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EXCUSE ME, The D Party just got DECAPITATED and...

Hawkeye10 said:
the Clintons are gone, Obama will be an elder statesman, so there is no leader. The long troubled party still has no plan either, this after it just went through yet another election drubbing. The party needs to atone for not just trying to run a coronation but then also trying to conduct this anti-America act with a very poor choice for a candidate. Now they need to face an vastly reformed and energized R party which is in power almost everywhere, often with the D's in such the minority that they are mere speed bumps now.

These are not good times.

Obviously the party can not continue doing what they have been doing, the brand is soiled and some major long brewing problems like white flight have to be dealt with. Maybe they need a complete rebranding.

I have not been a D in damn near 30 years so this is not my horse but still what does the DP Brain Trust think that the D's should do and/or should become?
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I'm only 30 yet I've seen both parties suffer multiple "decapitations" the likes of which it would be impossible to come back from. I know it because politicos say it every time a presidential election is lost. Lets not forgot that the general consensus even by top tier republicans was that Republicans aren't going to be able to win the presidency for decades given population shifts. Trump won. But he won because he had a specific message that spoke to enough people and because his challenger also happened to be incredibly unpopular. I remain certain that Trump would have gotten crushed by an uplifting and well presented democrat politician like Obama (granted they are hard to come by right now, but there are many that will step up now with Hillary out of the way) and Hillary would have been crushed by a popular and more honest seeming Republican even if the guy wouldn't have railed on in the same way Trump did. In 2008 Obama would have probably beaten any Republican that he would have faced. It was just too much. This election was not like that. Not even close.

Trump has two years to unite the country and get his stuff passed. If he unites and does a good job he might get more time. If not, I'm not sure how long he will have both the house and the senate for himself. And everything will go back to normal. If he really does impose term limits, pass the restrictions on lobbyists that he called for, really does reduce inner city violence etc. etc., then the democratic party might actually be decapitated. But that's a very very large "if".
 
I feel like everybody said the republican party was dead in 2008 and again in 2012. And I'm sure the democratic party was dead in 2000.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
the Clintons are gone, Obama will be an elder statesman, so there is no leader. The long troubled party still has no plan either, this after it just went through yet another election drubbing. The party needs to atone for not just trying to run a coronation but then also trying to conduct this anti-America act with a very poor choice for a candidate. Now they need to face an vastly reformed and energized R party which is in power almost everywhere, often with the D's in such the minority that they are mere speed bumps now.

These are not good times.

Obviously the party can not continue doing what they have been doing, the brand is soiled and some major long brewing problems like white flight have to be dealt with. Maybe they need a complete rebranding.

I have not been a D in damn near 30 years so this is not my horse but still what does the DP Brain Trust think that the D's should do and/or should become?
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It's funny how quickly the people forget. It was just this time last week that I was listening to the media go on and on and on about how the Republican Party was going to have to change after this election if they ever had any future hopes of regaining the white house. And now, shock and awe. The reality is that you are right. The Democratic Party is going to have to get on board with the fact that average- mildly educated, hard working white people men and women have a voice in this country also. That scares the crap out of them. I cannot wait until the black populations rise up and realize that they too have a voice and that voice does not always have to vote Democrat. When the Democrats do nothing for them, they should consider another road.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
the Clintons are gone, Obama will be an elder statesman, so there is no leader. The long troubled party still has no plan either, this after it just went through yet another election drubbing. The party needs to atone for not just trying to run a coronation but then also trying to conduct this anti-America act with a very poor choice for a candidate. Now they need to face an vastly reformed and energized R party which is in power almost everywhere, often with the D's in such the minority that they are mere speed bumps now.

These are not good times.

Obviously the party can not continue doing what they have been doing, the brand is soiled and some major long brewing problems like white flight have to be dealt with. Maybe they need a complete rebranding.

I have not been a D in damn near 30 years so this is not my horse but still what does the DP Brain Trust think that the D's should do and/or should become?
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I agree totally. We need a good Democrat party, one that is trustworthy and brings a different perspective to the table.

Most of all we need good, honest eyes looking at the Republican party and what they are doing, helping me keep the party on the straight and narrow. I will not defend Republicans who break moral/legislative laws, corrupt the system or assist our enemies. We should all want good folks, the best we can get, representing all of us.

I think the image of the American eagle best describes it. That eagle needs a good right wing and a good left wing to keep her flying straight. We also need a much more honest press. If this is actually true, this is a step in the right direction http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/u...-the-publisher-and-executive-editor.html?_r=0

Hat tip Sulzberger
 
It isn't just the democrats that are in trouble

Both parties are in trouble....big trouble

They both stopped listening to their constituents, and pandered only to the money

I see a splinter in both houses....we could end up with four major parties, not two

A far left, Bernie type of party....tending toward the big socialism if not getting there

A progressive party, that combines the green with moderates and independents who tend to go middle of the road or even conservative fiscally, and liberal social policies

A tea party type that adds in moderates and independs, but doesn't get into abortion or marriage issues

And the far right social conservatives....who will continue to get smaller and smaller each year

None of us fit directly into a neat little box.....I like less government, and more freedom for the individual....and lower taxes

Some years I voted R, and some years I voted I (Perot)

Both parties need to get their crap together.....and soon
 
Hawkeye10 said:
the Clintons are gone, Obama will be an elder statesman, so there is no leader. The long troubled party still has no plan either, this after it just went through yet another election drubbing. The party needs to atone for not just trying to run a coronation but then also trying to conduct this anti-America act with a very poor choice for a candidate. Now they need to face an vastly reformed and energized R party which is in power almost everywhere, often with the D's in such the minority that they are mere speed bumps now.

These are not good times.

Obviously the party can not continue doing what they have been doing, the brand is soiled and some major long brewing problems like white flight have to be dealt with. Maybe they need a complete rebranding.

I have not been a D in damn near 30 years so this is not my horse but still what does the DP Brain Trust think that the D's should do and/or should become?
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What's all the doom and gloom about? Decapitating both major parties is exactly what needed to happen.

I only wish it was Sanders, not Trump, who did it. He's way too far left for me, but then, I didn't fear any potential abuse of executive authority on his part; his left stuff would just get mainly ignored.





Finally, it is very strange that you speak of Democrats as if they have no ideas as a contrast to the Republicans. What ideas have the Republicans had lately? It's been about (1) opposing Obama, and (2) bringing back out-dated religiously-derived "values" that the rest of society has moved on from and, in fact, never respected anyway.

(ie, re: 2, they'll oppose abortion and gay marriage despite being on their fourth wife, as if the bible says somewhere near the beginning "pick and choose which of these teachings you wish to follow and burn everyone else!")
 
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joG said:
And you think the average Democrat will believe the evidence? :lamo
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And you think the average Republican is somehow a better person, more informed, and more intelligent?



Politicians won't stop their mudslinging until YOUR type, expressed right there in your post, stops. That is, until political message boards are no longer cram filled with "all you people who are on the other side are bad people"
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
the Clintons are gone, Obama will be an elder statesman, so there is no leader. The long troubled party still has no plan either, this after it just went through yet another election drubbing. The party needs to atone for not just trying to run a coronation but then also trying to conduct this anti-America act with a very poor choice for a candidate. Now they need to face an vastly reformed and energized R party which is in power almost everywhere, often with the D's in such the minority that they are mere speed bumps now.

These are not good times.

Obviously the party can not continue doing what they have been doing, the brand is soiled and some major long brewing problems like white flight have to be dealt with. Maybe they need a complete rebranding.

I have not been a D in damn near 30 years so this is not my horse but still what does the DP Brain Trust think that the D's should do and/or should become?
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I think that the Dems. need a Tea Party like "revolution" and start primarying it's problem children. BOTH parties would benefit from this... It's time that all of America realizes that the political parties have their own self-interest in mind and not that of The People. So for me, it's not so much what should the Dems. do, but what should The People do.
 
Mr Person said:
What's all the doom and gloom about? Decapitating both major parties is exactly what needed to happen.

I only wish it was Sanders, not Trump, who did it. He's way too far left for me, but then, I didn't fear any potential abuse of executive authority on his part; his left stuff would just get mainly ignored.





Finally, it is very strange that you speak of Democrats as if they have no ideas as a contrast to the Republicans. What ideas have the Republicans had lately? It's been about (1) opposing Obama, and (2) bringing back out-dated religiously-derived "values" that the rest of society has moved on from and, in fact, never respected anyway.

(ie, re: 2, they'll oppose abortion and gay marriage despite being on their fourth wife, as if the bible says somewhere near the beginning "pick and choose which of these teachings you wish to follow and burn everyone else!")
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Trump has put forth a great many radical ideas.

They have been in then news.

He used these radical ideas to take over the R party.

Maybe you have heard of this?
 
roughdraft274 said:
I'm only 30 yet I've seen both parties suffer multiple "decapitations" the likes of which it would be impossible to come back from. I know it because politicos say it every time a presidential election is lost. Lets not forgot that the general consensus even by top tier republicans was that Republicans aren't going to be able to win the presidency for decades given population shifts. Trump won. But he won because he had a specific message that spoke to enough people and because his challenger also happened to be incredibly unpopular. I remain certain that Trump would have gotten crushed by an uplifting and well presented democrat politician like Obama (granted they are hard to come by right now, but there are many that will step up now with Hillary out of the way) and Hillary would have been crushed by a popular and more honest seeming Republican even if the guy wouldn't have railed on in the same way Trump did. In 2008 Obama would have probably beaten any Republican that he would have faced. It was just too much. This election was not like that. Not even close.

Trump has two years to unite the country and get his stuff passed. If he unites and does a good job he might get more time. If not, I'm not sure how long he will have both the house and the senate for himself. And everything will go back to normal. If he really does impose term limits, pass the restrictions on lobbyists that he called for, really does reduce inner city violence etc. etc., then the democratic party might actually be decapitated. But that's a very very large "if".
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No you have not, the Bushes and the Clinton's have been in charge for almost all of your life.

The really interesting question is why is the D party understood by almost all to be now leaderless when the D president of 8 years is still standing.

The answer is of course that he is not a factor..... because he clearly never cared about the party, never did anything for the party, and he is generally incompetent so even if he changed his mind in the 11th hour it would not matter.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
No you have not, the Bushes and the Clinton's have been in charge for almost all of your life.

The really interesting question is why is the D party understood by almost all to be now leaderless when the D president of 8 years is still standing.

The answer is of course that he is not a factor..... because he clearly never cared about the party, never did anything for the party, and he is generally incompetent so even if he changed his mind in the 11th hour it would not matter.
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They're considered leaderless because we have two months left on that lease and no replacement at the moment. Not because he doesn't care about the party or anything else you mentioned. It feels odd pointing out something so obvious. Politics is difficult and it's forever shifting. It's not obamas fault we didn't have a good replacement for him this year.
 
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