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Stein raises needed $$ for recount

Tangmo said:
Many here know how it works. A number of the Right Sector are however seeking to demean or diminish the National Popular Vote.

History notes the discrepancy intended or not when a candidate wins the Electoral College Vote but loses the National Popular Vote.

It is in fact and at the least, awkward, whether by design or otherwise. A national Popular Vote count and total is significant in any country in any election. It is not to be ignored, denied or diminished by anyone, first and foremost, never by the Potus-Elect.
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The United States works differently than other countries. We are comprised of 50 different unique states, all of them having different laws for various things. They are like 50 different but united countries. Each state gets to vote independently for the president but they do not get one vote each so, in effect, the more populous states get a bigger say as to who is president than do the less populous states. So, Wyoming does not have as much say as to who is president than California does. So, popular vote does matter with the system we currently have and Donald Trump won the popular vote in 32 out of 50 states. The election wasn't even close and it was decided by the popular vote.
 
Moderate Right said:
The United States works differently than other countries. We are comprised of 50 different unique states, all of them having different laws for various things. They are like 50 different but united countries. Each state gets to vote independently for the president but they do not get one vote each so, in effect, the more populous states get a bigger say as to who is president than do the less populous states. So, Wyoming does not have as much say as to who is president than California does. So, popular vote does matter with the system we currently have and Donald Trump won the popular vote in 32 out of 50 states. The election wasn't even close and it was decided by the popular vote.
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Easy on the news bulletins from over there on the presumptuous right.

The point of history to this election is that it is the fourth time the candidate that won the National Electoral College Vote did not win the National Popular Vote. Of 54 Potus elections.

To spare more news bulletins from over there, we know what each vote is, how it occurs, what it means in each instance of the ECV and the PV. The national result in each case is the aggregate of the 50 United States of America.

The whole of it and its parts.

The current total Popular Vote of the 50 states and the District of Columbia..

Clinton: 64,914,929 (48.2%)
Trump: 62,544,299 (46.4%)

Clinton Lead: 2,370,630

2016 National Popular Vote Tracker


The final countdown continues.

Live with it.
 
Tangmo said:
Easy on the news bulletins from over there on the presumptuous right.

The point of history to this election is that it is the fourth time the candidate that won the National Electoral College Vote did not win the National Popular Vote. Of 54 Potus elections.

To spare more news bulletins from over there, we know what each vote is, how it occurs, what it means in each instance of the ECV and the PV. The national result in each case is the aggregate of the 50 United States of America.

The whole of it and its parts.

The current total Popular Vote of the 50 states and the District of Columbia..

Clinton: 64,914,929 (48.2%)
Trump: 62,544,299 (46.4%)

Clinton Lead: 2,370,630

2016 National Popular Vote Tracker


The final countdown continues.

Live with it.
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So? If elections were supposed to be won by national popular vote only they would not have come up with the electoral college in the first place.
 
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Tangmo said:
Easy on the news bulletins from over there on the presumptuous right.

The point of history to this election is that it is the fourth time the candidate that won the National Electoral College Vote did not win the National Popular Vote. Of 54 Potus elections.

To spare more news bulletins from over there, we know what each vote is, how it occurs, what it means in each instance of the ECV and the PV. The national result in each case is the aggregate of the 50 United States of America.

The whole of it and its parts.

The current total Popular Vote of the 50 states and the District of Columbia..

Clinton: 64,914,929 (48.2%)
Trump: 62,544,299 (46.4%)

Clinton Lead: 2,370,630

2016 National Popular Vote Tracker


The final countdown continues.

Live with it.
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u gonna be all whiney like this during all of trumps presidency
 
Tangmo said:
Easy on the news bulletins from over there on the presumptuous right.

The point of history to this election is that it is the fourth time the candidate that won the National Electoral College Vote did not win the National Popular Vote. Of 54 Potus elections.

To spare more news bulletins from over there, we know what each vote is, how it occurs, what it means in each instance of the ECV and the PV. The national result in each case is the aggregate of the 50 United States of America.

The whole of it and its parts.

The current total Popular Vote of the 50 states and the District of Columbia..

Clinton: 64,914,929 (48.2%)
Trump: 62,544,299 (46.4%)

Clinton Lead: 2,370,630

2016 National Popular Vote Tracker


The final countdown continues.

Live with it.
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So what?

And your point is what exactly?

Yes...we understand granny Hillary actually had more people vote for her...

But that doesn't matter here, does it?

If elections were held strictly by popular vote, no one in Wyoming, Kansas, Delaware, and any of another 30 or so odd states would ever see a politician, or get their message heard.

Do you think that is fair? Should the farmer in Nebraska be able to see, and actually get their voice heard?

That is why we have an EC in my opinion. So every state, no matter how small or large is important. And they all count.

Otherwise we go to a system that the citizens of the 15 most populous counties in the country determine rule for all.

Thanks, but no thanks

I like everyone having a voice....even if it is just 3 electoral votes
 
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Showing their voting ID


Recent elections of Potus have sort of acquired a tag or appellation of some kind as a shorthand reference to a voting public central to the discourse, issues, voting. One way or the other.

There was for instance the Soccer Mom election. Another was supposedly the Nascar voter election. Starting in 2008 we got the election of Potus by Demographics, i.e., the Browning of America election. Etc.

The data of this election show a huge increase of the rural vote on election day. This is one of the factors of 2016 missed almost completely by the established pollsters across the board. It in fact tipped to Trump long time blue states, such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.

The other shorthand named elections of Potus got their nicks early in each campaign. This one this year, however, didn't get its particular voting public moniker until after the critical voting group had made its presence known on polling day, November 8th: the Ma and Pa Kettle election of Potus.

Almost everyone here who argues against the voters in the metropolitan areas of the USA, argue conversely for the Ma and Pa Kettle America.

The Ma and Pa Kettle election of Potus, 2016.


(My god are Ma and Pa in for a crushing disappointment.)
 
Moderate Right said:
So? If elections were supposed to be won by national popular vote only they would not have come up with the electoral college in the first place.
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Electoral College was created because, at the time (1787), roughly half of the country lived in Virginia. What would stop a politician from campaigning in Virginia and promising no taxes for all Virginian residents? It made all of the other states irrelevant.

Currently, Electoral College does nothing but inflate the importance of small states at the expense of larger ones. It's an ancient relic from a bygone era that needs to go. The President is the only office that the entire country votes on, and the fact that Clinton beat Trump by more than 2 million votes but won't be becoming President is a joke.
 
Phys251 said:
Wouldn't surprise me at all if this collection effort turns out to be a scam.
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It is. If Stein doesn't get her recount in PA (it looks like she won't) then the whole thing is a failure. She could decide to save the money and not pay for a recount in Michigan either. If either happens who keeps the money? I bet she doesn't give it back or donate it to a worthy cause.
 
Things don't look good for the PA recount:
Montco judge rejects presidential-vote recount request
In Philadelphia, the Board of Elections announced it would meet Thursday morning to review petitions for recounts in 82 of its 1,686 divisions and determine which divisions would be reexamined.
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"Believe me, if there was anything I could do to make Hillary Clinton the next president of the United States, I would," said former Gov. Ed Rendell, a longtime supporter. "But this is a big waste of time."
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CarbonBasedLife said:
Electoral College was created because, at the time (1787), roughly half of the country lived in Virginia. What would stop a politician from campaigning in Virginia and promising no taxes for all Virginian residents? It made all of the other states irrelevant.

Currently, Electoral College does nothing but inflate the importance of small states at the expense of larger ones. It's an ancient relic from a bygone era that needs to go. The President is the only office that the entire country votes on, and the fact that Clinton beat Trump by more than 2 million votes but won't be becoming President is a joke.
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Spin spin spin. Hillary lost 32 out of 50 states. That's not even close. You're going to have to accept the results and realize that this is the reality of how we elect presidents and no matter how much the lett wants to make excuses for their devestating loss, the electoral college isn't going anywhere, even if we had a Democratic president with supermajorities in both the House and Senate and even a liberal Supreme Court. The electoral college will never be done away with.
 
Moderate Right said:
Spin spin spin. Hillary lost 32 out of 50 states. That's not even close. You're going to have to accept the results and realize that this is the reality of how we elect presidents and no matter how much the lett wants to make excuses for their devestating loss, the electoral college isn't going anywhere, even if we had a Democratic president with supermajorities in both the House and Senate and even a liberal Supreme Court. The electoral college will never be done away with.
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You're right, the Electoral College is here to stay. It's still a bull**** way to decide who becomes President. By the way, the GOP nominee has won a grand total of 2 popular votes since Reagan left office. Enjoy your 4 years of Trump, it'll be fun having the 2020 election handed to the Democrats on a silver platter.
 
CarbonBasedLife said:
You're right, the Electoral College is here to stay. It's still a bull**** way to decide who becomes President. By the way, the GOP nominee has won a grand total of 2 popular votes since Reagan left office. Enjoy your 4 years of Trump, it'll be fun having the 2020 election handed to the Democrats on a silver platter.
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Your points are well taken.

However, in 2020 only "eligible" voters will be, well, eligible to vote.

That will make upwards of millions of currently eligible voters, well, ineligible. By the time Trump and the Republicans in control of Washington, the House won't the the only place to have a recently structured and redesigned Republican majority.

The Popular Vote will have been reconfigured by nullifying existing laws, such as the Voting Rights Act, or neutering 'em. And many new and onerous new laws from Washington and also in state capitals will deliberately reduce the number of "eligible" voters.


(Standby for rightwhinge rinse and repeat of where's the evidence and where's the proof etc etc.)
 
CarbonBasedLife said:
You're right, the Electoral College is here to stay. It's still a bull**** way to decide who becomes President. By the way, the GOP nominee has won a grand total of 2 popular votes since Reagan left office. Enjoy your 4 years of Trump, it'll be fun having the 2020 election handed to the Democrats on a silver platter.
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Isn't that the very same thinking the GOP establishment had during the primaries, that Trump had no chance? Isn't that the very same thinking the left had during the general election, that Trump had no chance? Might want to rethink. I would start with what you guys did wrong instead of thinking it was Comey or the electoral college, or that the "base" did not come out to vote. You guys need to change your ways if you want to win in four years. You can't win by calling half the voters deplorables, racists, bigots, and every other name in the book.
 
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