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Trump & the Low Information Voter

humbolt said:
The big difference between Hillary and Donald in the Iraq war was that Hillary had a say before troops were committed. One can rail against that decision all day long after the fact, but the reality is that the commitment to war had already been made. The real snakes here are the ones who voted for the war and then attempted to pull the rug out from under that commitment once it appeared politically advantageous to do so.
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The REAL snakes are the one's who cherry picked and manipulated the lies and intel (or the lack thereof,) that duped the people, both left and right, in to voting for it in the first place. And those people wore the GOP brand.
 
haymarket said:
I have no problem with any of those revelations as facts as long as they can be documented. The entire point of this thread was to show that the current trend as evidenced by the Trump campaign is that the right has its share of LIV's and that should be recognized so the right stops demonizing the left for having theirs and pretending that makes them somehow superior.
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It isn't the low info voters that bother me so much on the left. Its the fact that libs pander so extensively to certain demographics like low income folks who then vote for their handout. That is galling. And it is paid for with growing government debt. Below are some of the basic principles that conservatism understands. These do not talk about old white christian folks needing to maintain power. It's just simple common sense based on historical fact. I think much of the country is at the apathy/dependence stage. Bondage is next.


A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.
 
haymarket said:
You have to wonder if something new is happening which will change an old charge that has existed here and elsewhere over the last many years.

Over and over again we hear how in polls and surveys and primary results, Donald Trump has great appeal to lower educated white blue collar workers. In years past people with this level of education would have been derisively termed LOW INFORMATION VOTERS and it would be assumed that they vote for Democrats. But now large swaths of these folks are voting for Trump.

Leaving aside the problem of defining the term in the first place - will the excuse makers of the right have to now change their tactics and labels because of Trump and his appeal?

Or will the ugly head of race be reared and we hear how some Blacks and Hispanics are low information voters and voted for Clinton?
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just check science to understand who are the wise and Unwise.... and polls shows Trump wins the higher incomes ....but loses college grads ... which proves trump supporters are the most wise.. they have the more income and does not have the big student debt...... Proving the educational system is a total fraud along with the media who covers up the FRAUD
 
Cable said:
It isn't the low info voters that bother me so much on the left. Its the fact that libs pander so extensively to certain demographics like low income folks who then vote for their handout. That is galling. And it is paid for with growing government debt. Below are some of the basic principles that conservatism understands. These do not talk about old white christian folks needing to maintain power. It's just simple common sense based on historical fact. I think much of the country is at the apathy/dependence stage. Bondage is next.


A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.
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a democracy always commits suicide as the wise founders said ...... the REASON is that democracies has 60 IQ's equal to 160 IQ's and that runs off the wise to go invent and then to help destroy the democracy like what happened to ancient greece when the wise ran next door and built Rome and then destroyed ancient greece


americas wise will now run off to 31 conservative states and make the next great empire

WELCOME TO THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERICA..... this nation will have a high wisdom test for its voters and that will have the wise of the world to stampede there
 
SailaWay said:
a democracy always commits suicide as the wise founders said ...... the REASON is that democracies has 60 IQ's equal to 160 IQ's and that runs off the wise to go invent and then to help destroy the democracy like what happened to ancient greece when the wise ran next door and built Rome and then destroyed ancient greece


americas wise will now run off to 31 conservative states and make the next great empire

WELCOME TO THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERICA..... this nation will have a high wisdom test for its voters and that will have the wise of the world to stampede there
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What is your IQ?
 
Fletch said:
Well, that's not how your OP was written. But yes, both party have a huge number of LIV's. But that is democracy. There are a lot of dumb people in the country and they all get to vote.
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yup... that is democracy.
 
Cable said:
It isn't the low info voters that bother me so much on the left. Its the fact that libs pander so extensively to certain demographics like low income folks who then vote for their handout. That is galling. And it is paid for with growing government debt. Below are some of the basic principles that conservatism understands. These do not talk about old white christian folks needing to maintain power. It's just simple common sense based on historical fact. I think much of the country is at the apathy/dependence stage. Bondage is next.
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It is quite clear that the LIV's you take issue with are the ones who do not vote the way you do.
 
Captain America said:
I know, right?!?

SailaWay is somewhat the poster child of the very topic at hand.

Man, you can't write irony like this. :lamo
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He has an unnatural fetish about IQ, but won't tell us his (I am guessing he thinks that anyone with a lower IQ than him should be barred from voting) LOL
 
beefheart said:
He has an unnatural fetish about IQ, but won't tell us his (I am guessing he thinks that anyone with a lower IQ than him should be barred from voting) LOL
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I just remind myself, "But for the grace of God go I."

I don't get any particular enjoyment in picking on the kids on the short bus. In fact, I tend to want to protect and defend them. So I would appreciate it if you wouldn't beat up on him so bad. Okay? Thanks.
 
Captain America said:
I just remind myself, "But for the grace of God go I."

I don't get any particular enjoyment in picking on the kids on the short bus. In fact, I tend to want to protect and defend them. So I would appreciate it if you wouldn't beat up on him so bad. Okay? Thanks.
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I just want to know the IQ, its a reasonable question
 
beefheart said:
I just want to know the IQ, its a reasonable question
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I suppose.

Without elaboration, my personal IQ, if we are to believe the generally accepted modes of testing, is nothing to sneeze at. I am very comfortable with my scoring.

However, that being said, I make a ton of money off of people with higher IQ's than mine, who couldn't pour piss out of a boot with directions written on the heel.

IQ's can be over rated IMO.
 
Captain America said:
I suppose.

Without elaboration, my personal IQ, if we are to believe the generally accepted modes of testing, is nothing to sneeze at. I am very comfortable with my scoring.

However, that being said, I make a ton of money off of people with higher IQ's than mine, who couldn't pour piss out of a boot with directions written on the heel.

IQ's can be over rated IMO.
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Same here, but it doesn't mean much....it does make pub trivia contests pretty fun though.
 
Fletch said:
But it is not clear how successful they would be or just how much integrity exists in the press today.
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A fair opinion and position, but it's a far cry from that to "proving mainstream media bias". While I'm not saying you are alleging it, it is certainly alleged in Republican circles that nightly news is biased. At this point, the best evidence for that is "gut feeling because many/most journalists are liberal". And I'm sorry, that's just not enough evidence for me to go on.
 
Cable said:
It's just a foolish point to make, Trump supporting the war based on an off-hand comment where he obviously hadn't considered it very strongly. "Yeah, I guess so..."
You can say he is lying all you like
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He is. He claimed he didn't say it and he did. Trump could have said "I said I supported but I just didn't know enough at the time", but he didn't. He is flatly denying having ever said it and he is clinging to the position he was against the Iraq war when we have audio proof to the contrary.

That makes him a liar on this point.
This is what you libs base your 'facts' on?
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I'm not a "lib" but yes, I base my facts on a person claiming he never said something I can clearly hear him say.

It's liberal bias to make a big deal out of it for political points. You don't get any points from this crap, but apparently you don't know that. That's a good thing. Makes you all look the fool.
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Says the person who is defending a liar. :roll:

I know you'd like to see all conservative thought silenced.
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Holy strawman, Batman!

Your lying crew and your biased media may just have your behinds handed to you on election day. That will be a sweet victory indeed.
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I don't have a crew and don't own media. But it's good to see you're not interested in facts or objectivity.
No media bias. :lamo I don't even feel the need to support it.
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Yes, why would you bother supporting something which isn't proven? :roll:
 
Cable said:
Racism appeared already when you said: "Donald Trump has great appeal to lower educated white blue collar workers." What goes around comes around it seems.
Its just mental that you think it's fine on one side of the ticket but does not apply on your side.
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What ?

Racism appears nowhere in that sentence. What the hell are you talking about ?
 
Cable said:
Why do you push the myth that the mainstream media is not biased? It clearly is.

One point in fact regarding misinformation from so many liberal sources, including Hillary, is that Trump supported the war.
His comment to Stearn on do you support the war: "I guess so..."
OK technically he said yes, but anyone with a mind can understand that was an uninformed acquiescence. I guess so means I haven't really thought about it much, or I don't have many facts about it...
On the other hand Hillary had all the facts available and voted for it. Who is the guilty party?
Funny how Hillary hammers on this point, when it is tenuous at best.
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I saw another poster leave out the same part of that quote in another thread. Why?

Here is the whole quote

Stern asked Trump directly if he supported going to war with Iraq, and Trump hesitantly responded, “Yeah, I guess so.”
Donald Trump and the Iraq War


(just saw in a later post you included the YEAH part)
 
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beefheart said:
What is your IQ?
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What's so funny is posters who want some type of test always assume that they will be included. What they don't realize is that the person who makes the test just might exclude them, leaving them on the outside looking in.....:lol:
 
Captain America said:
The REAL snakes are the one's who cherry picked and manipulated the lies and intel (or the lack thereof,) that duped the people, both left and right, in to voting for it in the first place. And those people wore the GOP brand.
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I assume you're including Bill Clinton and the rest of western intelligence in the "REAL snakes" category. What brand did they wear, again?
 
humbolt said:
I assume you're including Bill Clinton and the rest of western intelligence in the "REAL snakes" category. What brand did they wear, again?
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Well, you know what they say when you assume.

I am talking about Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, Powell, Rice and Rove with the assistance of FOXNews.

(Certainly, Clinton had his share of bombing Iraqi "radar tracking stations," during his "quiet war," but I always just thought he did that to appease the military industrial complex so they could sell a few bombs and keep from laying people off. LOL!)

The real Iraqi ****storm, that sent the US into a nosedive, that's straight up GOP.
 
haymarket said:
You have to wonder if something new is happening which will change an old charge that has existed here and elsewhere over the last many years.

Over and over again we hear how in polls and surveys and primary results, Donald Trump has great appeal to lower educated white blue collar workers. In years past people with this level of education would have been derisively termed LOW INFORMATION VOTERS and it would be assumed that they vote for Democrats. But now large swaths of these folks are voting for Trump.

Leaving aside the problem of defining the term in the first place - will the excuse makers of the right have to now change their tactics and labels because of Trump and his appeal?

Or will the ugly head of race be reared and we hear how some Blacks and Hispanics are low information voters and voted for Clinton?
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Anyone who votes for Clinton is indeed a low information voter and being a low information voter has nothing to do with education.
 
apdst said:
Anyone who votes for Clinton is indeed a low information voter and being a low information voter has nothing to do with education.
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And if you vote for Trump, you're a Soviet stooge.
 
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