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Josie said:
Okay, let's go with your theory that the FBI has it out for Hillary Clinton and is trying to sway the election by "deliberating smearing a candidate for partisan purposes." Why? Do you honestly think the FBI wants Donald Trump as President? Why??
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see how you phrased that? "the FBI". I don't think "the FBI" wants Trump but if you don't think there are conservatives in the FBI just as dumb and deluded as ordinary conservatives, then you live in a bubble. I work with professionals and I'm still shocked at the number that believe "the election is rigged" , "Hillary is a murderer" and all the other disgusting and vile nonsense large percentages of conservatives are happy to believe. Have you ever noticed democrats are not inundated with ridiculous lies like the ones conservatives believe? take these for example.

President Obama was born in Kenya
His BC a forgery
He wanted to kill old people
The vile and disgusting stand down lies.

there simply is no equivalent to the conservative media. they wont stop lying to you until you stop listening.
 
Vern said:
President Obama was born in Kenya
His BC a forgery
He wanted to kill old people
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You honestly believe anyone who isn't in the bag for Hillary believes all of this, don't you?
 
Josie said:
You honestly believe anyone who isn't in the bag for Hillary believes all of this, don't you?
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well I guess that's an attempt at a response so its an improvement. But its just a deflecting point posted as question. I get that a lot. But to answer your question, no, I don't believe "anyone who isn't in the bag for Hillary believes all of this". The simple fact is that a large percentages of republicans did believe them. The conservative media spewed those lies and a lot of conservatives believed them.

Now the good news is that I'm able to discern that you seem to be insulted at the implication you believe those lies. so lets work with that . If you are insulted at that notion, why would you get your "information" about Hillary, her servers, the "cowardice" of Comey for not recommending an indictment of Hillary in July and now the possible illegality of his inexplicable letter to congress about emails he hadn't even seen from the same people who lied to you about everything else?
 
CriticalThought said:
Trump is going to win the election. He isn't going to win it on merit or because he is the better candidate or has better plans. He will win because a federal agency, over a period of four days and starting 10 days from election day, perpetuated a series of leaks that have little substance but stoke fear and distrust of the Democratic nominee.
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There is a CT forum. Take hysterics there.
 
Josie said:
Okay, let's go with your theory that the FBI has it out for Hillary Clinton and is trying to sway the election by "deliberating smearing a candidate for partisan purposes." Why? Do you honestly think the FBI wants Donald Trump as President? Why??
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Because of the secret super secretness, and Koch Brothers, and, and and YOURE A SEXIST@!@!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
 
Old and Busted: Claiming the Election Might be Rigged is Dangerous Rhetoric that Horrifyingly Undercuts Trust in Democracy.


New Hotness: A SHADOWY CABAL IS BETRAYING FREEDOM AND RIGGING THE ELECTION!!!!!!



Hey, gents, look: If you don't want the FBI to impact the election, then don't nominate someone under multiple FBI investigations with a long track record of corruption and abuse.

#justsayin
 
Josie said:
Was the FBI partisan back in July as well or just now?
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Hey now, to be fair, if anyone knows anything about corruption it's definitely a Hillary supporter!
 
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cpwill said:
Old and Busted: Claiming the Election Might be Rigged is Dangerous Rhetoric that Horrifyingly Undercuts Trust in Democracy.


New Hotness: A SHADOWY CABAL IS BETRAYING FREEDOM AND RIGGING THE ELECTION!!!!!!



Hey, gents, look: If you don't want the FBI to impact the election, then don't nominate someone under multiple FBI investigations with a long track record of corruption and abuse.

#justsayin
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The FBI had no evidence, though in spite of that absence many of them are apparently confident in Hillary's guilt.

Trump is under investigation. Why didn't the FBI impact Trump in the same way ?

I guess the left leaning FBI agents have higher ethical standards.
 
Fenton said:
Im not expecting a Trump win at all. Unless there's a avalanche of support in the next few days in keys swing states.

If he does, then the Democrats only have themselves to blame. They couldn't have picked a worse candidate with more baggage than Hillary Clinton.

Blaming the FBI is ridiculous. Clinton brought this on herself
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Actually, it appears she had plenty of help.
 
DiAnna said:
Rachel Maddow had rather a bombshell allegation, backed up by three mainstream stories by investigative journalists that will supposedly be out tomorrow. The gist of it is that in many FBI regional offices, and especially in the New York FBI regional office, have been using a book called "Clinton Cash" by Peter Schweizer, a billionaire who funds the Breitbart Report along with a Trump Superpac. As we all know, Bannon resigned from Breitbart to become Trump's Campaign CEO, and Breitbart continues it's anti-Hillary tirades on a daily basis.

Seems this book is filled with speculative, conspiracy theory stuff, all unsourced. Word is that the New York FBI office is the source of the leaks, and the "new investigation" is actually using "information" from this Clinton hit piece as a reason to reopen new investigations into Hillary, or at least the basis for leaks coming out of that office.

I can't offer a link, because today's show is not yet available at her website, and the articles she quoted (she had at least of of the journalists, from The Guardian, there to interview) aren't released yet. If true, it is absolutely jaw-dropping, because a significant portion of the FBI is deliberately smearing a candidate for partisan purposes.

Here's a link to her page. Hopefully that show will be available to view tomorrow. The Rachel Maddow Show on msnbc – Latest News & Video
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Lutherf said:
Hey now, to be fair, if anyone knows anything about corruption it's definitely a Hillary supporter!
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Actually, most of them seem to be in denial.
 
Re: Our part

:inandout:..........
 
CriticalThought said:
Trump is going to win the election. He isn't going to win it on merit or because he is the better candidate or has better plans. He will win because a federal agency, over a period of four days and starting 10 days from election day, perpetuated a series of leaks that have little substance but stoke fear and distrust of the Democratic nominee.

The effect has been measurable as Clinton lost a polling advantage in EVERY battleground state even though she had carried it for weeks. Now Trump has the momentum and energy, and he will win. I was angry about it but then I realized something. The chickens will come home to roost.

Trump will enact his policies and will probably blame Obama and everyone else when they lead to their predictable ends. He will shape a new conservative Supreme Court that will roll back marriage equality and Roe v. Wade. He will repeal Obamacare and replace it with health savings accounts which will place premiums outside of the affordability of most people with preexisting conditions. He will continue the same immigration policies of Obama and make a good show of increasing border security, but there will never be a literal wall. He will eliminate restrictions with Russia that limit his family's own financial opportunities and his administration will be plagued with accusations that he is using his office to promote his business interests. He will trash our relationship with the rest of the world and start a trade war by pushing through protectionist tariffs that will ultimately drive us into another Great Depression. He will militarize our police and increase internal strife.

That doesn't make me happy, but it will come to pass. And it is not because he won on those policies, but because people stayed home rather than voted or uninformed voters bought into the current of leaks from the FBI that originated from partisan strife within that agency. The FBI decided this election. Comey decided this election. So be it. We let it happen and history will look at this moment as when we cut off our nose to spite our face. This thread is nothing more than resignation to the inevitable and a record of how predictable and regretable it all was.
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Trump isn't going to win :shrug:
 
Josie said:
Okay, let's go with your theory that the FBI has it out for Hillary Clinton and is trying to sway the election by "deliberating smearing a candidate for partisan purposes." Why? Do you honestly think the FBI wants Donald Trump as President? Why??
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I'm relaying a story that, as of today (as promised) is all over the news. Certain segments of the FBI, according to this articles, are "Trumpland". Some of the regional FBI offices, including the New York regional FBI office, have wanted Hillary's head on a platter for years and were furious that Comey didn't give it to them. Apparently two anti-Clinton FBI investigators brought a bunch of "information" to the DOJ in February, information the DOJ considered weak and without supportable evidence. That, according to the investigative journalist on Maddow's show last night, was "evidence" copied out of a book written by the man funding Trump's superpac, who also owns Breitbart.com, a notorious anti-Clinton site, and is the boss of Bannon, Trump's Campaign CEO.

Also, Guilani as a federal prosecutor worked with the FBI closely, and his law firm now handles legal matters for the FBI in some capacity. He proudly announced on Fox News two days before Comey's bombshell letter-that-said-nothing-but-implied-vague-stuff-nobody-had-read-yet that in a couple of days, things would be much better for the Trump campaign and much worse for Hillary's campaign. Today, he's already had to go back on Fox to admit that yes, some of his FBI contacts might have let him know that something would be happening.

That's why.
 
DiAnna said:
I'm relaying a story that, as of today (as promised) is all over the news. Certain segments of the FBI, according to this articles, are "Trumpland". Some of the regional FBI offices, including the New York regional FBI office, have wanted Hillary's head on a platter for years and were furious that Comey didn't give it to them. Apparently two anti-Clinton FBI investigators brought a bunch of "information" to the DOJ in February, information the DOJ considered weak and without supportable evidence. That, according to the investigative journalist on Maddow's show last night, was "evidence" copied out of a book written by the man funding Trump's superpac, who also owns Breitbart.com, a notorious anti-Clinton site, and is the boss of Bannon, Trump's Campaign CEO.

Also, Guilani as a federal prosecutor worked with the FBI closely, and his law firm now handles legal matters for the FBI in some capacity. He proudly announced on Fox News two days before Comey's bombshell letter-that-said-nothing-but-implied-vague-stuff-nobody-had-read-yet that in a couple of days, things would be much better for the Trump campaign and much worse for Hillary's campaign. Today, he's already had to go back on Fox to admit that yes, some of his FBI contacts might have let him know that something would be happening.

That's why.
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So Comey is opening this back up a few days before the election based on weak evidence?
 
Josie said:
So Comey is opening this back up a few days before the election based on weak evidence?
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You didn't even have time to read what I wrote, so you obviously didn't care about that answer, and I have no reason you will care about any future answers.
 
DiAnna said:
You didn't even have time to read what I wrote, so you obviously didn't care about that answer, and I have no reason you will care about any future answers.
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Um, yes I did read it. You said the information brought forward was weak evidence.
 
If Trump wins expect Obama to have as many files about Hillary destroyed as can be managed.
 
Josie said:
Um, yes I did read it. You said the information brought forward was weak evidence.
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Comey didn't have any evidence. The emails he referred to in the letter had not been analyzed. In fact, they didn't even have a warrant to search them.
 
DiAnna said:
You didn't even have time to read what I wrote, so you obviously didn't care about that answer, and I have no reason you will care about any future answers.
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the trick with posters is to try to figure out if they are being dishonest or confused. She's probably confused. the NIMH explains it perfectly

"A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in "fear and aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity".

"This intolerance of ambiguity can lead people to cling to the familiar, to arrive at premature conclusions, and to impose simplistic clichés and stereotypes," the authors argue in the Psychological Bulletin.

Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve | World news | The Guardian

Josie said:
Um, yes I did read it. You said the information brought forward was weak evidence.
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Dianna posted about 2 FBI agents taking "evidence" copied out of a book. It was completely unrelated to what Comey did. You were unable to discern that because you "arrive at premature conclusions, and impose simplistic clichés and stereotypes". Now this is going to be hard so you'll have to read it several times to understand it but Comey sent a letter with no evidence. Not weak evidence. No evidence. Since that is not what you want to believe it's going to take effort on your part to understand it.
 
Vern said:
the trick with posters is to try to figure out if they are being dishonest or confused. She's probably confused. the NIMH explains it perfectly

"A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in "fear and aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity".

"This intolerance of ambiguity can lead people to cling to the familiar, to arrive at premature conclusions, and to impose simplistic clichés and stereotypes," the authors argue in the Psychological Bulletin.

Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve | World news | The Guardian
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And what 'neuroses' did this study find lie at the root of liberalism? Or do I need only consult with your doctors to learn the answer to that question?
 
CriticalThought said:
Trump is going to win the election. He isn't going to win it on merit or because he is the better candidate or has better plans. He will win because a federal agency, over a period of four days and starting 10 days from election day, perpetuated a series of leaks that have little substance but stoke fear and distrust of the Democratic nominee.

The effect has been measurable as Clinton lost a polling advantage in EVERY battleground state even though she had carried it for weeks. Now Trump has the momentum and energy, and he will win. I was angry about it but then I realized something. The chickens will come home to roost.

Trump will enact his policies and will probably blame Obama and everyone else when they lead to their predictable ends. He will shape a new conservative Supreme Court that will roll back marriage equality and Roe v. Wade. He will repeal Obamacare and replace it with health savings accounts which will place premiums outside of the affordability of most people with preexisting conditions. He will continue the same immigration policies of Obama and make a good show of increasing border security, but there will never be a literal wall. He will eliminate restrictions with Russia that limit his family's own financial opportunities and his administration will be plagued with accusations that he is using his office to promote his business interests. He will trash our relationship with the rest of the world and start a trade war by pushing through protectionist tariffs that will ultimately drive us into another Great Depression. He will militarize our police and increase internal strife.

That doesn't make me happy, but it will come to pass. And it is not because he won on those policies, but because people stayed home rather than voted or uninformed voters bought into the current of leaks from the FBI that originated from partisan strife within that agency. The FBI decided this election. Comey decided this election. So be it. We let it happen and history will look at this moment as when we cut off our nose to spite our face. This thread is nothing more than resignation to the inevitable and a record of how predictable and regretable it all was.
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