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It looks like pot could tip the balance in favor of the Dem in Fla. Didn't see this one coming.

“Any politician who thinks they can alienate over two-thirds of the voting public and win, is kidding themselves,” Stephani Scruggs Bowen told me. She’s the wife of Michael Bowen, who uses medical marijuana to treat his epilepsy and was one of the plaintiffs who sued to overturn the legislature’s ban on smokable marijuana..."

"That’s a calculation that is playing out in a handful of tight Senate races this year, where an issue that has 68 percent support nationally offers a way for cautious moderates in red states...to shore up support from the liberal wing of their party."



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/11/legal-marijuana-senate-midterms-2018-218964
 
Yep, the damn broke on that in the last couple years. If Colorado was the leak in the dam, California was when it collapsed completely.

Still, I'd encourage those interested to consider the details of their local law. In California, it was specifically crafted to protect existing medical seller's share of the market at the expense of new businesses, to the point where something like 90% of storefronts in the LA area aren't licensed.

At this point, voters will leap on anything that says legal weed on it, and some state legislatures will take advantage.

California messing it up was inevitable, though.
 
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late said:
It looks like pot could tip the balance in favor of the Dem in Fla. Didn't see this one coming.

“Any politician who thinks they can alienate over two-thirds of the voting public and win, is kidding themselves,” Stephani Scruggs Bowen told me. She’s the wife of Michael Bowen, who uses medical marijuana to treat his epilepsy and was one of the plaintiffs who sued to overturn the legislature’s ban on smokable marijuana..."

"That’s a calculation that is playing out in a handful of tight Senate races this year, where an issue that has 68 percent support nationally offers a way for cautious moderates in red states...to shore up support from the liberal wing of their party."



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/11/legal-marijuana-senate-midterms-2018-218964
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Red states need to get on the ball here, and it's happening, Oklahoma recently legalized medical marijuana and trend to legalize both medical and recreational is moving forward. This genie is not going back in the bottle and GOPers need to embrace it instead of fighting a losing war.
 
late said:
It looks like pot could tip the balance in favor of the Dem in Fla. Didn't see this one coming.

“Any politician who thinks they can alienate over two-thirds of the voting public and win, is kidding themselves,” Stephani Scruggs Bowen told me. She’s the wife of Michael Bowen, who uses medical marijuana to treat his epilepsy and was one of the plaintiffs who sued to overturn the legislature’s ban on smokable marijuana..."

"That’s a calculation that is playing out in a handful of tight Senate races this year, where an issue that has 68 percent support nationally offers a way for cautious moderates in red states...to shore up support from the liberal wing of their party."



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/11/legal-marijuana-senate-midterms-2018-218964
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More states need to legalize recreational marijuana. If more do, then maybe the Federal government will finally have to make it legal. And if that happens, maybe people would quit moving into Colorado. Damned Texafornians, go home!
 
HowardBThiname said:
Red states need to get on the ball here, and it's happening, Oklahoma recently legalized medical marijuana and trend to legalize both medical and recreational is moving forward. This genie is not going back in the bottle and GOPers need to embrace it instead of fighting a losing war.
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#EmbraceThePeacePipe
 
Ikari said:
More states need to legalize recreational marijuana. If more do, then maybe the Federal government will finally have to make it legal. And if that happens, maybe people would quit moving into Colorado. Damned Texafornians, go home!
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I don't travel much now, but now that you have pot tourism, I am very tempted.
 
late said:
I don't travel much now, but now that you have pot tourism, I am very tempted.
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Maine legalized too. Have they started recreational sales?



They were supposed to start here in MA on 7/1/18 (originally much sooner) but the powers that be drag their knuckles as much as possible.
 
Mr Person said:
Maine legalized too. Have they started recreational sales?



They were supposed to start here in MA on 7/1/18 (originally much sooner) but the powers that be drag their knuckles as much as possible.
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Our guvnah's nickname is The Beast.

He's been slowing the parade down as much as he can.
 
late said:
It looks like pot could tip the balance in favor of the Dem in Fla. Didn't see this one coming.

“Any politician who thinks they can alienate over two-thirds of the voting public and win, is kidding themselves,” Stephani Scruggs Bowen told me. She’s the wife of Michael Bowen, who uses medical marijuana to treat his epilepsy and was one of the plaintiffs who sued to overturn the legislature’s ban on smokable marijuana..."

"That’s a calculation that is playing out in a handful of tight Senate races this year, where an issue that has 68 percent support nationally offers a way for cautious moderates in red states...to shore up support from the liberal wing of their party."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/11/legal-marijuana-senate-midterms-2018-218964
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Well hurrah!
 
WillyPete said:
Yep, the damn broke on that in the last couple years. If Colorado was the leak in the dam, California was when it collapsed completely.

Still, I'd encourage those interested to consider the details of their local law. In California, it was specifically crafted to protect existing medical seller's share of the market at the expense of new businesses, to the point where something like 90% of storefronts in the LA area aren't licensed.

At this point, voters will leap on anything that says legal weed on it, and some state legislatures will take advantage.
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Deaths recorded by kind show that 9 time more occured from smoking compared to drugs.

Why aren't we forbidding the sale of far more dangerous cigars/cigarettes ... ?

DEATH BY CAUSES (from here)

Cause of death (Data from 2015 unless otherwise noted)
Number All Causes - 2,712,630
*Major Cardiovascular Diseases [MCD] - 832,024 (of which)
- Diseases of Heart [subset of MCD] - 633,842
-Cerebrovascular Diseases [subset of MCD] - 140,323
*Malignant Neoplasms [Cancer] - 595,930
*Deaths Attributed to Tobacco Smoking (Each year from 2005 through 2009) - 480,320
*Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 155,041
*Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) [Total] - 146,571
-Motor Vehicle Accidents [subset of Total Accidents] - 37,757
*Alzheimer's Disease - 110,561
*Diabetes Mellitus - 79,535
*Influenza and Pneumonia - 57,062
*Drug-Induced Deaths - 55,403
*Nephritis, Nephrotic Syndrome and Nephrosis - 49,959
*Intentional Self-Harm (Suicide) - 44,193
*Septicemia - 40,773
*Chronic Liver Disease and Cirrhosis - 40,326
-Alcoholic Liver Disease [subset of Chronic Liver Disease] - 21,028
*Injury by Firearms - 36,252
*Alcohol-Induced Deaths - 33,171
*Parkinson's Disease - 27,972
*Pneumonitis Due to Solids and Liquids - 19,803
*Homicide - 17,793
*Viral Hepatitis - 7,461
*Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) Disease - 6,465
*All Illicit Drugs Combined (2000) - 17,000
*Cannabis (Marijuana) - 0
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Lafayette said:
Deaths recorded by kind show that 9 time more occured from smoking compared to drugs.

Why aren't we forbidding the sale of far more dangerous cigars/cigarettes ... ?
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If you believe I'm in favor of prohibition policies (in just about any form) then you've mistaken my position.

Tobacco prohibition would be bad policy for the same reasons alcohol and marijuana prohibition is bad policy. It rewards illegal dealers by increasing prices, encourages violence because dealers have no legal recourse, and is often supported by untrue propaganda, creating distrust for the government. There is also the considerable costs of enforcement.

When comparing marijuana to tobacco, the angle I like best is to point out that we've managed to reduce tobacco use significantly in recent decades through a combination of regulation (age and advertising restrictions,) sin taxes, and awareness campaigns telling the truth about the effects of tobacco. There is no reason to think similar policies wouldn't help reduce marijuana use, as well.

Whatever your goal regarding marijuana, our policy today is ineffective, rewards criminals, and is founded on lies.
 
late said:
It looks like pot could tip the balance in favor of the Dem in Fla. Didn't see this one coming.

“Any politician who thinks they can alienate over two-thirds of the voting public and win, is kidding themselves,” Stephani Scruggs Bowen told me. She’s the wife of Michael Bowen, who uses medical marijuana to treat his epilepsy and was one of the plaintiffs who sued to overturn the legislature’s ban on smokable marijuana..."

"That’s a calculation that is playing out in a handful of tight Senate races this year, where an issue that has 68 percent support nationally offers a way for cautious moderates in red states...to shore up support from the liberal wing of their party."



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/11/legal-marijuana-senate-midterms-2018-218964
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It seems like this is the bast way to save the cigarette industry.
 
late said:
It looks like pot could tip the balance in favor of the Dem in Fla. Didn't see this one coming.

“Any politician who thinks they can alienate over two-thirds of the voting public and win, is kidding themselves,” Stephani Scruggs Bowen told me. She’s the wife of Michael Bowen, who uses medical marijuana to treat his epilepsy and was one of the plaintiffs who sued to overturn the legislature’s ban on smokable marijuana..."

"That’s a calculation that is playing out in a handful of tight Senate races this year, where an issue that has 68 percent support nationally offers a way for cautious moderates in red states...to shore up support from the liberal wing of their party."



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/11/legal-marijuana-senate-midterms-2018-218964
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As long as the pot heads aren’t too stoned to go vote, we should be good.
 
Ikari said:
More states need to legalize recreational marijuana. If more do, then maybe the Federal government will finally have to make it legal. And if that happens, maybe people would quit moving into Colorado. Damned Texafornians, go home!
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Yup, that's it in a nutshell. It isn't that our states are completely isolated, and too many people travel back and forth for business of leisure. They shouldn't have to worry about CCW or a smidgen of pot ( I know, I know, it is just an example).
Get it over already and let people decide whether they want to toke now and then.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Red states need to get on the ball here, and it's happening, Oklahoma recently legalized medical marijuana and trend to legalize both medical and recreational is moving forward. This genie is not going back in the bottle and GOPers need to embrace it instead of fighting a losing war.
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I was a little impressed several years ago when I moved and was examining my LP's from my college years.

There was an album titled "In The Court of the Crimson King". The album opened like a book and so was a perfect surface to conduct the business of a party.

Still has some stems and seeds imbedded or adhered to in the cardboard. Also, the original record was gone and there was instead a Mamas and Papas record inside.

Ah... The good ol' days...
 
late said:
I don't travel much now, but now that you have pot tourism, I am very tempted.
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DP members should meet up in some quiet place in Co, light up and hash out all our issues. We'd walk away as best friends.
 
Ikari said:
More states need to legalize recreational marijuana. If more do, then maybe the Federal government will finally have to make it legal. And if that happens, maybe people would quit moving into Colorado. Damned Texafornians, go home!
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All that needs to happen is to remove it from Schedule 1.

Marijuana and Bath Salts are under the same regulations as Heroine.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
 
Lovebug said:
DP members should meet up in some quiet place in Co, light up and hash out all our issues. We'd walk away as best friends.
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Why would we need to light up?
 
Lovebug said:
DP members should meet up in some quiet place in Co, light up and hash out all our issues. We'd walk away as best friends.
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Hash out out issues? Depends on the hash. :cool:
 
late said:
Hash out out issues? Depends on the hash. :cool:
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Only the good kind. Tried some in Europe, didn't like it. Too strong for this girl.
 
calamity said:
As long as the pot heads aren’t too stoned to go vote, we should be good.
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We're retired, we usually absentee. Which helps, I can use the internet to try and find out about all the little stuff.
 
Lovebug said:
Only the good kind. Tried some in Europe, didn't like it. Too strong for this girl.
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When I was in Europe, in the early 70s, you couldn't find pot. The hash could be super strong, massive couch lock. Esp. in Amsterdam..
 
late said:
When I was in Europe, in the early 70s, you couldn't find pot. The hash could be super strong, massive couch lock. Esp. in Amsterdam..
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I loved Amsterdam and the "menus".
 
I believe the argument would be better served if people stopped with the pretense of promoting medicinal marijuana and just promoted the correct stance of decriminalizing marijuana. Marijuana should be treated the same as alcohol for use, purchase, etc.


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