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Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama. [W:1017, 2344]

Re: Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama.

After the democrats took the house in the 2006 elections and started implementing their bills, for the 511 days from 10/12/07 to 3/6/09, the annual growth of the DOW was -41.664% APR.
 
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Good market day today, and gold is tanking, severely, down 2.25%. I love hearing the hyperactive paid radio shows by the gold hawkers...they sell fear, but lately, they have been losing their shorts, and they are all the more hilarious now.

I gotta set up my corporate 401(k), I've been putting $ into my rollover, but I finally have an employer that can afford to make matching contributions.

Well, if there is any indication the republicans will take the senate this year, more some of your funds from bonds to stocks. If there is indication the democrats will retake the senate, bail out of stocks.
 
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Reducing the massive deficits he inherited prudently while maintaining positive GDP. The stimulus, auto bailout, cash for clunkers, and health care reform come to mind. and we cant underestimate the effects of not letting the US default on its debt. geez, how did cons sit there obediently when their party was twice threatening to destroy the economy? oh yea, they’re cons.

Oh, I thought that you had an intelligent discussion in mind and not mindless pontificating, hate-spreading and general obnoxiousness. My apologies for wasting your time with my question.
 
Re: Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama.

Oh, I thought that you had an intelligent discussion in mind and not mindless pontificating, hate-spreading and general obnoxiousness. My apologies for wasting your time with my question.

you cons really make me chuckle. You asked what policies and I told you. and what did you post in reply? of course you posted "mindless pontificating, hate-spreading and general obnoxiousness. " You should google the word "hypocrite" and I accept your apology.
 
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How can you say that with a strait face? Your love for Obama is showing...

first off, very easily. name the president who had a 9000 point stock market rally.
Second, my love for my 401k is showing.

it is lower than the historic curve would have it. it would be normal at closer to 20,000.
I tell you what you invest in that market, I'll keep my money in the real market.

The growth rate for 3/6/09 to 7/14/14 is 19.308% APR (Obama 1,956)
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ahh, you went "metric shopping" and decided to use "growth rate". well at least you didnt have to make up a metric as cons are wont to do. anyhoo, if we use march 2009 then President Obama's bull market is 10500. Which is even more impressive. And when you throw in the ranting of the right that predicted the exact opposite, it incredibly gets even more impressive.

Hey lord, how about if I make up the metric " greatest bull market based on growth rate vs republican expectation" then it would definitely be the greatest.... oh wait, republicans made the same silly wrong predictions about Clinton's bull market too. I'll just to stick nominal values for now.
 
Re: Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama.

After the democrats took the house in the 2006 elections and started implementing their bills, for the 511 days from 10/12/07 to 3/6/09, the annual growth of the DOW was -41.664% APR.

Oh lord, I feel sorry for you when post such sillyness to maintain your agenda. How sad it must be for you purposely try to torture the facts rather just admit the truth. Anyhoo, what bills did the dems "implement" that in any way caused the fallout from the Bush Mortgage Bubble that popped before the Dems took over in 2007? What bills did Bush courageously try to "implement" that the mean ole dems wouldnt "implement". When did bills get "implemented" anyway?

The Subprime Mortgage Market Collapse: A Primer on the Causes and Possible Solutions

The collapse of the subprime mortgage market in late 2006 set in motion a chain reaction of economic and financial adversity that has spread to global financial markets, created depression-like conditions in the housing market, and pushed the U.S. economy to the brink of recession.
 
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I corrected my statement:

Well, if there is any indication the republicans will take the senate this year, [move] more some of your funds from bonds to stocks. If there is indication the democrats will retake the [house] senate, bail out of stocks.
 
Re: Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama.

first off, very easily. name the president who had a 9000 point stock market rally.
Second, my love for my 401k is showing.
I think you need a refresher math course.

Percentages are more important than additions.

I'll bet the liberal talking heads are pushing addition over multiplication...

I tell you what you invest in that market, I'll keep my money in the real market.
I probably have far more in my 401k than you.

Look at it however you want. I disagree with the way you portrayed it and showed a nearly equal period of time with better growth, and a period of time more than double with almost as good of growth.

Your statement in the OP is therefore a misconception or lie.

I have an extremely healthy amount in the markets. I put most of mine in bonds soon after democrats took the congress, then was bottom fishing when to put them back into stocks. I put most of my holdings back into stocks in after the 3/6/09 bottom of 6,626.94. I was expecting it to hit 6,000. When I realized we struck bottom, I was almost a week late at converting to stocks.

Damn... that was a real healthy increase in my retirement savings!
 
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Oh lord, I feel sorry for you when post such sillyness to maintain your agenda. How sad it must be for you purposely try to torture the facts rather just admit the truth. Anyhoo, what bills did the dems "implement" that in any way caused the fallout from the Bush Mortgage Bubble that popped before the Dems took over in 2007? What bills did Bush courageously try to "implement" that the mean ole dems wouldnt "implement". When did bills get "implemented" anyway?

The Subprime Mortgage Market Collapse: A Primer on the Causes and Possible Solutions

The collapse of the subprime mortgage market in late 2006 set in motion a chain reaction of economic and financial adversity that has spread to global financial markets, created depression-like conditions in the housing market, and pushed the U.S. economy to the brink of recession.
Yep.

And if we didn't bail it out, only the people who spent their money and got over their heads in trying to flip houses would have lost.
 
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*sigh*

Another one dimensional celebratory thread from the OPs author.

He see's a number and instantly equates it to a Obama victory without the lest bit of effort to offer up a comprehensive explanation of whats REALLY happening.

QEs driving up Stock prices and pushing people out of fixed yields and into the equities markets and its left us with a Market thats more disconnected from our economy than ever before.

Massive amounts of money moving around benefiting the super rich and deiving up prices when per capita income levels in this Country still have not recovered to their pre-2007 levels.

Equating this market to our supposed economic recovery is foolish hackery so you have to ask yourself whats driving it ?

Corporate profits are being celebrated and attributed to the Market Climb when in fact much of these profits can attributed to their massive buy back of their own shares.

Those planning on cushy retirements need to do a bit of objective research and not count their chikens before they hatch.

LOL!

Yeah, but let the bottom fall out of the stock market and see who is the FIRST to BLAME Obama.

You guys! Just can't bring yourself around to admitting that things are pretty good and getting even better since Obama took the wheel.

That's okay. We understand.
 
Re: Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama.

what happened to the days when the stock market was the only metric that ever mattered to cons?
When was that?
 
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LOL!

Yeah, but let the bottom fall out of the stock market and see who is the FIRST to BLAME Obama.

You guys! Just can't bring yourself around to admitting that things are pretty good and getting even better since Obama took the wheel.

That's okay. We understand.


So, liquidity traps, artificially inflated asset prices and a market completely disconnected from the economy is a "success " ?

You guys are cheering artificially inflated asset prices that benefit the super rich more than anyone else.

You're cheering a Bubble thats equated to higher real estate and commodities prices when American consumers haven't recovered from 2007 in terms of per capita income levels yet.

And when it corrects, of-course it will be blamed on the President. He was elected twice and should be held accountable.

The purpose of QE was to make cheaper credit available to Consumers, and that would lead to increased economic growth and that would be measured in Job numbers.

Once unemployment hit the Feds cut off target, QE would be stopped and the economy would then be on its own.

Problem our economy after 6 years still sucks.

So when the Fed stops QE there will be no " recovery " to fall back on because QE was a last ditch and foolish attempt to fix our economy.

So when that happens who are you going to blame ? Bush ?
 
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LOL !

What " Success " ?

Says the guy who seems to have forgotten that when Obama took the oath of office we were losing over a half million jobs per month, whereas we've now had 52 consecutive months of private-sector job growth - a record.
 
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Well, consider this. The growth rate vs. who controlled the house, where bills originate at...

And nothing gets made into law unless the president signs it or his veto gets overridden...which is why, just like the captain of a ship, the commander-in-chief is the one who gets all the blame for what goes wrong...and all the credit for what goes right.
 
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And nothing gets made into law unless the president signs it or his veto gets overridden...which is why, just like the captain of a ship, the commander-in-chief is the one who gets all the blame for what goes wrong...and all the credit for what goes right.

And look at what happens if the president vetoes a bill for just one or two special interest line items he doesn't approve of.
 
Re: Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama.

Yep.

And if we didn't bail it out, only the people who spent their money and got over their heads in trying to flip houses would have lost.

Oh lord, certainly somebody who timed the market perfectly as you claim could post something resembling a coherent sentence. you seem to be trying to obfuscate the fact that the bush Mortgage bubble popped in late 2006 before dems took over in 2007. hey what bills did the dems "implement"?
 
Re: Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama.

Says the guy who seems to have forgotten that when Obama took the oath of office we were losing over a half million jobs per month, whereas we've now had 52 consecutive months of private-sector job growth - a record.


Lol !!

Imagine, a Lib purposely offering up generic data minus any context to make his President look good.

Thats a bit dishonest don't you think ?

Why would you stray from posting a more comprehensive account of whats actually been going on over the last 6 years ?
 
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Holy cow. the greatest bull market in history continues on. I have to admit, even I’m a bit shocked. I knew President Obama’s economic policies were good but I didn’t know they were this good. I guess I could give republicans some credit because their constant lies about President Obama and the economy probably made him more determined.

Remember the laughable republican predictions of “hyperinflation, dollar collapse, market to zero, dogs and cats living together” if we didn’t cut spending immediately after (and only after) 1/20/2009? Who but a few delusional cons could argue that if we listened to republicans, we would officially be a third world country. Again, thank President Obama.

I love posts by people that don't know the difference between the stock market and the economy. Oh, and by the way Wall Street raises were higher in 2013 than ever before but didn't Obama run on a platform of bringing down the fat cats on Wall Street?
 
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Lol !!

Imagine, a Lib purposely offering up generic data minus any context to make his President look good.

Thats a bit dishonest don't you think ?

Why would you stray from posting a more comprehensive account of whats actually been going on over the last 6 years ?

Minus the context of Obama having to deal with the most obstructive Congress since the Civil War? You're quite right - I should have included that! Because twenty, thirty years from now, history will remember that, and will be very kind indeed to Barack H. Obama.
 
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Minus the context of Obama having to deal with the most obstructive Congress since the Civil War? You're quite right - I should have included that! Because twenty, thirty years from now, history will remember that, and will be very kind indeed to Barack H. Obama.

like it was jimmy carter?
 
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I love posts by people that don't know the difference between the stock market and the economy. Oh, and by the way Wall Street raises were higher in 2013 than ever before but didn't Obama run on a platform of bringing down the fat cats on Wall Street?

I love posts by people who cant read what I post. As part of the 50% of Americans invested in the stock market, I am happy that not only did President Obama save my 401k from the destruction of the Bush market, it has florished beyond my wildest expectations. And of course it is florishing beyond republican expectations because they predicted the opposite.

Lets dig deeper into your misunderstanding of simple things. Lets pretend, Obama did run on a platform of "bringing down the fat cats on wall street", please explain what that has to do with the greatest bull market ever?
 
Re: Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama.

Holy cow. the greatest bull market in history continues on. I have to admit, even I’m a bit shocked. I knew President Obama’s economic policies were good but I didn’t know they were this good. I guess I could give republicans some credit because their constant lies about President Obama and the economy probably made him more determined.

Remember the laughable republican predictions of “hyperinflation, dollar collapse, market to zero, dogs and cats living together” if we didn’t cut spending immediately after (and only after) 1/20/2009? Who but a few delusional cons could argue that if we listened to republicans, we would officially be a third world country. Again, thank President Obama.

I could not help but smile when I read July 8,2014 opinion piece in the SF Gate.

The best worst president ever

I sipped my rosé, took a deep breath, enjoyed the magnificent landscape as one final, predominant thought swam into view: how? How can there be such a radical disconnect between Mr. Newport’s engorged portfolio, his fantastic insurance plan, low mortgage rate and grotesque corporate privilege – most of it born of the past six years – and Obama’s overall policy successes? Does he consider it all just a fluke? Dumb luck? Is he drunk on Limbaugh and Fox News, unable to see actual facts?

Look here, Newport: Since Obama took office, corporate profits are way up. So is business investment, job growth (moderately), retail sales, manufacturing (well, barely). Want to buy another house? Interest rates are fantastic. The housing crisis has largely subsided, and home foreclosures are way down. Also, people are buying lots of new cars, and there’s a fully recovered auto industry ready to meet all demand.

Did he know federal discretionary spending is well below average? Or that the poverty rate has stabilized? And the stock market is, as mentioned, breaking records, benefitting rich white dudes more than ever?


Of course, it’s all pretty shaky. Flawed and imbalanced and could give out at any second – but that’s just the nature of the excruciatingly complex, unstable world economy these days. And while corporations are raking it in, workers are seeing less and less of their fair share. There are still myriad problems, and Obama’s policies are far from perfect. No party’s ever are. Regardless, given the impossible economic hell-pit Obama was left with, it’s unlikely any president could have possibly done better.

Read more:

The best worst president ever - Notes & Errata by Mark Morford
 
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Re: Dow over 17,000. thank you again President Obama.

Holy cow. the greatest bull market in history continues on. I have to admit, even I’m a bit shocked. I knew President Obama’s economic policies were good but I didn’t know they were this good. I guess I could give republicans some credit because their constant lies about President Obama and the economy probably made him more determined.

Remember the laughable republican predictions of “hyperinflation, dollar collapse, market to zero, dogs and cats living together” if we didn’t cut spending immediately after (and only after) 1/20/2009? Who but a few delusional cons could argue that if we listened to republicans, we would officially be a third world country. Again, thank President Obama.

Yay...rich people got richer and dollars were made off of imaginary risk and credit without producing anything or employing more people. Huzzah!

Did you thank Obama for the trillion or so in backdoor bailout money to the banks too? Just more stupidity, people cheering numbers without understanding what those numbers mean.
 
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Yay...rich people got richer and dollars were made off of imaginary risk and credit without producing anything or employing more people. Huzzah!

Did you thank Obama for the trillion or so in backdoor bailout money to the banks too? Just more stupidity, people cheering numbers without understanding what those numbers mean.

Well 50 % of America invests in the market so 50% of America got richer. It would have been closer to 65 % but it seems the Great Bush Recession scared off some investors. I don’t think of it as getting richer so much as I think of it as my retirement not only being saved but happening sooner and with less financial concerns (Obamacare helps that too but that’s another story)

And I always find it odd when people claim I dont understand something but dont really explain what I dont understand. this is a debate forum so feel free to elaborate.
 
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