What do Democrats and Republicans both like?

haymarket · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
And the popular vote occurs in each state.

What is about this that is escaping your grasp?

The title of the office holder in question is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

The title PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, refers to the name of the nation and its chief executive officer. It does NOT mean the President is elected by states which have no power to vote nor elect anyone. The power to do that resides in individual citizens who make up the Electoral College.

haymarket · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
Again you offer your delusion as proof to support your delusion.

Actually I offer the explanation given by Founding Father Alexander Hamilton to the people of the United States in telling us why we should support the proposed Constitution and deny themselves the power to directly pick their own president.

Insulting me with petty cheap shots does not change that historical reality.

haymarket · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
You seriously fail to comprehend this, don't you.

You argue in favor of the wisdom of the Electoral College and then claim it doesn't exist and do what it does.

Are you seriously not capable of understanding the contradictions you present?

I never claimed the EC doe not exist. That statement from you is pure inane invention on your part and a total lie.

code1211 · Mar 31, 2018

haymarket said:
The title PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, refers to the name of the nation and its chief executive officer. It does NOT mean the President is elected by states which have no power to vote nor elect anyone. The power to do that resides in individual citizens who make up the Electoral College.

Now you're just sounding foolish.

Please review Article 2, Sections 2, 3 and 4.

Then review the 12th Amendment.

Constitution for the United States - We the People

code1211 · Mar 31, 2018

haymarket said:
Actually I offer the explanation given by Founding Father Alexander Hamilton to the people of the United States in telling us why we should support the proposed Constitution and deny themselves the power to directly pick their own president.

Insulting me with petty cheap shots does not change that historical reality.

Applying the words of Hamilton to an example in which it is not germane is what you are doing.

code1211 · Mar 31, 2018

haymarket said:
I never claimed the EC doe not exist. That statement from you is pure inane invention on your part and a total lie.

Oh!

Well, alrighty, then.

Then we are in agreement that the Electoral College DOES exist, that it IS justified and that the Popular Vote for President occurs within each state to elect the electors, not to be tabulated as a national referendum.

Good!

We agree! For the last several posts, I thought you were posting gibberish.

haymarket · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
Now you're just sounding foolish.

Please review Article 2, Sections 2, 3 and 4.

Then review the 12th Amendment.

Constitution for the United States - We the People

Quote the passage that says that States vote for the President.

haymarket · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
Applying the words of Hamilton to an example in which it is not germane is what you are doing.

That makes no sense on any level or in any way. It is both a denial of the explanation Hamilton gave to the country and the real concern raised in 2016 that Trump was elected with the help and assistance of our main foreign adversary.... something which Hamilton warned us about when the Constitution was proposed and told the nation that the EC would protect us from that.

So your statement makes no sense in any way.

haymarket · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
Oh!

Well, alrighty, then.

Then we are in agreement that the Electoral College DOES exist, that it IS justified and that the Popular Vote for President occurs within each state to elect the electors, not to be tabulated as a national referendum.

Good!

We agree! For the last several posts, I thought you were posting gibberish.

The gibberish was only your own fantasies existing in your own mind.

code1211 · Mar 31, 2018

haymarket said:
Quote the passage that says that States vote for the President.

Article 2, Section 3 and the 12th Amendment.

This is very, very basic stuff.

haymarket · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
Article 2, Section 3 and the 12th Amendment.

This is very, very basic stuff.

Quote the passage which says that the States elect the President and not human beings.

code1211 · Mar 31, 2018

haymarket said:
That makes no sense on any level or in any way. It is both a denial of the explanation Hamilton gave to the country and the real concern raised in 2016 that Trump was elected with the help and assistance of our main foreign adversary.... something which Hamilton warned us about when the Constitution was proposed and told the nation that the EC would protect us from that.

So your statement makes no sense in any way.

Again, you present your delusion as proof of your delusion.

haymarket · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
Again, you present your delusion as proof of your delusion.

What is it I am suffering "delusions" about?

code1211 · Mar 31, 2018

haymarket said:
Quote the passage which says that the States elect the President and not human beings.

I just did.

code1211 · Mar 31, 2018

haymarket said:
What is it I am suffering "delusions" about?

Your delusion that a foreign agent was elected as POTUS.

In this case, the guy who just ejected 60 Russian Diplomats and has given the Ukrainians weapons to fight the Russians instead of the food products that Obama apparently wanted them to throw at the invading Russians.

I do admire how you never allow facts to shape your delusions.

Lafayette · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
And the popular vote occurs in each state.

What is about this that is escaping your grasp?

The title of the office holder in question is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

The popular-vote does occur in each state.

But one must be mathematically inept if one does not understand that the electoral college vote did NOT reflect the popular-vote in the most recent national election.

Otherwise, the 2% margin by which Hillary one the popular-vote (across the country) would have been sufficient to elect her PotUS!

Duhhhhhhhhhhhh ....

haymarket · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
I just did.

NO - you simply referred to things in the Constitution and failed to actually provide a quote of anything and an analysis as to how it proves your claims correct.

Try that for a change.

haymarket · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
Your delusion that a foreign agent was elected as POTUS.

Where did I state that?

You keep lying and inventing pure crap that comes from your own mouth.

code1211 · Mar 31, 2018

Lafayette said:
The popular-vote does occur in each state.

But one must be mathematically inept if one does not understand that the electoral college vote did NOT reflect the popular-vote in the most recent national election.

Otherwise, the 2% margin by which Hillary one the popular-vote (across the country) would have been sufficient to elect her PotUS!

Duhhhhhhhhhhhh ....

You end various posts with the same word. I imagine this is the basis of your vocabulary and logical process.

The preference of each state is what the electoral process of our country was designed to represent and what it does represent.

You seem to wish that the election of the President was a national referendum.

To this end, you may want to examine this portion of the constitution:

https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A5.html
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[FONT=&quot]The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
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code1211 · Mar 31, 2018

haymarket said:
NO - you simply referred to things in the Constitution and failed to actually provide a quote of anything and an analysis as to how it proves your claims correct.

Try that for a change.

Your density never fails to impress.

Constitution for the United States - We the People
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[Article XII] (Amendment 12 - Election of President)
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;—The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;—The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.14 —The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States. ratified #12 affects 8
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code1211 · Mar 31, 2018

haymarket said:
Where did I state that?

You keep lying and inventing pure crap that comes from your own mouth.

In post #43, I asked you about the placement into the presidency of a foreign agent and you replkied:

"I would encourage you to catch up on the last 18 months of national news so that you can avoid making such inane claims in the future. There is a large and ongoing investigation at the highest levels right now to determine if indeed Russia did just what you claim never happened. So spare me the trip up the denial river."

If you were not saying what you said, what were you saying?

haymarket · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
Your density never fails to impress.

You must be looking g the the mirror. See what I did there?

Tell you what CODE - you want to insult each other and impugn our mental stability and be a petty little grade schooler - you continue this crap and you will be responded to in kind.

My advice to you would be to cut all the side insults and petty crap that permeates almost every post you make.

I am NOT impressed with you and your status is not raised by you trying to act all pissy.

Do we understand each other?

Perotista · Mar 31, 2018

Lafayette said:
From the Economist, here: What do Democrats and Republicans both like?

Excerpt:

Info-graphic (from same source):

And never the twain shall meet?

We shall see. Americans have differing opinions on a very large scale. But, unlike Europeans, who are only learning the voting trick, Americans have the ability to cross the diagonal divide (seen on the following infographic) with remarkable ease and frequency.

Which is how Donald Dork got elected. It was a bit too easy given the fact that Hillary won the popular-vote, which is the only real democratic criteria for a candidate's election to any political office in the nation.

Except one - the Presidency ...

I'll tell you where both major parties agree whole heartily. That is that no viable third party will ever arise. Republicans and Democrats write or election laws as a mutual protection act. They enjoy their monopoly and intend to keep it.

Zyphlin · Mar 31, 2018

It’s sad that the actual topic and source material of this thread was interesting and it was almost immediately ignored in favor of thr typical pointless obnoxious shrill bitching about the electoral college again.

I find it funny that essentially the crappiness of congress and the good of nurses was pretty much the only things the sides had a similar view on.

Looking forward to giving this a closer look once I'm actually home on my computer

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haymarket · Mar 31, 2018

code1211 said:
In post #43, I asked you about the placement into the presidency of a foreign agent and you replkied:

"I would encourage you to catch up on the last 18 months of national news so that you can avoid making such inane claims in the future. There is a large and ongoing investigation at the highest levels right now to determine if indeed Russia did just what you claim never happened. So spare me the trip up the denial river."

If you were not saying what you said, what were you saying?

Where in that statement did I make a claim of fact that Trump was a Russian agent as you stated here?

Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
Your delusion that a foreign agent was elected as POTUS.

Is this
1 - a reading comprehension problem on your part not understanding what the word IF means?
2- and intentional lie you are telling about what I wrote?
3- you actually believing I wrote something different than what I actually did because you are reading things that I did not write but which you see nonetheless?