US? Did Ford Motor Company address their decision to change their mind and cite their conversations with Trump as their reason?
 
I have not been able to find anything other than speculation about what actually was offered to carrier in exchange for keeping the jobs, other than a 7M package from the State of Indiana. Secondly, any deal regarding favors or tax breaks would have to be approved by Congress. For that matter, that supposed 7M incentive package from Indiana is not something Mike Pence can offer without passage by the state legislature.

I think more than likely the deal was more like this: Trump promised that he will attempt to create some tax breaks and incentives at the federal level for all businesses, offset by some threats regarding federal contracts and import tariffs. He probably just informed them of what he intends to do- and the same with Trump- as neither can actually deliver any of this without support of the respective legislature.
 
VanceMack said:
Was Ford moving their production line of a vehicle to mejico? Did they change their mind and announce they would be keeping those jobs in the US? Did Ford Motor Company address their decision to change their mind and cite their conversations with Trump as their reason?
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Ford CEO: Donald Trump is wrong about Mexico - Sep. 15, 2016

Ford CEO Mark Fields says GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump is completely wrong when he says that Ford plans to move its U.S. operations to Mexico, or even shift future investment outside the country.
"It's really unfortunate when politics get in the way of the facts," he said Thursday in an exclusive interview with CNN's Poppy Harlow.
Asked if Ford would cut any U.S. jobs as part of its plans to build a new plant in Mexico, he responded; "Absolutely not. Zero. Not one job will be lost. Most of our investment is here in the US. And that's the way it will continue to be."
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Birdzeye said:
The Ford claim was debunked. Trump Win Prompts Ford to Move Manufacturing from Mexico to Ohio : snopes.com
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:lamo

Snopes....geeeezus...if you havent figured out yet that SNOPES is a leftist propoganda site with zero credibility....

What did the FORD executives say?

“Today, we confirmed with the President-elect that our small Lincoln utility vehicle made at the Louisville Assembly Plant will stay in Kentucky. We are encouraged that President-elect Trump and the new Congress will pursue policies that will improve U.S. competitiveness and make it possible to keep production of this vehicle here in the United States.”

Again...why are you so invested in your hatred that you lack the simple grace to say..."huh...well played. Good luck keeping it up."?

Theres an old saying..."we often drink poison hoping to kill our enemies". Trump is 50 days from the inauguration. IF and we can emphasize IF he is successful we will have more secure borders and a stronger economy. IF he fails miserably...blast away. But for you to be so desperate for him to fail because your pathetic partisan ideology and hatred...dood...thats just goofy.
 
azgreg said:
Ford CEO: Donald Trump is wrong about Mexico - Sep. 15, 2016
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“Today, we confirmed with the President-elect that our small Lincoln utility vehicle made at the Louisville Assembly Plant will stay in Kentucky. We are encouraged that President-elect Trump and the new Congress will pursue policies that will improve U.S. competitiveness and make it possible to keep production of this vehicle here in the United States.”
 
iguanaman said:
So you have no problem with taxpayers making up the cost difference? Socializing costs while privatizing profits is corporate socialism.
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Greetings, iguanaman, :2wave:

I can't speak for everyone, but in my case NO PROBLEM AT ALL! Perhaps if enough jobs come back, or don't leave in the first place, people now on government assistance, many through no fault of their own, which I also help pay for BTW, can find a decent paying job! I would rather my money go towards providing jobs than to keep anyone dependent upon welfare!

FDR recognized the need for a man's sense of personal worth to include being able to support his family, and By God, they loved him for creating all the alphabet agencies that enabled them to do so! Our infrastructure badly needs repairs, so if Trump has the charisma and stubbornness to do anything similar, Hooray for Him! It's sorely needed.
 
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VanceMack said:
Rather than ****ting yourself over the man SAVING jobs, would it kill you to say..."huh...OK...well played. Good luck keeping it up! We can sure use the jobs!"?
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Dont dictate to me what to say. I owe him nothing at this point, since he hasn't established a track record of ongoing efforts to keep jobs in the US or bring back jobs from elsewhere. His next move could be to persuade his daughter Ivanka to move manufacture of her fashion line to the US.
 
VanceMack said:
“Today, we confirmed with the President-elect that our small Lincoln utility vehicle made at the Louisville Assembly Plant will stay in Kentucky. We are encouraged that President-elect Trump and the new Congress will pursue policies that will improve U.S. competitiveness and make it possible to keep production of this vehicle here in the United States.”
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So trump had nothing to do with Ford jobs staying in the US.
 
VanceMack said:
“Today, we confirmed with the President-elect that our small Lincoln utility vehicle made at the Louisville Assembly Plant will stay in Kentucky. We are encouraged that President-elect Trump and the new Congress will pursue policies that will improve U.S. competitiveness and make it possible to keep production of this vehicle here in the United States.”
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My understanding of that transaction was that no jobs were saved though because although production of that vehicle was originally being moved, the factory would shift to more production of Escapes rather than getting rid of workers. I could be wrong though.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

Snopes....geeeezus...if you havent figured out yet that SNOPES is a leftist propoganda site with zero credibility....

What did the FORD executives say?

“Today, we confirmed with the President-elect that our small Lincoln utility vehicle made at the Louisville Assembly Plant will stay in Kentucky. We are encouraged that President-elect Trump and the new Congress will pursue policies that will improve U.S. competitiveness and make it possible to keep production of this vehicle here in the United States.”

Again...why are you so invested in your hatred that you lack the simple grace to say..."huh...well played. Good luck keeping it up."?

Theres an old saying..."we often drink poison hoping to kill our enemies". Trump is 50 days from the inauguration. IF and we can emphasize IF he is successful we will have more secure borders and a stronger economy. IF he fails miserably...blast away. But for you to be so desperate for him to fail because your pathetic partisan ideology and hatred...dood...thats just goofy.
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Got credible proof that Snopes is a leftist propaganda site? I remember them discrediting leftists as well.

You have a lot of nerve to lecture me on "grace" when you keep posting rude belligerent messages to me. I owe resumption nothing at this point. He hasn't shown a track record. After all the irrational hatred hurled at Obama for 8 years, you have a lot of nerve to lecture me on hatred.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Saving 1,000 jobs as was promised to do, is no longer something worthy of positive recognition, because it's Trump that did it? What a way to support growth and prosperity. We want the country to succeed and prosper, except if Trump has anything to do with it which in that case we'd rather that people lose their jobs so we have something to bitch about? Yet, the evidence shows, that we'll bitch anyway, so why not be happy about jobs being saved while finding something else to bitch about Trump, given there is a target rich environment of subjects surrounding Trump that are truly bitch worthy?

God, it's gonna to be long 4 years.
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It's going to be funny.
 
Birdzeye said:
Got credible proof that Snopes is a leftist propaganda site? I remember them discrediting leftists as well.

You have a lot of nerve to lecture me on "grace" when you keep posting rude belligerent messages to me. I owe resumption nothing at this point. He hasn't shown a track record. After all the irrational hatred hurled at Obama for 8 years, you have a lot of nerve to lecture me on hatred.
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Track record? HE IS 50 DAYS FROM EVEN BEING INAUGURATED. TWICE...TWICE there have been announcements SINCE his election with representatives of the companies themselves citing his election as their motivation for keeping jobs in the country and all you and others can do is find a way to convince yourself he has nothing to do with it.

Grace. Hell...you dont even need to say 'thank you'. Maybe just do that chin nod thing guys do.
 
Birdzeye said:
So trump had nothing to do with Ford jobs staying in the US.
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Greetings, Birdzeye. :2wave:

Huh? ...."today we confirmed with the President-elect..." sure sounds like he did! :thumbs:
 
Fiddytree said:
You know, critiquing Trump for not only "saving" those jobs and saving them by enticing the company with a tax break only serves to back up conservative claims that tax incentives work.
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Which is ultimately an empty victory to claim when revenue is slashed and everyone else pays a price somewhere else.
 
Cardinal said:
Which is ultimately an empty victory to claim when revenue is slashed and everyone else pays a price somewhere else.
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How much income tax revenue will 1000 workers generate over ten years? How much sales tax revenue will their spending generate in those 10 years?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-to-beat-donald-trump/?utm_term=.60fd157ca8e9

Donald Trump just folded to Carrier. Trump was promising to make Carrier to "pay a damn tax". Instead Carrier just got a tax cut[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Problem is, it's a PR stunt, not effectual policy.

Trump got Carrier to save around 40 odd percent (850), of the 2000 jobs getting shipped to Mexico. Yes, it is a savings of nearly 1000 jobs in this instance, but it is not the same as policy. We're hemorrhaging 50X that monthly, so if Trump's going to use this time intensive (3-4 days) method on an individual basis, he's going to be one busy guy!
 
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