Buttigieg busts out to first place in Iowa

Moot said:

Suggesting that Blacks and Hispanics wouldn't vote for a gay guy is bigotry.

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No, it's based on the evidence:

Homophobia in ethnic minority communities - Wikipedia

aociswundumho said:

No, it's based on the evidence:

Homophobia in ethnic minority communities - Wikipedia

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From your post, Evangelicals are the most homophobic ethnic minority.

aociswundumho said:

No, it's based on the evidence:

Homophobia in ethnic minority communities - Wikipedia

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Nothing stays the same. Times change and so do opinions on same sex marriage...

Chomsky said:

Are you speaking of Michelle, if she were receptive? Now that would be some ticket!

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what exactly qualifies Michelle to be president? (Yeah she is native born and over 35)

Moot said:

Nothing stays the same. Times change and so do opinions on same sex marriage...

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Except the issue isn't same sex marriage, it's electing the president of the united states. Bigotry comes in different levels and letting two gay people marry is way, way below electing a gay man to the most powerful political position in the world.

aociswundumho said:

Except the issue isn't same sex marriage, it's electing the president of the united states. Bigotry comes in different levels and letting two gay people marry is way, way below electing a gay man to the most powerful political position in the world.

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It was you that said Blacks and Hispanics wouldn't vote for a homosexual, remember? Well, Buttigeig just happens to be a married homosexual and the polls show that opinions on same sex marriage has evolved in the Black and Hispanic community's to the point where Buttigieg's same sex marriage shouldn't be a problem should he win the nomination.

MovingPictures said:

If we see Pete poll well in NH and Nevada

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Slavister said:

Nevada - slowly moving up - only up to 8% now... but hey, something is happening in NH... He is now in 2nd place along with Warren and Sanders, only 5% behind Biden, and importantly, the only one with momentum, i.e. numbers moving higher among front runners

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Update... Looks like Pete is ahead in NH now even more than in Iowa... Whoop!

Ok, maybe not the "best" survey but (a) it's the latest one at least and (b) in same earlier survey it matched closely an A+ survey from same period...

aociswundumho said:

Except the issue isn't same sex marriage, it's electing the president of the united states. Bigotry comes in different levels and letting two gay people marry is way, way below electing a gay man to the most powerful political position in the world.

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We got Dubya. We countered with a mulatto with an Arabian name. We got Trump. Time to counter.

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Buttigieg has lost a lot of ground in NH apparently in latest poll



But... is now in 2nd place Nationally

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I personally doubt mayor Pete's ability to win Iowa, the Democratic nomination or the presidency. In Iowa he has done very well so far by focusing his efforts on the state, and garnering the whiter, more rural support, however I don't think he will be able to beat Bernie Sander's ground efforts as Bernie has a large amount of energized supports. Furthermore Pete's 'honeymoon' of gaining support and getting lots of positive media attention is ending as rival candidates see him as a threat, Iowa is also a caucus which favors Bernie. I could see Pete coming a solid second, but if he wants to be the nominee he must come first, and I don't see that happening. The main reason I find him unlikely to win the nomination or the presidency is because his minority support is abysmal. I quite like some aspects of his campaign myself, as I am a centrist, but if a centrist is going to win the Democratic nomination it's going to be Biden, despite his rubbish debate performances and awful gaffes.

ElliotDavis said:

I personally doubt mayor Pete's ability to win Iowa, the Democratic nomination or the presidency. In Iowa he has done very well so far by focusing his efforts on the state, and garnering the whiter, more rural support, however I don't think he will be able to beat Bernie Sander's ground efforts as Bernie has a large amount of energized supports. Furthermore Pete's 'honeymoon' of gaining support and getting lots of positive media attention is ending as rival candidates see him as a threat, Iowa is also a caucus which favors Bernie. I could see Pete coming a solid second, but if he wants to be the nominee he must come first, and I don't see that happening. The main reason I find him unlikely to win the nomination or the presidency is because his minority support is abysmal. I quite like some aspects of his campaign myself, as I am a centrist, but if a centrist is going to win the Democratic nomination it's going to be Biden, despite his rubbish debate performances and awful gaffes.

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If Bernie becomes the nominee, Dems will be blown out.

It looks like do or die for Mayor Pete tonight. He has slipped a bit in Iowa and is well off the pace in New Hampshire. If he cannot get some traction from this debate, he looks to be the first of the big four to fold.

That said, he has done well for a small city mayor. Down the road, Senator or Governor are not out of the question.

Trump (liar, adulterer, doesn't pay his bills, pays off a porn worker, uses federal bankruptcy protection, had to be bailed out by daddy multiple times, tweets like a 16 year old girl who was just dumped, has middle school nicknames for other adults and tries to take personal property via eminent domain in multiple countries) won the presidency with almost more votes and a lot of people are worried about Pete being gay.

That's totally messed up.

Our grand kids have a whole lot of mess to clean up after our generation, the Animal House generation, is dead and gone.

Jay59 said:

It looks like do or die for Mayor Pete tonight. He has slipped a bit in Iowa and is well off the pace in New Hampshire. If he cannot get some traction from this debate, he looks to be the first of the big four to fold.

That said, he has done well for a small city mayor. Down the road, Senator or Governor are not out of the question.

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Bookmaker top American Offshore sports book-

DEMOCRATIC IOWA CAUCUS WINNER

1) Bernie Sanders +107
2) Joe Biden+186
3) Pete Buttigieg+448
4) Elizabeth Warren+816
5) Amy Klobuchar+1814
6) Andrew Yang+2973
All others at over +3000 or 30 to 1

It's between Bernie & Biden. If Bernie can beat Biden in Iowa & NH he has a good chance
otherwise it's a Biden runaway!

slick said:

It's between Bernie & Biden. If Bernie can beat Biden in Iowa & NH he has a good chance
otherwise it's a Biden runaway!

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I hope it's Bernie. He'll do just as well in the general as other progressives, like McGovern and Dukakis.

justabubba said:

Buttigieg busts out to first place in Iowa - POLITICO



i am pleasantly surprised that mayor pete is leading in such a conservative, evangelical state. i had no idea a gay man would lead the pack in a state such as iowa

it would seem pete's political approach is more significant to the primary voters than his sexual orientation

kudos to iowa... or at least to 25% of its democratic voters

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Any Democrat who doesn't vote for the gay mayor of the city with massive unemployment and crime is a homophobe. That is his campaign.

joko104 said:

Any Democrat who doesn't vote for the gay mayor of the city with massive unemployment and crime is a homophobe. That is his campaign.

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i hear you. like anyone who does not vote for an orange laughingstock with close russian ties is a communist

Well this is disturbing if true:

Shadow Inc: The Mysterious Clinton-Linked Company Counting Iowa's Caucus Votes | The National Interest

Buttigieg’s campaign paid Shadow $42,250 on July 23, 2019, for software rights.

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The Buttigieg campaign sent $42,000+ dollars in July of 2019 to the Shadow company charged with designing the app used to count and tabulate the data in the Iowa and Nevada caucuses/primaries. What the hell is going on down there?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

by the difficulty the iowa demo party is experiencing with the tabulations you would think this was the iowa calculus

Iowa Caucus Results Riddled With Errors and Inconsistencies - The New York Times

... “The caucus math work sheet is the official report on caucus night to the I.D.P., and the I.D.P. reports the results as delivered by the precinct chair,” she said. “This form must be signed by the caucus chair, the caucus secretary and representatives from each campaign in the room who attest to its accuracy. Under the rules of the delegate selection process, delegates are awarded based off the record of results as provided by each precinct caucus chair.”

... First, caucusgoers express their preference for a candidate upon arrival, and these votes are recorded in a “first alignment.” Then, candidates with limited support at a precinct, usually less than 15 percent, are deemed not viable; their supporters get a chance to realign to support a viable candidate. The preference at this point is recorded as well, and it’s called the final alignment. ...

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excellent video of mayor pete's victory speech in iowa (link provided by Chomsky):

Evilroddy said:

Well this is disturbing if true:

Shadow Inc: The Mysterious Clinton-Linked Company Counting Iowa's Caucus Votes | The National Interest



The Buttigieg campaign sent $42,000+ dollars in July of 2019 to the Shadow company charged with designing the app used to count and tabulate the data in the Iowa and Nevada caucuses/primaries. What the hell is going on down there?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

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Pssst Ahna Rao, former special assistant to the chief technology officer on Clinton’s campaign, and Krista Davis, a software engineer on Clinton’s campaign lost their jobs when the campaign ended so these two nefarious characters started their own for profit tech services start-up company last year as an offshoot of a nonprofit left of center ACRONYM which developed digital advertising and organizational support to left leaning campaigns and invests in companies like this. Here's another name for this group of clandestine tech savvy anti-Sanders operatives. Write down the name Tara McGowan CEO of ACRONYM, who was previously a digital producer for Barack Obama's 2012 campaign. Now these lowlife corporatists scum patented a phone app that was supposed to reduce the amount of manual labor needed to transcribe data received via telephone They sold the software rights of their app to the Iowa Democratic party to help documenting and counting the data from various precincts. We found this out from the campaign finance reports the IDP sent. They sold the software rights to Nevada Democratic party too from their campaign finance reports.

The Buttigieg campaign were C U S T O M E R S and they purchased the same service app to crunch internal data for their campaign and we learn that from, you guessed it the Buttigieg campaign finance reports. .

The damn app has clichés and problems that caused delays .


There is your conspiracy. A start-up company full of left wing techies no longer working on campaigns, sold an app they patented to several customers desperate to reduce manual labor staff hours.

Undoubtedly in 2 more months you will find Biden, and Mississippi Democratic Party sent them a checks for 100's of thousands too.


Just be glad that Sanders did not buy the app too.