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I have spent weeks watching the polls trying to figure out how Trump could be gaining. I get that he is supported by a certain fringe on the right, but his temperament and utter ignorance of policy should disqualify him among more even tempered moderates. What makes him different is he is a master of coalescing hate. Hate of Clinton, hate of Obama, hate of the Establishment, hate of the left wing media, hate of illegal immigrants, hate of black thugs, hate of egalitarianism, hate of political correctness, hate of foreign trade partners like China and Mexico, etc. I could not understand his claim to make "America Great Again" and his dystopic view of the country as declining into a Third World Nation until I realized he has been building a coalition of hate. That is why he does better in the polls when he expresses hateful views and doubles down on them. He has exposed what years of political deadlock and fear mongering from the right wing media has produced...a public that detests where the country is right now and wants change, even if it is regressive and at the hands of a narcissistic egomaniac. That is scary because there is no putting that genie back in the bottle. Whether Trump wins or loses the new coalition has formed and it will eventually tear the GOP apart and replace it with something ugly and motivated by pure animus.
 
CriticalThought said:
I have spent weeks watching the polls trying to figure out how Trump could be gaining. I get that he is supported by a certain fringe on the right, but his temperament and utter ignorance of policy should disqualify him among more even tempered moderates. What makes him different is he is a master of coalescing hate. Hate of Clinton, hate of Obama, hate of the Establishment, hate of the left wing media, hate of illegal immigrants, hate of black thugs, hate of egalitarianism, hate of political correctness, hate of foreign trade partners like China and Mexico, etc. I could not understand his claim to make "America Great Again" and his dystopic view of the country as declining into a Third World Nation until I realized he has been building a coalition of hate. That is why he does better in the polls when he expresses hateful views and doubles down on them. He has exposed what years of political deadlock and fear mongering from the right wing media has produced...a public that detests where the country is right now and wants change, even if it is regressive and at the hands of a narcissistic egomaniac. That is scary because there is no putting that genie back in the bottle. Whether Trump wins or loses the new coalition has formed and it will eventually tear the GOP apart and replace it with something ugly and motivated by pure animus.
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I think you're misrepresenting some things.
We've had at least 30 years of punting on illegal immigration, have you seen the American businesses that won't hire Americans?
Working class people have.
We've had two groups that use these illegal immigrants for two very shady purposes.
One to benefit the businesses, the other to create a voting wedge to dominance.

That's just one example.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I think you're misrepresenting some things.
We've had at least 30 years of punting on illegal immigration, have you seen the American businesses that won't hire Americans?
Working class people have.
We've had two groups that use these illegal immigrants for two very shady purposes.
One to benefit the businesses, the other to create a voting wedge to dominance.

That's just one example.
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I can't say I have had that experience. I am not sure how Trump is going to fix it, but he certainly knows how to use it.
 
CriticalThought said:
That is scary because there is no putting that genie back in the bottle. Whether Trump wins or loses the new coalition has formed and it will eventually tear the GOP apart and replace it with something ugly and motivated by pure animus.
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Yep, that's an excellent point. Even if Trump loses big, the people following him, his supporters will just blame his loss on the media, the Republican politicians who refuse to endorse endorsing him, the minorities, and many other conspiracies fueled by their hate and just move on to start their own party.

IDK if this will tear the GOP apart. But it's going to hurt.
 
CriticalThought said:
I can't say I have had that experience. I am not sure how Trump is going to fix it, but he certainly knows how to use it.
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I don't know if he will.
I'm skeptical of any politicians claim to do so.

With that said, it's not necessarily hate of the people, but hate of whats going on with them.
We've had multiple chicken processing plants, near where I live.

Americans did not work there, the place paid, minimum wage and no raises.
These people tend to live in boarding houses, which are single family homes, that exceed local ordinances on occupancy.
No one does anything about it.

It's not just a federal thing, it's a local, state and federal thing.
Everyone ignores it for the sake of the businesses around here.
 
There was a movement once to make English the country's official language. It was shot down by liberals. Now in California, you can be discriminated against in employment if you are not bilingual.

"Whites and blacks need not apply".
 
CriticalThought said:
I have spent weeks watching the polls trying to figure out how Trump could be gaining. I get that he is supported by a certain fringe on the right, but his temperament and utter ignorance of policy should disqualify him among more even tempered moderates. What makes him different is he is a master of coalescing hate. Hate of Clinton, hate of Obama, hate of the Establishment, hate of the left wing media, hate of illegal immigrants, hate of black thugs, hate of egalitarianism, hate of political correctness, hate of foreign trade partners like China and Mexico, etc. I could not understand his claim to make "America Great Again" and his dystopic view of the country as declining into a Third World Nation until I realized he has been building a coalition of hate. That is why he does better in the polls when he expresses hateful views and doubles down on them. He has exposed what years of political deadlock and fear mongering from the right wing media has produced...a public that detests where the country is right now and wants change, even if it is regressive and at the hands of a narcissistic egomaniac. That is scary because there is no putting that genie back in the bottle. Whether Trump wins or loses the new coalition has formed and it will eventually tear the GOP apart and replace it with something ugly and motivated by pure animus.
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Yeah, I couldn't understand Libertarians, either, until I realized they were all a bunch of drug-addled morons and wannabe John Galts. Life was much easier once I realized that everyone who disagreed with me was evil :)
 
cpwill said:
Yeah, I couldn't understand Libertarians, either, until I realized they were all a bunch of drug-addled morons and wannabe John Galts. Life was much easier once I realized that everyone who disagreed with me was evil :)
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I can't get Trump supporters to give me any other reasons for supporting him aside from hating Clinton or resenting some group. Help me out. Why do you support him?
 
CriticalThought said:
I can't get Trump supporters to give me any other reasons for supporting him aside from hating Clinton or resenting some group. Help me out. Why do you support him?
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:shrug: I don't. But people can support him for reasons other than hatred, and I know people who do.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yep, that's an excellent point. Even if Trump loses big, the people following him, his supporters will just blame his loss on the media, the Republican politicians who refuse to endorse endorsing him, the minorities, and many other conspiracies fueled by their hate and just move on to start their own party.

IDK if this will tear the GOP apart. But it's going to hurt.
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Yup. I keep hoping that the GOP will finally either implode or kick out the nutjob social conservatives and evangelicals so that I might finally return to them one day, but they just keep doubling down on their social engineering lunacy and moralistic crusade of blue-nosed prudery and idiocy.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: I don't. But people can support him for reasons other than hatred, and I know people who do.
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Where are they? I can't find them. Why do they say they support him?
 
CriticalThought said:
I can't get Trump supporters to give me any other reasons for supporting him aside from hating Clinton or resenting some group. Help me out. Why do you support him?
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If people support Trump because they hate Clinton, then that should be good enough a reason for you.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Yup. I keep hoping that the GOP will finally either implode or kick out the nutjob social conservatives and evangelicals so that I might finally return to them one day, but they just keep doubling down on their social engineering lunacy and moralistic crusade of blue-nosed prudery and idiocy.
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I hear you. I was a Republican for 30+ years. There's MANY reasons I got out, but 1 of them was the far right turn the GOP took on social issues. They no longer gave a damn about being a true FISCAL CONSERVATIVE. All they gave a damn about was social issues.

And what pissed me off even more then that turn to the far right was the moderate Republicans who sat on their asses and did nothing to stop it Like Mitt Romney. The man was so moderate he got elected to the gov of Mass. But then he bends over to the RW social nutjobs in 2012? He flip flops on every social issue and becomes a hard line social nutcase?

Hell with them all.
 
CriticalThought said:
I have spent weeks watching the polls trying to figure out how Trump could be gaining. I get that he is supported by a certain fringe on the right, but his temperament and utter ignorance of policy should disqualify him among more even tempered moderates. What makes him different is he is a master of coalescing hate. Hate of Clinton, hate of Obama, hate of the Establishment, hate of the left wing media, hate of illegal immigrants, hate of black thugs, hate of egalitarianism, hate of political correctness, hate of foreign trade partners like China and Mexico, etc. I could not understand his claim to make "America Great Again" and his dystopic view of the country as declining into a Third World Nation until I realized he has been building a coalition of hate. That is why he does better in the polls when he expresses hateful views and doubles down on them. He has exposed what years of political deadlock and fear mongering from the right wing media has produced...a public that detests where the country is right now and wants change, even if it is regressive and at the hands of a narcissistic egomaniac. That is scary because there is no putting that genie back in the bottle. Whether Trump wins or loses the new coalition has formed and it will eventually tear the GOP apart and replace it with something ugly and motivated by pure animus.
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There is no candidate who does more to polarize and generate contempt and hate for people than does Hillary Clinton. For me it is no contest there.

Donald Trump is an imperfect candidate, but I frankly don't care. He is an imperfect person and I allow that as we have yet to elect anybody to office who is a perfect person. He didn't have a good debate but I don't care. He'll do better next time.

I support Donald Trump because I think he will appoint good Supreme Court justices and I think Hillary's appointments will be disastrous.

I support Donald Trump because he has a track record for getting things done when others have failed, and because he is not a politician nor an ideologue nor a partisan, he will focus on how to get things done instead of how to impress this or that faction. He knows how to get the economy back on track while Hillary will continue the failed policies that have killed jobs and discouraged business expansion that creates jobs.

I support Donald Trump because he sees the folly and bad results of our nation continuing to hand over its sovereignty to some world order concept. Hillary will continue to do that as she has essentially pledged to do.

I support Donald Trump because he sees the value and merit in language, borders, and culture and Hillary doesn't seem to have a clue.
 
chuckiechan said:
There was a movement once to make English the country's official language. It was shot down by liberals. Now in California, you can be discriminated against in employment if you are not bilingual.

"Whites and blacks need not apply".
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It's my recollection that the Senate passed a English as the official language bill and it was Bush who rejected it.
 
AlbqOwl said:
There is no candidate who does more to polarize and generate contempt and hate for people than does Hillary Clinton. For me it is no contest there.

Donald Trump is an imperfect candidate, but I frankly don't care. He is an imperfect person and I allow that as we have yet to elect anybody to office who is a perfect person. He didn't have a good debate but I don't care. He'll do better next time.

I support Donald Trump because I think he will appoint good Supreme Court justices and I think Hillary's appointments will be disastrous.

I support Donald Trump because he has a track record for getting things done when others have failed, and because he is not a politician nor an ideologue nor a partisan, he will focus on how to get things done instead of how to impress this or that faction. He knows how to get the economy back on track while Hillary will continue the failed policies that have killed jobs and discouraged business expansion that creates jobs.

I support Donald Trump because he sees the folly and bad results of our nation continuing to hand over its sovereignty to some world order concept. Hillary will continue to do that as she has essentially pledged to do.

I support Donald Trump because he sees the value and merit in language, borders, and culture and Hillary doesn't seem to have a clue.
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SCOTUS I could accept as a valid reason. The rest is just weird.
 
CriticalThought said:
I have spent weeks watching the polls trying to figure out how Trump could be gaining. I get that he is supported by a certain fringe on the right, but his temperament and utter ignorance of policy should disqualify him among more even tempered moderates. What makes him different is he is a master of coalescing hate. Hate of Clinton, hate of Obama, hate of the Establishment, hate of the left wing media, hate of illegal immigrants, hate of black thugs, hate of egalitarianism, hate of political correctness, hate of foreign trade partners like China and Mexico, etc. I could not understand his claim to make "America Great Again" and his dystopic view of the country as declining into a Third World Nation until I realized he has been building a coalition of hate. That is why he does better in the polls when he expresses hateful views and doubles down on them. He has exposed what years of political deadlock and fear mongering from the right wing media has produced...a public that detests where the country is right now and wants change, even if it is regressive and at the hands of a narcissistic egomaniac. That is scary because there is no putting that genie back in the bottle. Whether Trump wins or loses the new coalition has formed and it will eventually tear the GOP apart and replace it with something ugly and motivated by pure animus.
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Of course, we can always hope that the hate coalition results in the inevitable--they end up hating each other.
 
I hate where the country is right now on pretty much every front I can think of, but I am no Trump supporter.

Oh and btw, it is somewhat egotistical to state someone believes in regressive views. Why you ask? Well, it is stating that your views are right and forward thinking, while their is going backwards to a time that we are to assume was worse. Factually speaking there is no forwards and backwards or right or wrong, so there is no such thing as the idea to even begin with outside of some partisan idiocy.
 
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CriticalThought said:
I have spent weeks watching the polls trying to figure out how Trump could be gaining. I get that he is supported by a certain fringe on the right, but his temperament and utter ignorance of policy should disqualify him among more even tempered moderates. What makes him different is he is a master of coalescing hate. Hate of Clinton, hate of Obama, hate of the Establishment, hate of the left wing media, hate of illegal immigrants, hate of black thugs, hate of egalitarianism, hate of political correctness, hate of foreign trade partners like China and Mexico, etc. I could not understand his claim to make "America Great Again" and his dystopic view of the country as declining into a Third World Nation until I realized he has been building a coalition of hate. That is why he does better in the polls when he expresses hateful views and doubles down on them. He has exposed what years of political deadlock and fear mongering from the right wing media has produced...a public that detests where the country is right now and wants change, even if it is regressive and at the hands of a narcissistic egomaniac. That is scary because there is no putting that genie back in the bottle. Whether Trump wins or loses the new coalition has formed and it will eventually tear the GOP apart and replace it with something ugly and motivated by pure animus.
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Fear UP has been the #1 sales tool of the elite for decades, political affiliation does not matter at all. The elite have absolutely created the conditions for the rise of Trump in many ways, at the top of the list is their lies and incompetence. You are right that things are not going back to the way they were after Trump stepped up to lead the disenfranchised, and has been talking about their long ignored concerns. THe question is what do they do now, do they reform or do we get a Putin? If Trump is put down the next leader of The Rebellion is sure to be much more capable if they dont reform, we will end up with our very own Putin.
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
I hear you. I was a Republican for 30+ years. There's MANY reasons I got out, but 1 of them was the far right turn the GOP took on social issues. They no longer gave a damn about being a true FISCAL CONSERVATIVE. All they gave a damn about was social issues.

And what pissed me off even more then that turn to the far right was the moderate Republicans who sat on their asses and did nothing to stop it Like Mitt Romney. The man was so moderate he got elected to the gov of Mass. But then he bends over to the RW social nutjobs in 2012? He flip flops on every social issue and becomes a hard line social nutcase?

Hell with them all.
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When you're against a party that is constantly trying to reshape the social views of the country it's a good idea to be a counterbalance to that.
 
Trumps is getting some support from people who want change in federal politics. I expect quite a few voted for Obama in the first election because they change he represented but did not really deliver.

Trump given what he has said, just lack of political experience just might deliver in the promuse if change. Good or most likely bad if elected I strongly doubt it will be politics as usual in DC and the world.

That said if he does really change things up I would not be surprised if he ends up dead within the first two years of being president
 
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