Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama. [W:1017, 2344]

Re: Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama.

Ockham said:

Yes credit goes to Obama for making the 1% even richer, and depressing and oppressing the poor even further! Well done!

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just wait; tRump will fix that for you with ANOTHER Great Depression ............ hope you're happy when it shows up @ your door step ............

Cvir said:

By real, I mean people who are really unemployed whether they have no job or they have no job because they stopped looking. The U3 does not reflect both of these unemployed groups, but they are all still unemployed. That's why I think it is more reflective of the unemployment situation in the country. My opinion.

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"By real, I mean people who are really unemployed..." Really? Using a word in its own definition? My second grader knows not to do that. Try again. Oh and something to think on....your pseudo definition doesn't distinguish between reasons for no longer looking, and doesn't include people who lose their jobs and never start looking.

Cvir said:

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So, I'm sure you're crediting Trump with the DOW at record levels now, right? Of course not, you hypocrite!

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Cvir, you're simply just another conservative who thinks democrats are the equal but opposite of conservatives. No, you guys ignore the facts to cling to narratives. You guys obediently flip flop on issues when instructed to do so. You guys cant accept reality. Here's one of several posts where I do give Trump credit for the recent rise in the market

Vern said:

I give him credit. The market loves deficit spending and deficit financed tax cuts. They loved Reagans and Bush's deficit spending and they really loved Bush's mortgage bubble . Yea, wall street doesn't check under their bed at night for the deficit boogieman like conservatives. But shouldn't you also give President Obama credit for ending the Great Bush Recession, preventing the Bush Depression and saving the auto industry. Its always a plus to start with an economy that isn't collapsing.

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I've posted variations of that the last few months. The people you should be calling hypocrites are yourself and conservatives. They've ignored and flailed at the market the last 8 years and now they notice. And if you want to really stick it the hypocrites, here's a good thread about republicans flip flopping on debt and deficits.

Vern said:

Sure, there was indisputable proof that republicans and the conservative media was lying to them about deficits. But like a love struck girl, conservatives continually denied the facts. they always had their debt hero Paul Ryan there to keep the fantasy going. here's what he had to say Tuesday

“One of the things that we’re focusing on is getting people back to work, is economic growth,” Ryan told reporters Tuesday. “You can’t ever balance the budget if you don’t get this economy growing.”

GOP concerns about deficits, debt disappear in Trump era | The Seattle Times

mmmm, what was wrong with that focus when 600,000 people were losing their jobs each month at the peak of the Great Bush Recession? oh yea, the President was a democrat. Just more proof republicans put their political agenda ahead of the American people.

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mike2810 said:

The Dow is over 20,000. Thank you President Trump. :lamo

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mike2810 said:

actually. I don't give any President credit for the stock market. It is my belief others are in play.

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Well unlike you I give credit where credit is due regardless of party. Wall street is very excited about Trump's spending and tax cut proposals. But the thing is, if President Obama didn't end the Great Bush Recession and save the auto industry, Trump wouldn't have inherited the "mess" he claims the economy is.

Vern said:

Holy cow. the greatest bull market in history continues on. I have to admit, even I’m a bit shocked. I knew President Obama’s economic policies were good but I didn’t know they were this good. I guess I could give republicans some credit because their constant lies about President Obama and the economy probably made him more determined.

Remember the laughable republican predictions of “hyperinflation, dollar collapse, market to zero, dogs and cats living together” if we didn’t cut spending immediately after (and only after) 1/20/2009? Who but a few delusional cons could argue that if we listened to republicans, we would officially be a third world country. Again, thank President Obama.

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Check your calendar Obama is GONE ! :lol:

Vern said:

Well unlike you I give credit where credit is due regardless of party. Wall street is very excited about Trump's spending and tax cut proposals. But the thing is, if President Obama didn't end the Great Bush Recession and save the auto industry, Trump wouldn't have inherited the "mess" he claims the economy is.

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You didn't notice the sarcasm in my post , did you?
Way back in this thread I made a statement that I don't believe the President has that much control over what the stock market does. Was merely poking fun at the OP.

So, are you one that believes President Obama saved us all?

mike2810 said:

You didn't notice the sarcasm in my post , did you?
Way back in this thread I made a statement that I don't believe the President has that much control over what the stock market does. Was merely poking fun at the OP.

So, are you one that believes President Obama saved us all?

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Mike, if President Obama didn't end the Great Bush Recession and save the auto industry, where do you think the market would be at right now if the Great Bush Recession dragged on for several more years?

Vern said:

Mike, if President Obama didn't end the Great Bush Recession and save the auto industry, where do you think the market would be at right now if the Great Bush Recession dragged on for several more years?

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Won't play the "what if game" . I could ask you what if someone else was the President other than Obama, would the stock market go up or down? Would the recession as you called it continue or end?

Like Trump spouting some things he wants to do. Still has to get Congress to pass the laws, etc. So just on saying something the stock market is on a role for now. Want to bet it drops back to 18,000 to 19,000 range within the next 12 months?

pinqy said:

"By real, I mean people who are really unemployed..." Really? Using a word in its own definition? My second grader knows not to do that. Try again. Oh and something to think on....your pseudo definition doesn't distinguish between reasons for no longer looking, and doesn't include people who lose their jobs and never start looking.

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I'm glad you've had this discussion with your second grader.

Cvir said:

I'm glad you've had this discussion with your second grader.

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I'm going to have to wait a long time for you to give any definition that makes sense, aren't I?

mike2810 said:

Won't play the "what if game" . I could ask you what if someone else was the President other than Obama, would the stock market go up or down? Would the recession as you called it continue or end?

Like Trump spouting some things he wants to do. Still has to get Congress to pass the laws, etc. So just on saying something the stock market is on a role for now. Want to bet it drops back to 18,000 to 19,000 range within the next 12 months?

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When you dont ignore facts to cling to a narrative, "what ifs" are not so hard. If McCain was elected there would have been a stimulus and you would have heard very little if anything from republicans about debt. When the stimulus ended there also would have been a jobs bill. Chances are the McCain stimulus would not have been as successful because it probably been mostly tax cuts (and probably permanent) with no income cap. McCain also would have bailed out auto industry and it wouldn't have dishonestly called an "illegal bailout" and "union payoff" but probably no CfC. So there is no doubt that the stock market would have recovered. It just wouldn't have been as much or as soon. History proves it.

History Shows Stocks, GDP Outperform Under Democrats | Fox Business

These studies of the economy usually say "excluding Hoover". Some day they'll say "excluding Hoover and Bush". Anyhoo, speaking of a crash (or correction), you'll notice that democrats are not cheering for a crash. Read this thread. You and yours were continually rooting against America. What does that say about conservatism?

Cvir said:

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So, I'm sure you're crediting Trump with the DOW at record levels now, right? Of course not, you hypocrite!

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Hey C, I found another one. It was in this thread even.

Vern said:

Yes, the Great Obama Bull Market continues on. While I'm sure Trumps deficit fueled tax cuts and spending plans help the market, don't forget the Q3 GDP numbers.

The United States economy in the third quarter grew at the fastest pace in two years, according to a revised report that showed stronger consumer spending than first estimated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/b...omy-grew-at-3-2-rate-in-3rd-quarter.html?_r=0

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I hope you realize this is a debate forum and not a pre-teen conservative chat room and want to discuss your incorrect yet obedient assumption.

Dow crosses 21,000. It took 34 days to go from 20,000 to 21,000.

PerfectStorm said:

Dow crosses 21,000. It took 34 days to go from 20,000 to 21,000.

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Seems the Dow likes the Donald...

Re: Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama.

Conservative said:

What part of Obama signing the 2009 budget don't you understand?

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the part where you told me there is no such thing as half year budgets.

Conservative said:

There is no such thing as a half year budget, there are continuing resolutions,

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If you're simply going to deflect from every post you reply to, shouldn't you deflect without embarrassing yourself?

PerfectStorm said:

Dow crosses 21,000. It took 34 days to go from 20,000 to 21,000.

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Which part of this DOW graph represents the "trump bump"? No cheating, now.