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43% in Iowa identify themselves as socialist !

James972 said:
yes but now, even after Obama, Sanders wants to make the tit far bigger still proving that a liberal is a socialist is a communist since people always want more free stuff and liberals always want more votes.
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You have a very strange standard of "proof."
 
RetiredUSN said:
It's no wonder why they are. They have been sucking off the tit of government subsidies for generations.
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I believe the politically correct pronunciation is "teat." :cool:
 
First, here's the link I think the OP meant to post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...is-number-proves-bernie-sanders-can-win-iowa/

So, the title of the thread is:

43% in Iowa identify themselves as socialist!

Under most conditions, this would mean that 43% of human beings in Iowa identify themselves as socialist. Perhaps it might reasonably mean that 43% of adults, or even 43% of registered voters, identify as socialist.

In fact, the Poll on which the claim is apparently based indicates that 43% of likely democratic caucus-goers describe themselves as socialist (38% call themselves capitalist). Note that this isn't the same as saying 43% of democrats in Iowa are socialist. Caucus goers tend to be hard-core into politics. So, based on the data, we cannot infer:

James972 said:
well, 43% [of democrats]say they are socialists
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Now, what of the below?

James972 said:
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
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So, as it turns out, this quote is misattributed. No one knows who said it. See:

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Norman_Thomas

James972 said:
Only our Founders and modern Republicans prevent liberals from subjecting us to communism.
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I'm curious about how anyone would support such a claim.

James972 said:
Why did you think our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin?
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Does that mean that all American liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin? That would be downright absurd. Presumably it just means that some American liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin (also, presumably not the same liberals spied for each). But then, so did some conservatives. Fritz Duquesne was a Boer officer. Evelyn Lewis was pretty conservative.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ said:
I believe the politically correct pronunciation is "teat."
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That may be correct. But, here's a bit of trivia:

The word "breast" is not the correct word to refer to the mammary glands of human females. The word is "teat," which is properly pronounced "tit." Interesting in showing how language can sometimes be hijacked...especially when anything to do with sex, politics, or religion is involved (I suppose teats have something to do with all three).
 
James972 said:
whoops my C just became a B. Shall we go on?

Socialism didn't slowly starve 120 million people to death in USSR/Red China?? Nazism didn't kill 60 million in WW2? Whether socialism and Nazism(National Socialism) or humans who practiced socialism and National socialism killed 180 million human souls is a distinction without a difference!! Sorry to rock your world.
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So since the Nazi's called their ideology National Socialism and thus were socialists as you argue, does that mean that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy ran by the people? I mean that is their name, so by your reasoning...
 
James972 said:
It was no big secret that Democrats are socialists but thanks to Bernie Sanders they are no longer afraid to say it in public in this country. This means their anti-American revolution is taking hold. Yikes! The question is why would anybody be a socialist when socialism slowly starved 120 million human souls to death and when the instant China switched from socialism to capitalism it eliminated 40% of all the poverty on earth.
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It is so embarrassing to be a socialist. It means you are either a dumbdumb or a populist.
 
joG said:
It is so embarrassing to be a socialist. It means you are either a dumbdumb or a populist.
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It's very generous of you to describe someone as a dumbdumb when they subscribe to a political philosophy that killed 120 million human souls.
 
Captain America said:
Now if we could just get the republicans to finally admit they're fascist we can all go to the pub and get some beer!
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no doubt... there's a whole boat load of "conservatives" out there who are fascist and need to come clean.

to me, the only upside to the GOP is that they still allow libertarians, moderates , and consitutionalists in their midst.... the Dems can't really say that anymore, they shrug off anyone who isn't way left, or far left.

anyways, the tents in both camps are getting too small... that stuff will bite them in the ass in the years to come.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
So since the Nazi's called their ideology National Socialism and thus were socialists as you argue, does that mean that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy ran by the people? I mean that is their name, so by your reasoning...
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Well, Democratic, from Greece forward meant rule by the people, not at all what the DPRK has. But, Hitler Stalin and Mao had remarkably similar approaches to central govt. Don't forget our Founders knew that powerful central govts, regardless of their rationale, were the source of evil in human history. And, our Founders knew that without seeing Hitler Stalin and Mao. Liberals have seen them and still don't understand it or the basic principle of America (freedom from govt) that made us so great.
 
Thrilla said:
no doubt... there's a whole boat load of "conservatives" out there who are fascist and need to come clean.
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what on earth???? Conservatives are very very limited govt while fascists are for very powerful govt. Sorry to rock your world.


Here are some quotes to jump start your education:

"You want to know what Fascism is? It is like your New Deal."
-- Mussolini, during a visit to New York City


-W.E.B DuBois: (the most important black liberal leader in the first half of the 20th Century) "Joseph Stalin was a great man; few other men of the 20th Century approach his stature. The formation of the Nazi dictatorship was absolutely necessary to get the state in order." In 1937 he proclaimed: "there is today more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past."

-Guy Tugwell: (FDR Brain Trust) said of fascism: "It's the cleanest, neatest piece...of social machinery I've ever seen."
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
So since the Nazi's called their ideology National Socialism and thus were socialists as you argue, does that mean that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy ran by the people? I mean that is their name, so by your reasoning...
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Nazis were most certainly Socialists ( that doesn't make all socialists nazis, though)..... national socialism , while still socialism, was their own Germanic brand of hyper extremist bull****.

North Korea certainly isn't Democratic,..... they are , however, a straight up Socialist country
 
James972 said:
Well, Democratic, from Greece forward meant rule by the people, not at all what the DPRK has. But, Hitler Stalin and Mao had remarkably similar approaches to central govt. Don't forget our Founders knew that powerful central govts, regardless of their rationale, were the source of evil in human history. And, our Founders knew that without seeing Hitler Stalin and Mao. Liberals have seen them and still don't understand it or the basic principle of America (freedom from govt) that made us so great.
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First off, Hitler, Mao, and Stalin did not have remarkably similar approaches to central government other than the fact that they were all totalitarian. Even Stalin and Mao had vastly different approaches to government.

Liberals tend to be for more personal freedom but less economic freedom. Conservatives tend to be for more economic freedom but less personal freedom. If you go to politicalcompass.org, you can see where different historical figures fit ideologically as well as the 2016 candidates.

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Those of course are compared to political parties and leaders around the world. Which is why we rank pretty far the right because we are more conservative than most parties and that would include Democrats. I mean for crying out loud, if Democrats are commies then what are Canadians, all Western Europeans, the Japanese and Australians? All of those have governments that are well to the left of ours.
 
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James972 said:
what on earth???? Conservatives are very very limited govt while fascists are for very powerful govt. Sorry to rock your world.


Here are some quotes to jump start your education:

"You want to know what Fascism is? It is like your New Deal."
-- Mussolini, during a visit to New York City


-W.E.B DuBois: (the most important black liberal leader in the first half of the 20th Century) "Joseph Stalin was a great man; few other men of the 20th Century approach his stature. The formation of the Nazi dictatorship was absolutely necessary to get the state in order." In 1937 he proclaimed: "there is today more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past."

-Guy Tugwell: (FDR Brain Trust) said of fascism: "It's the cleanest, neatest piece...of social machinery I've ever seen."
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you're not capable of rocking my boat or educating me...and stop pretending all conservatives are about "very very limited government"..... reality shows us otherwise... the current State of our government ( very large and intrusive) shows us otherwise.
 
ashurbanipal said:
Caucus goers tend to be hard-core into politics.
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I think the point is that we ought to be concerned about the socialist anti-Americanism of Democrats. When 38% admit to being socialist real Americans have a real problem.
 
BrewerBob said:
Where mixing socialism and capitalism works? Or otherwise known as a "mixed economy"? The United States and most of Western nations. None of them are pure capitalist or pure socialist.
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no no please give us your best example of how adding a little socialism to capitalism can help rather than hurt. Thanks
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
First off, Hitler, Mao, and Stalin did not have remarkably similar approaches to central government other than the fact that they were all totalitarian. Even Stalin and Mao had vastly different approaches to government.

Liberals tend to be for more personal freedom but less economic freedom. Conservatives tend to be for more economic freedom but less personal freedom. If you go to politicalcompass.org, you can see where different historical figures fit ideologically as well as the 2016 candidates.

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Those of course are compared to political parties and leaders around the world. Which is why we rank pretty far the right because we are more conservative than most parties and that would include Democrats. I mean for crying out loud, if Democrats are commies then what are Canadians, all Western Europeans, the Japanese and Australians? Of those have governments that are well to the left of ours.
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umm, why, in your first pic, does it say " Libertarianism" way over there on the right under neo-liberalism?..... neo-liberalism and libertarianism are not synonymous.
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Democrats aren't commies... they are Socialists .. or at least, they display the basic Socialist tendencies ( such as a dislike for capitalism , private property, economic freedom ,and individualism.)


as an aside, i've taken those test probably 50 times....I always end up smack dab in he middle ( left/right), but 4 or 5 blocks straight down in Libertarian country.
 
ashurbanipal said:
So, as it turns out, this quote is misattributed. No one knows who said it. See:
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I don't think it matters who said but rather whether it makes sense. Bernie Sanders is on the far left with liberals, communists, socialists, and Democrats all of whom have worked together over decades so that anti-American socialism is now main stream in America.
 
Kobie said:
You have a very strange standard of "proof."
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You mean Bush didn't preside over the first $2 and $3 trillion budgets, that Obama didn't take it to $4 trillion, and that Sanders of all people, wants to take it to $6 trillion and stop there!.

In truth a liberal socialist will never say how big is big. Socialism fails and true believer socialists then want more socialism to correct the previous failures of socialism.
 
BrewerBob said:
Socialism can work. Capitalism can work. But they work best when mixed together.
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Socialism fails, while capitalism works.

The idea you should mix a failed system with a successful system makes no sense.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
First off, Hitler, Mao, and Stalin did not have remarkably similar approaches to central government other than the fact that they were all totalitarian. .
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actually, all being totalitarian made them exactly identical. Now you understand the basic principle of America. Our Founders did not care about the rationale of liberal totalitarians because they were all the same in the end, they were the source of evil
throughout human history.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Liberals tend to be for more personal freedom but less economic freedom.
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of course that's absurd. Economic freedom is well defined as capitalism, and capitalism comes with lots of rules and govt enforcement. Personal freedom is not defined at all so you are comparing apples and oranges without knowing it. Everyone on earth wants personal freedom so it means nothing whatsoever but it too comes with lots of rules and govt enforcement. Try killing someone to be free of your worst enemy and you will see that you are not free after that.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
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To say that Sanders is not authoratarian is absurd. He stands for nothing but violent government spending. He wants to spend money that he gets at the point of a gun unless I missed his proposal that the rich pay voluntarily and democratically for his huge and crippling new welfare entitlement programs?
 
James972 said:
To say that Sanders is not authoratarian is absurd. He stands for nothing but violent government spending. He wants to spend money that he gets at the point of a gun unless I missed his proposal that the rich pay voluntarily and democratically for his huge and crippling new welfare entitlement programs?
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What country on earth has voluntary taxes?
 
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