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Trump isn’t the real problem

No it was because of his socialist democratic policies. Being a liberal.

Bill Clinton was liberal, so why wasn't the country as divided then as it is today?
 
Bill Clinton was liberal, so why wasn't the country as divided then as it is today?

He also divided the country. Its been divided for a while now.
 
How far back does it take to make America great? Back to the days of “no Irish need apply?”

No when we had economic prosperity, people were actually proud, we didn't have butthurt people.
 
Are you sure it wasn't Newt Gingrich and his Contract on America?

Its also the government. Democrats have done the most to divide this country. There were other factors, but still.
 
Bill Clinton was liberal, so why wasn't the country as divided then as it is today?

You might want to look at the hollowing out of the middle class, two horrible recessions,911,social media which helps spread division,the size of the national debt. The list goes on.
 
No when we had economic prosperity, people were actually proud, we didn't have butthurt people.

I can name times we had economic prosperity and times we were proud, but there was no time in America’s history where there was no kind of social and class tension.

Even the 1950s had Americans grumbling about being forced by the expectations of the Cold War.
 
I can name times we had economic prosperity and times we were proud, but there was no time in America’s history where there was no kind of social and class tension.

Even the 1950s had Americans grumbling about being forced by the expectations of the Cold War.

My point is combine the economic prosperity and patriotism and have better class and social relations.
 
this was a surprising start of a story for me
i was stunned by the comparisons made
here is the rest of the story

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/trump-isnt-real-problem/

"Trump isn't the problem. The problem is rural Americans who are all Nazis." That's what this ****piece says.

Nothing says "unity" quite like "everyone outside the city limits is a closet Nazi". I know this may be hard for some of you to believe but what REALLY pisses off the people outside the Blue Bubble is being referred to as "deplorables" and "nazis" and "hillbillies". The reason many of us don't particularly care for many of you is because you're so often elitist assholes.
 
"Trump isn't the problem. The problem is rural Americans who are all Nazis." That's what this ****piece says.

Nothing says "unity" quite like "everyone outside the city limits is a closet Nazi". I know this may be hard for some of you to believe but what REALLY pisses off the people outside the Blue Bubble is being referred to as "deplorables" and "nazis" and "hillbillies". The reason many of us don't particularly care for many of you is because you're so often elitist assholes.

Amen brother.
 
Its also the government. Democrats have done the most to divide this country. There were other factors, but still.

It takes two to tango...so it couldn't just have been democrats. The divide in this country goes back to the revolution....so perhaps a better question might be when has this country ever not been divided?
 
My point is combine the economic prosperity and patriotism and have better class and social relations.

Asking for forced patriotism is hard to swallow when the leaders demanding it show none of their own.

Economic prosperity is good but it is not distributed equally. Only a small class of people seem to recieve the bulk the of the prosperity and leaving only scraps for everyone else. In that type of environment the racial and class conflicts escalate.

What you are craving is a egalitarian fantasy.
 
It takes two to tango...so it couldn't just have been democrats. The divide in this country goes back to the revolution....so perhaps a better question might be when has this country ever not been divided?

We have been united before. Come on now.
 
Asking for forced patriotism is hard to swallow when the leaders demanding it show none of their own.

Economic prosperity is good but it is not distributed equally. Only a small class of people seem to recieve the bulk the of the prosperity and leaving only scraps for everyone else. In that type of environment the racial and class conflicts escalate.

What you are craving is a egalitarian fantasy.

You're craving for a fantasy where racism will disappear and having a system where wealth is distributed equally.
 
I read that part. And no, it isn't. 1930's Germany and present-day America are both two entirely different places. The Nazi party rose to power due to a variety of factors, due to the consequences of World War !, and the Treaty of Versailles screwing Germany over almost entirely. That is not comparable to today. Comparing everything that we dislike to Nazi's is not helpful.

The other part that seems to be missing rampant rabid nationalism, as was the case in Nazi Germany.

Do please note that there's are very distinct and important differences between patriotism, and nationalism.

And, no, Trump isn't the problem, but the problem probably beget the Trump presidency.

The problem (the division), as many previous posts have correctly observed, has been with the US for quite some time now.

Looking forward, it is unlikely that this is going to get any better, when you consider that the Democrat party and the left have gone to the extremest hard left, with the mentality of 'by any means necessary'.

The practice of identity politics, victim hood, forced redistribution and excessive political correctness (given that being polite is probably sufficient) aren't really going to help solve anything, much less this problem of a divided and tribal electorate.

Trumped Up: How Criminalization of Political Differences Endangers Democracy. It does, and it isn't going to help either.
 
The other part that seems to be missing rampant rabid nationalism, as was the case in Nazi Germany.

Do please note that there's are very distinct and important differences between patriotism, and nationalism.

And, no, Trump isn't the problem, but the problem probably beget the Trump presidency.

The problem (the division), as many previous posts have correctly observed, has been with the US for quite some time now.

Looking forward, it is unlikely that this is going to get any better, when you consider that the Democrat party and the left have gone to the extremest hard left, with the mentality of 'by any means necessary'.

The practice of identity politics and victim hood and forced redistribution aren't really going to help solve anything, much less this problem of a divided and tribal electorate.

Trumped Up: How Criminalization of Political Differences Endangers Democracy. It does, and it isn't going to help either.

We want to be patriotic. Not being forced to feel bad for what the country had done in the past.
 
The other part that seems to be missing rampant rabid nationalism, as was the case in Nazi Germany.

Do please note that there's are very distinct and important differences between patriotism, and nationalism.

And, no, Trump isn't the problem, but the problem probably beget the Trump presidency.

The problem (the division), as many previous posts have correctly observed, has been with the US for quite some time now.

Looking forward, it is unlikely that this is going to get any better, when you consider that the Democrat party and the left have gone to the extremest hard left, with the mentality of 'by any means necessary'.

The practice of identity politics, victim hood, forced redistribution and excessive political correctness (given that being polite is probably sufficient) aren't really going to help solve anything, much less this problem of a divided and tribal electorate.

Trumped Up: How Criminalization of Political Differences Endangers Democracy. It does, and it isn't going to help either.

The problem is that we have forgotten how to treat people we disagreed with as legitimate opposition.

The historian Richard Hoftstatder wrote that

"The emergence of legitimate party opposition and of a theory of politics that accepted it was something new in the history of the world; it required a bold new act of understanding on the part of its contemporaries and it still requires study on our part."

https://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520017542
 
We want to be patriotic. Not being forced to feel bad for what the country had done in the past.

Not always being told that the US is crap, bad, terrible.

The US has some instances where it was good, and other instances where it was less than it should have been, but on the whole, better than most.

How's that saying go? "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."
 
During wars, the 1920s?

Even back then there was divide...prohibition, sufferage, unionizing, etc. In fact, there hasn't been a decade gone by that there wasn't riots, turmoil and division in this country.
 
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