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Is it time for a Democratic "civil war"

Crovax said:
I could have sworn that I typed major issues. Taxes/regulations, gun control, the size/scope of govt, immigration, abortion, gay marriage, campaign finance, election integrity, ect
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The ones I listed aren't major issues?

And no, as far as size/scope of government, the Republicans are not "diametrically opposed" to the Democrats. The idea that the GOP actually favors "smaller government" is utterly laughable. Sure, they yammer about it when a Democrat is president, but when's the last time the Republicans actually reduced the size or scope of government?
 
Kobie said:
The intent is "liberal," sure. How we got there was decidedly not. I don't know where the "hate all corporations" thing comes from.
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Im not sure how you can say protecting corporations that are helping the poor and unfortunate is not part of a liberal philosophy unless you hate corporations
 
Mycroft said:
Well, you have your own perceptions and opinions, but there are over 300 bills on Harry's desk that dispute your sense of awareness.
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Yeah, I'm sure those 300 bills "return government to its proper role," which is apparently dictating what women do with their uteri.
 
Donc said:
the bolded part is what i am interested in.Care to show me where the Democratic Party was more dishonest than the Republican party?:2wave:
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I don't think I've ever heard a sitting President saying...and being echoed by just about every other politician of his Party...something like, "If you like your doctor, you can KEEP your doctor."
 
Crovax said:
Im not sure how you can say protecting corporations that are helping the poor and unfortunate is not part of a liberal philosophy unless you hate corporations
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I'm not following you here.

Obamacare doesn't "protect corporations that are helping the poor and unfortunate," it is simply corporate welfare. The insurance companies are not "helping the poor and unfortunate" out of the goodness of their hearts.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't think I've ever heard a sitting President saying...and being echoed by just about every other politician of his Party...something like, "If you like your doctor, you can KEEP your doctor."
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I have heard a sitting president lie us into a war. But hey, who's counting.
 
Kobie said:
The ones I listed aren't major issues?

And no, as far as size/scope of government, the Republicans are not "diametrically opposed" to the Democrats. The idea that the GOP actually favors "smaller government" is utterly laughable. Sure, they yammer about it when a Democrat is president, but when's the last time the Republicans actually reduced the size or scope of government?
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Its kinda hard to fight wars while cutting taxes but the last administration gave it the ole college try Kobie.Sadly that didn't work out to well.:(
 
Kobie said:
The ones I listed aren't major issues?
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Not in the voters minds.

And no, as far as size/scope of government, the Republicans are not "diametrically opposed" to the Democrats. The idea that the GOP actually favors "smaller government" is utterly laughable. Sure, they yammer about it when a Democrat is president, but when's the last time the Republicans actually reduced the size or scope of government?
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When was the last time the GOP had 60 senators to break a filibuster? Kinda hard to do anything the the other side is fundamentally opposed to without a super majority
 
Kobie said:
Yeah, I'm sure those 300 bills "return government to its proper role," which is apparently dictating what women do with their uteri.
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All you have is a strawman?? I'm not surprised.

 
Kobie said:
I have heard a sitting president lie us into a war. But hey, who's counting.
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I haven't heard ANY President lie us into a war.
 
Kobie said:
I'm not following you here.

Obamacare doesn't "protect corporations that are helping the poor and unfortunate," it is simply corporate welfare. The insurance companies are not "helping the poor and unfortunate" out of the goodness of their hearts.
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No they are being forced to by Obamacare but you think the liberal thing is for them to go bankrupt by govt force? No wonder the word liberal has become so toxic
 
Mycroft said:
I don't think I've ever heard a sitting President saying...and being echoed by just about every other politician of his Party...something like, "If you like your doctor, you can KEEP your doctor."
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And this post answers my inquiry of how"The Democrats have elevated dishonesty to an institutional level"beyond that of Republicans...How?:2wave:
 
Kobie said:
I have heard a sitting president lie us into a war. But hey, who's counting.
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So acting on bad intel that all the dems also thought was correct as well was a lie?
 
Kobie said:
Yeah, I'm sure those 300 bills "return government to its proper role," which is apparently dictating what women do with their uteri.
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Besides Repeal, I'm anxious to see what the GOP intends to "replace" ACA with.
I'm aware that #3 House GOP Scalise has some good ideas for fixes but none have made it to the House floor.

If we're going to get something done the next two years, Obama's gonna have to back off of another promise, executive action on immigration reform.
The President has grown impatient of good retail politics;
He needs to get out and sell his case to the American people on immigration reform and other issues.

Though Obama's task is daunting considering the World's problems, this is what he signed up for.
But he lost respect from me yesterday for dissing the one guy who has always stood by him--Biden .
 
TeleKat said:
Or replace the Democrats with the Greens and the Republicans with the Libertarians. I'd be fine with that too.
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You could never have libertarian-left on one side and libertarian-right on other side without the one consuming the other. Not like it would matter since it would simply end in exactly the same situation we are in now.
 
Donc said:
And this post answers my inquiry of how"The Democrats have elevated dishonesty to an institutional level"beyond that of Republicans...How?:2wave:
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That's not the question that you asked. That's why it's not the question I answered.

Do you need help remembering what you asked? Here.

Donc said:
the bolded part is what i am interested in.Care to show me where the Democratic Party was more dishonest than the Republican party?:2wave:
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My response did show you what you wanted to see.
 
Henrin said:
You could never have libertarian-left on one side and libertarian-right on other side without the one consuming the other. Not like it would matter since it would simply end in exactly the same situation we are in now.
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I would like to see Biden throw his hat into the ring.We need another Clinton like we need another Bush.:2wave:
 
Donc said:
Its kinda hard to fight wars while cutting taxes but the last administration gave it the ole college try Kobie.Sadly that didn't work out to well.:(
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When I'm cynical, it is hard to forget the GOP getting religion on deficits, government spending, illegal immigration, unemployment
and the rest beginning Feb. 2009.

Not to mention the original Koch conferences and the FOX version of the TEA party were born then also .
 
Mycroft said:
That's not the question that you asked. That's why it's not the question I answered.

Do you need help remembering what you asked? Here.



My response did show you what you wanted to see.
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SOooo..this taken outta context talking point("If you like your doctor, you can KEEP your doctor.")is your proof that" Democrats have elevated dishonesty to an institutional level"more than Republicans?Any more gems you would like to share with us?:lamo
 
Crovax said:
No they are being forced to by Obamacare but you think the liberal thing is for them to go bankrupt by govt force? No wonder the word liberal has become so toxic
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When the hell did I say anything of the sort?
 
NIMBY said:
When I'm cynical, it is hard to forget the GOP getting religion on deficits, government spending, illegal immigration, unemployment
and the rest beginning Feb. 2009.

Not to mention the original Koch conferences and the FOX version of the TEA party were born then also .
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Why get" religion on deficits, government spending, illegal immigration, unemployment" when they have Benghazi to worry about?:roll:
 
Kobie said:
It would be nice if the Democratic Party would find its soul again. For too long the party has tried to run as Republican lite.
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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The truth is that the democrat party is in the poor shape it is in because it sold it's soul to Barack "Hussein" Obama. They followed him off a cliff.
 
Kobie said:
It would be nice if the Democratic Party would find its soul again. For too long the party has tried to run as Republican lite.
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That's some funny **** right there.
 
Mycroft said:
You know...NIMBY, in his OP, bemoaned the current state of the Democratic Party. I feel his pain. But I have to say that the first step in getting people to really trust and support you is to be honest with the people. The Democrats have elevated dishonesty to an institutional level.
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The one political philosophy not making the rounds on DP but beginning to sweep flyover country is "Populism".
It cuts across all leans and cuts through both major parties.

I'll point to my favorite GOP, now retiring Sen. Coburn who I would call a conservative populist, more con than TR.
It's just too bad that he has cancer, though I don't know how bad it has progressed.

He retired early to pursue a real-life Constitutional Convention--with three goals in mind.
Balanced budget was one of them--I feel like Rick Perry not remembering the other two.

I still favor his 2011 Back-in-Black plan.
The grand bargain lost by Boehner and Obama in 2011, no matter who you blame, is why we're stalemated now .
 
Kobie said:
The Democrats didn't run as liberals, and most haven't for some time. They ran as Republican lite, fleeing from their legislative accomplishments.



When in doubt, apdst turns to hyperpartisan insults. Typical.
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Actually the democrats ran on race baiting and war on women taunts.
 
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