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Kamala Harris's family were plantation and slave owners.

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So…does she need to pay reparations and stuff for the money her family gained from being plantation and slave owners?

And excerpt from the book written by her father, "Reflections of a Jamaican Father".

http://archive.is/pxPhS#selection-2747.0-2744.2

My roots go back, within my lifetime, to my paternal grandmother Miss Chrishy (née Christiana Brown, descendant of Hamilton Brown who is on record as plantation and slave owner and founder of Brown’s Town) and to my maternal grandmother Miss Iris (née Iris Finegan, farmer and educator, from Aenon Town and Inverness, ancestry unknown to me). The Harris name comes from my paternal grandfather Joseph Alexander Harris, land-owner and agricultural ‘produce’ exporter (mostly pimento or all-spice), who died in 1939 one year after I was born and is buried in the church yard of the magnificent Anglican Church which Hamilton Brown built in Brown’s Town (and where, as a child, I learned the catechism, was baptized and confirmed, and served as an acolyte).
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Fishking said:
So…does she need to pay reparations and stuff for the money her family gained from being plantation and slave owners?

And excerpt from the book written by her father, "Reflections of a Jamaican Father".

http://archive.is/pxPhS#selection-2747.0-2744.2
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The elder Harris sent an unsolicited statement to Kingston-based Jamaica Global Online, where the emeritus professor of economics at Stanford wrote a recent essay on his family’s history.

“My dear departed grandmothers (whose extraordinary legacy I described in a recent essay on this website), as well as my deceased parents, must be turning in their grave right now to see their family’s name, reputation and proud Jamaican identity being connected, in any way, jokingly or not with the fraudulent stereotype of a pot-smoking joy seeker and in the pursuit of identity politics,” he wrote.

Added Donald Harris: “Speaking for myself and my immediate Jamaican family, we wish to categorically dissociate ourselves from this travesty.”
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Kamala Harris shamed by Jamaican father over pot-smoking joke - POLITICO

Kamala's feud with her father kind of reminds me of Meghan Markle. We don't need this nutbar in the White House.
 
Fishking said:
So…does she need to pay reparations and stuff for the money her family gained from being plantation and slave owners?

And excerpt from the book written by her father, "Reflections of a Jamaican Father".

http://archive.is/pxPhS#selection-2747.0-2744.2
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Interesting question. I believe Harris, and those proposing reparations, want the American taxpayers to fit the bill for slavery reparations. Well, most of America's tax revenues are derived from one demographic- white males. Yet other demographics owned slaves, and benefitted from slavery to a greater extent than white American males of the 16th century to mid 19th, such as the Jewish community, for example.

Famous Seinfeld creator Larry David discovered that even his lineage contained slave owners. David has been a high profile liberal for decades. He's made no special attempt at atonement for his slave holding ancestors, AFAIK.
 
Fishking said:
So…does she need to pay reparations and stuff for the money her family gained from being plantation and slave owners?

And excerpt from the book written by her father, "Reflections of a Jamaican Father".

http://archive.is/pxPhS#selection-2747.0-2744.2
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Bucky said:
Kamala Harris shamed by Jamaican father over pot-smoking joke - POLITICO

Kamala's feud with her father kind of reminds me of Meghan Markle. We don't need this nutbar in the White House.
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Seems to be exactly the kind of person the left elects.
 
I think those who are in favor of reparations want the government, not individuals, to pay reparations. Which of course ultimately would be paid by tax payers, of which she is one.
 
truthatallcost said:
Interesting question. I believe Harris, and those proposing reparations, want the American taxpayers to fit the bill for slavery reparations. Well, most of America's tax revenues are derived from one demographic- white males. Yet other demographics owned slaves, and benefitted from slavery to a greater extent than white American males of the 16th century to mid 19th, such as the Jewish community, for example.

Famous Seinfeld creator Larry David discovered that even his lineage contained slave owners. David has been a high profile liberal for decades. He's made no special attempt at atonement for his slave holding ancestors, AFAIK.
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My family owned slaves. Disgusting and makes me ashamed. As for David, he did, when he was on Finding Your Roots.
 
Parrish said:
My family owned slaves. Disgusting and makes me ashamed. As for David, he did, when he was on Finding Your Roots.
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Hello Parrish. I too learned of Larry David's slave owning ancestor from Finding Your Roots. Compared to their share of the population of the antebellum south, Jews owned slaves at the highest rate of any demographic, plus fought for the confederacy. Odd that very few know about this.

My family tree contains no slave owners, with my folks being just lowly Irishmen and women who didn't own other human beings.
 
Parrish said:
My family owned slaves. Disgusting and makes me ashamed. As for David, he did, when he was on Finding Your Roots.
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There is no need to apologize for something like that. You don't need to feel guilty for something that happened before your parents were even born. Slavery was the way of life back then. We cannot apply standards applied today towards the past.

Your family was good people. Do not disgrace their legacy
 
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Skeptic Bob said:
I think those who are in favor of reparations want the government, not individuals, to pay reparations. Which of course ultimately would be paid by tax payers, of which she is one.
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Its blatantly unfair to require Americans with no slave owning ancestors, to pay for what her ancestors and others did.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I think those who are in favor of reparations want the government, not individuals, to pay reparations. Which of course ultimately would be paid by tax payers, of which she is one.
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So everyone has to pay for the actions of 1.4% of the population that owned slavery when it was at it's height? That doesn't make sense.
 
Fishking said:
So everyone has to pay for the actions of 1.4% of the population that owned slavery when it was at it's height? That doesn't make sense.
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I agree. But it also doesn’t make sense that the tax payer is on the hook to pay off lawsuits when a cop is found to have committed excessive force. It also doesn’t make sense that we pay off people who have been sexually assaulted or harassed by members of Congress. The tax payer always ends up footing the bill for the misdeeds of our government.
 
truthatallcost said:
Its blatantly unfair to require Americans with no slave owning ancestors, to pay for what her ancestors and others did.
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It is blatantly unfair to make any US citizen/Government pay for slavery regardless of slave owning ancestors.

If you want to apply history, than those Africans who sold their fellow Africans into slavery are far more responsible than those who took advantage of the legal system of slavery at the time, let alone the Country who set them free.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I agree. But it also doesn’t make sense that the tax payer is on the hook to pay off lawsuits when a cop is found to have committed excessive force. It also doesn’t make sense that we pay off people who have been sexually assaulted or harassed by members of Congress. The tax payer always ends up footing the bill for the misdeeds of our government.
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The examples for police officers and such are due to them acting in an official capacity for the government. In this case, we're talking about the actions of private citizens or private holdings.
 
Excon said:
It is blatantly unfair to make any US citizen/Government pay for slavery regardless of slave owning ancestors.

If you want to apply history, than those Africans who sold their fellow Africans into slavery are far more responsible than those who took advantage of the legal system of slavery at the time, let alone the Country who set them free.
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We should also see demands for restitution for Europeans from North Africa for the 1.5 million Europeans that were taking in the Barbary Slave Trade. Also Arabs have to pay off basically everyone everywhere.
 
Bucky said:
Kamala Harris shamed by Jamaican father over pot-smoking joke - POLITICO

Kamala's feud with her father kind of reminds me of Meghan Markle. We don't need this nutbar in the White House.
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"“My dear departed grandmothers (whose extraordinary legacy I described in a recent essay on this website), as well as my deceased parents, must be turning in their grave right now to see their family’s name, reputation and proud Jamaican identity being connected, in any way, jokingly or not with the fraudulent stereotype of a pot-smoking joy seeker and in the pursuit of identity politics,” he wrote.
Added Donald Harris: “Speaking for myself and my immediate Jamaican family, we wish to categorically dissociate ourselves from this travesty.”


Dang it! That is harsh ... makes me think that the disconnect goes back much further than the recent Jamaican pot-smoking comment.

Maybe her father didn't agree with the way she climbed the political ladder ... :lol:
 
Fishking said:
We should also see demands for restitution for Europeans from North Africa for the 1.5 million Europeans that were taking in the Barbary Slave Trade. Also Arabs have to pay off basically everyone everywhere.
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I understand your point. Africans have been complicit in slavery before those in the US became involved and bear far more responsibility for it.
But as far as I am concerned, it was legal and no one should be held responsible for participating in what was legal.
 
Most of our founding fathers were slave owners.

Her family history has no bearing on her qualifications president...
 
Excon said:
I understand your point. Africans have been complicit in slavery before those in the US became involved and bear far more responsibility for it.
But as far as I am concerned, it was legal and no one should be held responsible for participating in what was legal.
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Not only that but living people paying for the actions of people who have been dead for generations is silly. The only chance to pay restitution was lost when there was no payouts by the slave owners at the time that it was stopped.
 
All this silliness.......

I dont care WHAT your oh so enlightened position is today. Odds are that if you had lived 200-300 years ago you or someone in your family might very well be slave owners. Its was an established societal norm. And then the nation grew, and progressed, and changed, as did most of the rest of the world...except of course in parts (but not all) of Africa where slavery was practiced then and is still practiced today.
 
GDViking said:
Most of our founding fathers were slave owners.

Her family history has no bearing on her qualifications president...
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New standards now, bub. The modern left has taught us this.
 
Fishking said:
Not only that but living people paying for the actions of people who have been dead for generations is silly. The only chance to pay restitution was lost when there was no payouts by the slave owners at the time that it was stopped.
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At that point in time it was the slave owners being deprived of their property by a government who did not reimburse them. They have far more of a claim than those who were slaves and received freedom.
 
VanceMack said:
All this silliness.......

I dont care WHAT your oh so enlightened position is today. Odds are that if you had lived 200-300 years ago you or someone in your family might very well be slave owners. Its was an established societal norm. And then the nation grew, and progressed, and changed, as did most of the rest of the world...except of course in parts (but not all) of Africa where slavery was practiced then and is still practiced today.
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Not really. Only 1.4% of Americans owned slaves at it's height. Chances are, most of all of us wouldn't own a single slave back then either. So far as where it's still practiced today, it's not just Africa but the Middle East and parts of Asia. Really, no other countries comes close to the levels of equality and egalitarianism, in the entire world, as western nations. Yet somehow western nations are the most demonized.
 
GDViking said:
Most of our founding fathers were slave owners.
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Irrelevant. It was a legal and normal at the time.

Let me add something more that is also irrelevant.

Every African who sold another African into slavery was a slave holder too. Go figure huh?
 
Fishking said:
Not really. Only 1.4% of Americans owned slaves at it's height. Chances are, most of all of us wouldn't own a single slave back then either. So far as where it's still practiced today, it's not just Africa but the Middle East and parts of Asia. Really, no other countries comes close to the levels of equality and egalitarianism, in the entire world, as western nations. Yet somehow western nations are the most demonized.
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Point is...IF YOUR FAMILY OWNED SLAVES YOU WOULD HAVE TOO. None of the people wringing their hands today over history are or would have been immune to history. We are blessed to be able to learn and to grow from our understanding of history and the evolution of society. Sadly. Far too many idiots are committed to hysteria and projecting the learned lessons from the past onto those from the past. It doesnt work that way.
 
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