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Republiclowns on Fox pretending to have a mandate

Mac77 said:
Obama was a failed community organizer who never held a private sector job in his life.

He got to the white house based on his skin color.

Trump is a much more capable man than obama ever was

I think trump will get things done
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Only if Trump can convince congress critters to go against the wishes of those that fund their campaigns - that is a tall order indeed. The POTUS comes and goes much more frequently than congress critters do.

By the Numbers: Longest-serving members of Congress - CNNPolitics.com
 
thinkagain said:
The people did not vote for the GOP platform. They voted for "anything other than the establishment".
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No, Trump brought a lot of R congressmen up with him.. The people voted R as well as Trump..
 
Chomsky said:
Mandate?

He lost the popular vote, for Chrissakes! :doh
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Actually about 8% of the vote still has not been counted and it's all from red areas.

With such current massive Democrat voter fraud the GOP will not win a national the popular vote without a 10% actual victory.

According to Bev Harris who has busted voter fraud on both sides: Hillary did try to steal it, "But you cant steal a Landslide."
 
Chomsky said:
It's an archaic system that's pretty worthless today. The southern states needed a way to balance their representation because slaves (much more southern thing) only counted as 3/5 of a human being. So the Electoral College was devised as a way to get them more representation better reflecting their true population with their large slave components.

Some still try to argue for it today, but I don't see it's use anymore.
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That was not the Southern States it was the Democratic Party.
 
thinkagain said:
I thought nothing could be more vomit inducing than listening to Hillary.

Watching these Republican Jokers claiming the will of people was the GOP platform is just as bad.

The people did not vote for the GOP platform. They voted for "anything other than the establishment".
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There is no mandate. Heck, Hillary received more votes total than Trump. Trump just narrowly squeaked by in several important states. He won for sure, but we have a very divided nation. A bit less than half are pro establishment, a bit less than half anti establishment. Maybe? How many Republicans who are pro establishment voted for Trump not because he was anti establishment, but running as a Republican? How many voted for Trump that were very anti-Clinton, but more for establishment ideas? I don't know, time will tell.
 
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Mac77 said:
Sure

No one said the job is supposed to be easy.

Nor do I think trump can win every battle

But trump voters are expecting to see real progress

If the do trump will have succeeded
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Real progress, as seen by those from red districts/states, is not likely to include Trump's desire for lower federal revenue and higher federal spending. Trump has not been very convincing (or specific) on how he would cut federal spending yet he offered specific and much lower federal income tax rate "targets".
 
Orly? said:
No, Trump brought a lot of R congressmen up with him.. The people voted R as well as Trump..
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Not really, looking at the senators who won, most ran way ahead of Trump. Florida Rubio received 52.1% in Florida, Trump 49.0. North Carolina, Burr 51.1%, Trump 49.9. Ohio Portman 58.3, Trump 52.1, Iowa Grassley 60.2, Trump 51.2, Arizona McCain 53.4, Trump 49.6, Wisconsin Johnson 50.2, Trump 47.8, and so it goes. In almost every state the Republican senate candidate ran ahead of Trump and the senate candidate might have actually pulled Trump through to his win in that state.

In the House the Republicans lost six seats with seven more yet to be decided. The Democrats picked up seats. Trump had no coat tails, it probably was the other way around.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Real progress, as seen by those from red districts/states, is not likely to include Trump's desire for lower federal revenue and higher federal spending. Trump has not been very convincing (or specific) on how he would cut federal spending yet he offered specific and much lower federal income tax rate "targets".
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You are a good nay-sayer but we hope trump is better at solving problem and overcoming challenges than you are at finding them

And I think he is because making excuses for failure is not how things are done in the business world

Politicians and government workers do that to cover up their incompetence.

but we're holding trump to a higher standard
 
thinkagain said:
I thought nothing could be more vomit inducing than listening to Hillary.

Watching these Republican Jokers claiming the will of people was the GOP platform is just as bad.

The people did not vote for the GOP platform. They voted for "anything other than the establishment".
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Anything other than the establishment is in and of itself a platform.

But if you bothered to look at Trump's site, you will find there is an actual to do list. Whether he can pull it off remains to be seen.
 
Chomsky said:
It's an archaic system that's pretty worthless today. The southern states needed a way to balance their representation because slaves (much more southern thing) only counted as 3/5 of a human being. So the Electoral College was devised as a way to get them more representation better reflecting their true population with their large slave components.

Some still try to argue for it today, but I don't see it's use anymore.
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You really need to watch that Pragu video on the EC, it shows how you are so VERY wrong.
 
Mac77 said:
You are a good nay-sayer but we hope trump is better at solving problem and overcoming challenges than you are at finding them

And I think he is because making excuses for failure is not how things are done in the business world

Politicians and government workers do that to cover up their incompetence.

but we're holding trump to a higher standard
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Trump does not care if he gets a second term - that is not the case for most (any?) congress critters. It is easy to say repeal and replace PPACA - it is not easy to say what that (lower cost?) replacement will be.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Trump does not care if he gets a second term - that is not the case for most (any?) congress critters. It is easy to say repeal and replace PPACA - it is not easy to say what that (lower cost?) replacement will be.
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You dont know what trump plans for 2020

But if he doesnt seek a second term he will be free to let it all hang out in this term.

We'll see how he's getting along with the repubs in congress by the time the mid-terms roll around
 
thinkagain said:
I thought nothing could be more vomit inducing than listening to Hillary.

Watching these Republican Jokers claiming the will of people was the GOP platform is just as bad.

The people did not vote for the GOP platform. They voted for "anything other than the establishment".
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If you look at it really objectively, the voters did provide a republican congress and republican president in the face of a democrat majority in the population. I do agree that they voted for anything other than the establishment but I view that as positive. Why does it appear to bother you? What positive elements do you see in the establishment.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
They voted for Trump, and enough R's in Congress so that he can drain the swamp.

Congressional R's best get up to speed.
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Agreed that "draining swamp" was reason Trump got in. Now is question of how he is going to do this.
 
thinkagain said:
I thought nothing could be more vomit inducing than listening to Hillary.

Watching these Republican Jokers claiming the will of people was the GOP platform is just as bad.

The people did not vote for the GOP platform. They voted for "anything other than the establishment".
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Told they would, truth has not exactly been relevant to either Party these days. And the sheeple will believe it, watch and see.
 
thinkagain said:
Agreed that "draining swamp" was reason Trump got in. Now is question of how he is going to do this.
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I think he is going to work with and promote anyone who is willing to work to put the American people first, all of them.
 
Camer☑n;1066532858 said:
Not to mention how close the popular vote was. Even the electoral vote difference is not mandate-level, I think, particularly given how close so many of the swing states ended up being.

If Republicans proceed to cut taxes for the wealthy and make it easier for companies to pay workers less and to profit from outsourcing and other job-killing practices, the working class will revolt again. They should focus on immigration and flooding the federal coffers with energy money which can be used for job-creating infrastructure spending. I don't agree with them on some of that, but I think the portion of the electorate that won them the election would like it.

I also think he should screw the establishment Republicans and go for universal healthcare and anti-big-business SCOTUS judges. He has the opportunity to build quite a big coalition, although his list of potential appointments don't leave me very optimistic.
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I like much of your plan. One thing that worries me was his "Law and Order" platform. Civil unrest is becoming a reality in this country - and for good reason. Part of the problem is because SCOTUS is not respecting the principles on which this nation was founded - Individual rights and freedoms/liberty "Above" the legitimate authority of Gov't.

They should all be fired for dereliction of duty. Such lack of respect for liberty put's the "heavy hand of the State" in conflict with people more often and this increases hostility between police and the people. Police are kind of caught in the middle. At the same time increased police powers will increase abuse. Police are just people (controlling, self serving, corruptible, nasty and so on). Power corrupts and more power corrupts more.

The drug war should be ended, prostitution legalized, arbitrary search and seizure rights respected. Like when prohibition ended, when you make these things legal most of the crime goes away.

Second is to give people hope/jobs. We need to start enforcing anti-competition laws that are already on the books. Price fixing, collusion, regulation an tax law have turned this country into an oligarchy which is reducing the worker into an indentured slave.

Dow/Dupont , GE/Baker These mergers should never be allowed as this decreases wage competition.

We should not be importing products into this country made by slave labor or from countries who's practices harm the environment (via dumping pollution directly into the Ocean - heavy metals, persistent organic pollutants - this is, IMO, as much (if not more) of an environmental issue than CO2 and it is unfair competition)
 
MaggieD said:
You apparently know the workings inside the minds of tens of millions of people. How arrogant. Unless....

Where were you Easter Sunday 2016 years ago?
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Not tens of millions. A large percentage who voted for Trump did so because they are Republicans and dislike Hillary. This is not rocket science.

It takes only a small percentage of swing voters to change the tide. When Michael Moore was going around doing town halls (which were full of Republicans in many cases) he notice that these people were pissed at Gov't in general. The consensus was that they did not like Trump much but wanted to throw a wrench into the establishment.

We saw this same anti-establishment sentiment in the Bernie movement.

Moore was the first quazi objective voice that I saw predict a Trump victory on this basis. (By quazi objective I mean someone who was not on the Trump team).

I think he hit the nail on the head.
 
thinkagain said:
I thought nothing could be more vomit inducing than listening to Hillary.

Watching these Republican Jokers claiming the will of people was the GOP platform is just as bad.

The people did not vote for the GOP platform. They voted for "anything other than the establishment".
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Well, they did have a mandate, just not the kind of mandate in the context we're used to thinking of the word. In traditional terms a mandate would infer a wide majority of the popular vote, but this election was different because it highlighted not just right vs. left differences but ignored rural vs urban. In that context, yes, the concerns of the ignored rural voters received a mandate.
 
Mac77 said:
Cute, but pointless.

The republican congress has been making money grow on trees throughout the last 6 years that obama was in office

But lets wait and see what trump comes up with before getting hysterical
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Will you get a grip. Comments like "pointless" "hysterical" when I have done nothing but point out your logical fallacy is pointless hysteria.

Obama and the Red Congress decreased the deficit from 1.4 Trillion to 500 Billion. Perhaps Trump will increase deficits but this has nothing to do with predicting which direction the raging masses will run.
 
America had a choice between Frick and Frack and we got F***ed in the end. We should be used to it by now.
 
thinkagain said:
I thought nothing could be more vomit inducing than listening to Hillary.

Watching these Republican Jokers claiming the will of people was the GOP platform is just as bad.

The people did not vote for the GOP platform. They voted for "anything other than the establishment".
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Based on the election results, both the electoral and popular votes, I think it fair to say Trump does have the mandate you seem to think that he doesn't.

During the entire primary and general campaigns everyone underestimated Trump. Seems many still haven't learned that lesson even now, at this point.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, that certainly explains the GOP POTUS and GOP majorities in both the Senate and the House. ;)
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There is a connection between who one votes for as President and who one votes for in congress but your direct comparison is flawed.

Many are unhappy with the direction of the country and dislike the "establishment". Trump to many represented an "anti-establishment" vote.

In terms of Congress - your claim does not make sense as both Red and Blue are establishment and in most races that was the only valid choice available.

The people have yet to figure out that they need to stop voting Red and Blue into Congress if they want change.
 
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