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Its official. Trump transcends incompetent buffoon to dangerous demogogue

Vern said:
Roiled by female accusers he said didn’t exist, Trump has resorted to the worst kind of rhetoric

“We’ve seen this firsthand in the WikiLeaks documents in which Hillary Clinton meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of U.S. sovereignty in order to enrich these global financial powers, her special interest friends and her donors,” he said, referring to the group that has, most recently, published thousands of hacked emails from Mrs. Clinton’s campaign chairman.”

You just don’t get to claim “destruction of U.S. sovereignty” as a representative of any responsible party. Republicans can spin and deflect about women accusing him of harassment but they can’t sit quietly by when he says that. McCain to his credit shut down the conservative sewage calling then candidate President Obama a terrorist. But the person spewing this sewage is the republican nominee.

Republicans have no excuse ignoring this. when democracy comes to an end in this country, conservatives will cheer the end of tyranny. conservatives need to speak up about this type of rhetoric.
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Remember back when Democrats accused Bush of plotting with the Saudi's to murder thousands of American citizens? Good times.
 
cpwill said:
Remember back when Democrats accused Bush of plotting with the Saudi's to murder thousands of American citizens? Good times.
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no, I don't.
 
cpwill said:
Well, it was way, way, way, way back in 2004, so you may not even have been born yet.
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Please refresh my memory (this isn't a chat room)
 
cpwill said:
....you really don't recall 9/11 Trutherism?
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CP, you made a claim and I asked you to back it up. you of course deflect with a question as if you're making a point. If you're following the conservative flow chart, your next post will be to whine about me. Now please stop treating this like a chatroom and back up your claim that "Democrats accused Bush of plotting with the Saudi's to murder thousands of American citizens." If you continue to deflect I'll simply assume you made it up.
 
Vern said:
national debt doubled under BO. No it didn't even if you use the made up conservative "debt by inauguration day" metric. Conservatives have stifled your independent thought

our international realtions are the worst I can remember, you're obediently posting what you were told to believe. and not for nothing it was worse when our allies found out we lied them into Iraq. again conservatives have stifled your independent thought

our inner cities seem to be tending toward civil war. again, you're obediently posting what you were told to believe. again conservatives have stifled your independent thought

Now what probably confused you when your read my other posts was the way I would make a claim and back it up. You simply repeating what you were told to believe is not confusing to me at all. any details yet on the "master plan" for "Hillary plotting the destruction of U.S. sovereignty" yet? It is the thread topic.

Hey if you want to learn how Bush is responsible for the Bush Mortgage Bubble, here's a thread for you. And cable, it wouldn't hurt you to learn something.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...-bubble-faqs-w-1083-1531-a.html?highlight=faq
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Funny, it sounds like you just "no it didn't" three times.
 
Vern said:
CP, you made a claim and I asked you to back it up. you of course deflect with a question as if you're making a point.
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If you want me to demonstrate to you the historical reality of 9/11 Trutherism, I will be happy to do so.

Politico: More Than Half of Democrats believe Bush Knew.

Care to guess who was put in the Presidential Box of the 2004 Democrat Convention?



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Right there with Jimmy Carter.
 
Cable said:
Funny, it sounds like you just "no it didn't" three times.
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cable, two of them are just your obedient opinion because you conservative masters "stifle independent thought" but the first one you posted is just a falsehood. Its a number you can easily look up. I notice you chose not to.
 
cpwill said:
If you want me to demonstrate to you the historical reality of 9/11 Trutherism, I will be happy to do so.

Politico: More Than Half of Democrats believe Bush Knew.

Care to guess who was put in the Presidential Box of the 2004 Democrat Convention?

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Right there with Jimmy Carter.
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and there it is, the pivot. I think Bush knew too. I've stated as much. You said "Democrats accused Bush of plotting with the Saudi's to murder thousands of American citizens". So CP, you're smart enough to know what you posted is false. the only question is do you have the integrity to admit it.
 
the comforting part to think about is that in less than a month, we will forget about "cheetoh jesus" AKA Trump.
 
Vern said:
cable, two of them are just your obedient opinion because you conservative masters "stifle independent thought" but the first one you posted is just a falsehood. Its a number you can easily look up. I notice you chose not to.
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Are you quibbling over some odd percentages? The image below is a bit dated. What does this show you?
When I look at it, and at the Market data, I see a runaway issue. Something looks like it's about to give.

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Militant_Vegan_ said:
the comforting part to think about is that in less than a month, we will forget about "cheetoh jesus" AKA Trump.
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Right, and you won't have to worry what Hillary is up to, because she will lie about it anyway. Just smoke your pipe and believe she has your best interest at heart. Believe.
 
Cable said:
Right, and you won't have to worry what Hillary is up to, because she will lie about it anyway. Just smoke your pipe and believe she has your best interest at heart. Believe.
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that wasn't much of a response.
 
Vern said:
I think Bush knew too. I've stated as much.
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Ah. :shrug: okedoke. Then you are the equivalent of the people you complain about, and lack a leg to stand on.
 
Cable said:
Right, and you won't have to worry what Hillary is up to, because she will lie about it anyway. Just smoke your pipe and believe she has your best interest at heart. Believe.
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President Clinton will be the fault of the abysmal incompetence of the Republican Party.
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
no pipe dream. Donald Trump is not going to win the election.
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Aside from what some might think, he is not my only hope. I'd hardly call him much hope at all. Just an alternative to the nastiness that is Hillary and the Progressive crew who will reshape our world whether we like it or not.
 
Cable said:
Are you quibbling over some odd percentages? The image below is a bit dated. What does this show you?
When I look at it, and at the Market data, I see a runaway issue. Something looks like it's about to give.
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good job looking for a graph that really showed the problem. Because I can think for myself, I simply go the Treasury Dept for treasury data. How funny is that?

09/30/2015 18,150,617,666,484.33
09/30/2014 17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2015

Bush started with 5.8 trillion and a surplus. President Obama started with 11.9 trillion and the massive Bush Deficits (yes, they have a name). So President Obama wont double the nat'l debt like bush who started with a surplus. (just so know I already know what your "stifled independent thought" reply will be).
 
cpwill said:
Ah. :shrug: okedoke. Then you are the equivalent of the people you complain about, and lack a leg to stand on.
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CP, I don't have to take a single phrase out of context and claim "Hillary is plotting the destruction of U.S. sovereignty.” That's the kind of ridiculous hyperbole you posted. I simply point to the repeated warnings Bush and company ignored. I don't have to "misparaphrase" the first FBI warning of TERRORISTS IN FLIGHT SCHOOLS that was ignored.

In July 2001, an FBI agent in the Phoenix field office sent a memo to FBI headquarters and to two agents on international terrorism squads in the New York Field Office, advising of the “possibility of a coordinated effort by Usama Bin Ladin” to send students to the United States to attend civil aviation schools.The agent based his theory on the “inordinate number of individuals of investigative interest” attending such schools in Arizona.

And I can show that Cheney lied to the 9-11 commission which is impressive considering that Cheney only "spoke" to the commission in secret, only for an hour and only to the Chairman. I would like another 9-11 investigation. What is destructive or irresponsible about that? We had 8 or 9 investigations into Benghazi but only half of an investigation of the worst terrorist attack in American history.

So to clear up any confusion you'll continue to pretend to have. A representative of a major party is trying to undermine confidence in our govt if controlled by a democrat. I, a private citizen, would like another investigation into 9-11. See how I don't have to resort to ridiculous hyperbole like you and trump.
 
Vern said:
CP, I don't have to take a single phrase out of context and claim "Hillary is plotting the destruction of U.S. sovereignty.” That's the kind of ridiculous hyperbole you posted.
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[emoji38] where?


You wanted to believe the worst of a politician you hated, and now you are upset that others are doing likewise.

I simply point to the repeated warnings Bush and company ignored. I don't have to "misparaphrase" the first FBI warning of TERRORISTS IN FLIGHT SCHOOLS that was ignored.
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:shrug: take it to the CT forum, and I'll explain to you the difference between actionable and non actionable intelligence. Not that you'll care - you have your emotionally satisfying narrative and that's what you want - but I'll explain it.


In July 2001, an FBI agent in the Phoenix field office sent a memo to FBI headquarters and to two agents on international terrorism squads in the New York Field Office, advising of the “possibility of a coordinated effort by Usama Bin Ladin” to send students to the United States to attend civil aviation schools.The agent based his theory on the “inordinate number of individuals of investigative interest” attending such schools in Arizona.

So to clear up any confusion you'll continue to pretend to have. A representative of a major party is trying to undermine confidence in our govt if controlled by a democrat.
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:shrug: Which, at worst, makes them the moral equivalent of the other major party.



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cpwill said:
[emoji38] where?
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there it is, the pretend confusion I so often see from conservatives. Your response to what Trump said was to try to show something similar so you created the "democrats think bush plotted with Saudis". Besides the fact that I'm speaking about the representative of a major party spewing it, you had to make up a narrative to post "see, they're the same". You're a victim of your own hyperbole.

You wanted to believe the worst of a politician you hated, and now you are upset that others are doing likewise.
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Besides the fact that I don't hate trump, you just explained the mindset of every conservative "wah wah I hate her, everything said about her must be true". I'm not parroting what someone told me to believe. I quoting Trump. so just to be clear, he's just spewing dangerous rhetoric out of desperation. We used to only get that sewage from the conservative media and blogosphere. And here's the best part CP, you agree. Its why you made up a narrative to post "wah wah, they both do it". So you're admitting Trump's rhetoric was dangerous and desperate.

:shrug: take it to the CT forum, and I'll explain to you the difference between actionable and non actionable intelligence. Not that you'll care - you have your emotionally satisfying narrative and that's what you want - but I'll explain it.
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CP, that's just sad. I find no satisfaction that Bush and company either ignored the clear and repeated warnings to further their secret day 1 agenda to invade Iraq or were grossly incompetent. You feel free to cling to the "what could he have done" narrative but that is for you emotional needs. And why would I need to post the first of two FBI WARNINGS OF TERRORISTS IN FLIGHT SCHOOLS in the CT section? Its right from the 9-11 Commission.

:shrug: Which, at worst, makes them the moral equivalent of the other major party.
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this makes no sense. There is simply no equivalent to the constant dishonest and dangerous rhetoric we get from the right. If there was, you wouldn't have had to make up a "narrative".
 
Vern said:
there it is, the pretend confusion I so often see from conservatives. Your response to what Trump said was to try to show something similar so you created the "democrats think bush plotted with Saudis". Besides the fact that I'm speaking about the representative of a major party spewing it, you had to make up a narrative to post "see, they're the same". You're a victim of your own hyperbole.
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You claimed:

Vern said:
Hillary is plotting the destruction of U.S. sovereignty.” That's the kind of ridiculous hyperbole you posted.
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Where have I argued that Hillary is plotting the destruction of US Sovereignty? Unlike you and your mirror images on the right, I don't go in for hyperbolic, idiotic conspiracy theories whose main purpose is to emotionally gratify myself that those I disagree with are also evil.

Besides the fact that I don't hate trump, you just explained the mindset of every conservative "wah wah I hate her, everything said about her must be true".
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No, that is the mindset of many who truly do, and so therefore truly do. Just as it is the mindset of many on the left, who took Bush Derrangement Syndromes to new heights.

so just to be clear, he's just spewing dangerous rhetoric out of desperation. We used to only get that sewage from the conservative media and blogosphere. And here's the best part CP, you agree. Its why you made up a narrative to post "wah wah, they both do it". So you're admitting Trump's rhetoric was dangerous and desperate.
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:raises eyebrow: catch up, dude. I"ve been arguing that Trump is dangerous to our body politic since last fall. I simply don't therefore fail to recognize that - contra your claim that we used to only get that kind of sewage from the conservative media sphere - the willingness to engage in rhetoric that tears at the base of trust in our governing system in order to score cheap, temporary partisan points is a bipartisan failing. Liberals did it under Bush to a breadth not yet seen from the right.

CP, that's just sad. I find no satisfaction that Bush and company either ignored the clear and repeated warnings to further their secret day 1 agenda to invade Iraq or were grossly incompetent.
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Sure. And Trump fans find no "satisfaction" in the "fact" that Hillary is plotting to steal the election and then destroy U.S. soveriegnty. They merely take away from it the same thing that you do - "satisfaction" of the desire to see the opposition in the worst terms possible, even if that requires descent into discrediting conspiracy theories.

You feel free to cling to the "what could he have done" narrative but that is for you emotional needs
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Not really. Translating intelligence reporting into actionable and/or SA analysis for commanders was my job.

And why would I need to post the first of two FBI WARNINGS OF TERRORISTS IN FLIGHT SCHOOLS in the CT section? Its right from the 9-11 Commission.
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Yup.


Here: I'll give you two reports (made up) you tell me what, as President, you should do to stop the attack:



1. Sir, sensitive reporting indicates that ISIL has an attack cell that intends to attack the United States. Given the communication, it is likely intended to be a high profile attack, indicating either a mass-casualty event or a high-profile target.

2. Sir, the FBI reports that two U.S. citizens, who have since left the community, and whose locations are unknown bought a truck. So, however, did millions of other people, many of whom are suspicious in their own right.


Whatcha do? Pull all trucks off the road? No More Driving Until We Know Whether Or Not One Piece Of Intelligence Fits The Other!!! :roll:

And that model is simplified with the noise pulled out, to highlight only the signal. Intel doesn't work like that.

Think of it like putting a puzzle together - sure, it takes time and is complicated, but you start with the corner pieces, and you have the picture. Except then someone takes the picture away. Okay, well, you still have the corner pieces and the edge pieces and you can start to make rational deduction- and then someone takes 2/3rds of your pieces away. Okay, well, you won't get the whole thing but you can build outwards from what you have and - and then someone takes that 1/3rd of the puzzle you still have, and mixes it in with 1/3rd of 10 other puzzles. Oh. And if you don't get it done in the next 15 minutes, I'm going to shoot someone, and you'll be blamed.

That's intel. But the American moron population (on the right and the left) somehow think it works like the Jason Bourne movies. :roll:
 
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