• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Ryan-led House GOP Releases new Welfare Reform Proposal

As part of his general push to reign in the Imperial Executive and make the Legislature the focal point of policy, Ryan is leading the House GOP to releasing broad-ranging policy proposals, intended to drive the GOP agenda for the next few years. Yesterday was the release of the Welfare Reform / Addressing Poverty section.

I'm planning on taking part of my afternoon and reading through the more in-depth version.

Here is the new one for today, National Security: http://abetterway.speaker.gov/_assets/pdf/ABetterWay-NSTF-PolicyPaper.pdf

Takes a few jabs at Trump: no wall, Muslims can come in, NATO is important.
 
So you don't want to reform programs except some. See, we are talking about the Ryan plan. The plan you are frothing at the mouth about does not exist.

Careful of those monsters hiding under your bed !!:lamo:lamo
 
Careful of those monsters hiding under your bed !!:lamo:lamo

Is there some reason you are unable to do more than spout jingoistic nonsense and avoid the topic of the thread?
 
Is there some reason you are unable to do more than spout jingoistic nonsense and avoid the topic of the thread?

It's because he hasn't received his email blast on the subject from Mark Levin yet.
 
I'm planning on taking part of my afternoon and reading through the more in-depth version.

Why? Didn't you read it the first 18 times they've released this plan? It's nothing different, just a bunch of dumb bull**** that addresses a borderline non-existent problem. Welfare is actually a very efficient program by government standards. There is very little money being spent there that isn't going to good use. Conversely we're spending billions on fighter planes that we can't even use, and republicans want to spend even more. Just ridiculous.
 
Is there some reason you are unable to do more than spout jingoistic nonsense and avoid the topic of the thread?

When you stop deflecting and take a second to read ,you will realize I have ! :roll::shock:
 
Well, no, actually you haven't.

Ryan and the Republicans want to bring OUR Country back to fiscal responsibility , level the trade playing field and put Americans back to work . Work is NOT a bad word !! Your party want to keep Americans and illegals dependent on the taxpayers to provide for everything from cell phones to emergency rides for hangnails . Hell your party started paying thugs $1000 a month NOT to kill each other . You must be proud !!! :lamo
 
Ryan and the Republicans want to bring OUR Country back to fiscal responsibility , level the trade playing field and put Americans back to work . Work is NOT a bad word !! Your party want to keep Americans and illegals dependent on the taxpayers to provide for everything from cell phones to emergency rides for hangnails . Hell your party started paying thugs $1000 a month NOT to kill each other . You must be proud !!! :lamo
I shouldn't bother, but....

• Republicans have a poor record of fiscal responsibility. E.g. Reagan increased spending and cut taxes, which unsurprisingly increased the deficit; Clinton generated a surplus; Bush 43 turned that surplus into then-record deficits when he taxes while simultaneously waging two insanely expensive wars, plus he added Medicare Part D; his policies and the recession saddled Obama with massive deficits, and since its peak the deficit has fallen by 2/3.

• No one is saying that "work is a bad word." No one.

• Unauthorized immigrants do not get any government benefits whatsoever. None, nada, zip. Their children, if born in the US, can get benefits -- but that's because they are citizens. And let's get real, no one is risking their life crossing open deserts and spending thousands to coyotes to collect $100 a month in food stamps.

• Free phones, eh? Reagan started a program to subsidize land-line phone service in the 80s; Bush 43 extended it to cell phones in 2008.

• As to the "pay criminals not to commit crime?" There's a pretty good chance that it actually works. The first program was in Richmond CA, which cut its crime rate in half. If it can be replicated, then yes, the people operating those programs should be proud.

Alternative methods for dealing with crime and punishment also isn't a partisan thing, as a lot of people from all over the political spectrum are slowly realizing that locking people up indefinitely doesn't work and is not justice.

The Conservative Case For Prison Reform
 
Yeah, at a first pass it sounds like the same ol' same ol'.

• Implement work requirements to cut back on safety nets
• Smooth out the "welfare cliffs" with... EITC, which already operates? Seems a bit odd.
• Extremely vague comments on "incentives" for businesses and individuals to do... what, it's not clear
• Shift more control to the 50 states, which will somehow reduce the 80+ national lower income aid programs
• Penalize "inefficient" safety net programs
• Switch from public housing to subsidies, sort of like Section 8, which already exists
• De-dupe programs
• Make a commission to develop efficiency standards for programs
• Get rid of "improper payments" (mostly, making sure EITC, UI, SSI and school meals have less errors)
• More Pre-K / Head Start stuff
• Uses at-risk youth as an excuse to push school vouchers
• Improve CTE (career and technical education)
• Improve secondary education
- clean up Pell Grants (which Republicans have cut for years)
- simplify student loan programs
• Privatize Social Security. Surprise!

It's not awful, and it doesn't spend a lot of time blaming the poor. I agree with some of the education recommendations, but I don't see much else that really tries to get people out of poverty.

The efficiency stuff and improper payments, yeah, I dunno. Sounds good on a slogan, much tougher to implement. E.g. the more work a program has to put into ensuring payments are done right, the less efficient it will be, as that's going to mean a torrent of documentation and active supervision.

regarding your last point... as less people are dependent upon welfare systems and they have less people to oversee for that they will need less people for that function and can transition those people into ensuring payments. etc.. I don't see that there would need to be bloat there at all.
 
I shouldn't bother, but....

• Republicans have a poor record of fiscal responsibility. E.g. Reagan increased spending and cut taxes, which unsurprisingly increased the deficit; Clinton generated a surplus; Bush 43 turned that surplus into then-record deficits when he taxes while simultaneously waging two insanely expensive wars, plus he added Medicare Part D; his policies and the recession saddled Obama with massive deficits, and since its peak the deficit has fallen by 2/3.

• No one is saying that "work is a bad word." No one.

• Unauthorized immigrants do not get any government benefits whatsoever. None, nada, zip. Their children, if born in the US, can get benefits -- but that's because they are citizens. And let's get real, no one is risking their life crossing open deserts and spending thousands to coyotes to collect $100 a month in food stamps.

• Free phones, eh? Reagan started a program to subsidize land-line phone service in the 80s; Bush 43 extended it to cell phones in 2008.

• As to the "pay criminals not to commit crime?" There's a pretty good chance that it actually works. The first program was in Richmond CA, which cut its crime rate in half. If it can be replicated, then yes, the people operating those programs should be proud.

Alternative methods for dealing with crime and punishment also isn't a partisan thing, as a lot of people from all over the political spectrum are slowly realizing that locking people up indefinitely doesn't work and is not justice.

The Conservative Case For Prison Reform

Your first thought was right , you shouldn't !!!! An undisclosed (uncommitted liberal) with a spend , spend ,spend attitude . :lamo
 
Ryan and the Republicans want to bring OUR Country back to fiscal responsibility , level the trade playing field and put Americans back to work . Work is NOT a bad word !! Your party want to keep Americans and illegals dependent on the taxpayers to provide for everything from cell phones to emergency rides for hangnails . Hell your party started paying thugs $1000 a month NOT to kill each other . You must be proud !!! :lamo

Do try and read the actual proposal, and what people here have said about the actual proposal. Right now you are just randomly braying nonsense.
 
Do try and read the actual proposal, and what people here have said about the actual proposal. Right now you are just randomly braying nonsense.

Wrong again , what I'm hearing is nonsense .:roll:
 
As part of his general push to reign in the Imperial Executive and make the Legislature the focal point of policy, Ryan is leading the House GOP to releasing broad-ranging policy proposals, intended to drive the GOP agenda for the next few years. Yesterday was the release of the Welfare Reform / Addressing Poverty section.

I'm planning on taking part of my afternoon and reading through the more in-depth version.

At last, the GOP is going to reform corporate welfare :)
 
Someone might want to slip Ryan a note letting him know he's not a staffer at a think tank, he's the Speaker of the House of Representatives. If he wants to pursue policy change, he has a actual avenue for doing that. Introduce legislation, get it marked up by the relevant committees, debate it in committee, debate it on the floor, amend it, vote on it.

Enough with the white papers already. If he prefers to churn out proposals about what someone could pursue if only they had control of Congress, he should go get a faculty position somewhere.
 
Back
Top Bottom