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    Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    From Reuters: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

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    In Pennsylvania state Senator Daylin Leach’s bid to win a seat vital to the Democratic Party’s chances in 2018 elections of taking control of the U.S. Congress, his opponents may not be his biggest obstacle.

    Leach is running in one of the country’s most gerrymandered congressional districts, one with such a twisting, winding shape that it has earned the derisive nickname “Goofy Kicking Donald Duck.”

    The 7th congressional district has become a national poster child for critics of gerrymandering, the process by which one party draws district boundaries to ensure an advantage among voters. Democrats say the lines have helped Republicans like U.S. Representative Patrick Meehan, the four-term incumbent Leach seeks to unseat, to stay in office.

    The litigation is part of a growing set of legal challenges to partisan redistricting, including a U.S. Supreme Court case out of Wisconsin that could for the first time establish a constitutional standard to measure the legality of such map-making. The high court is scheduled to decide that case by June 2018, five months before the midterm elections.

    “The politicians are not supposed to pick their voters; the voters are supposed to elect their leaders,” said Mimi McKenzie, an attorney with the Public Interest Law Center who represents the League of Women Voters and other Pennsylvania voters.

    Spokesmen for the state’s Republican legislative leaders, defendants in the case, said the redistricting followed the process laid out in the state constitution and that the U.S. Supreme Court has said political considerations can play a role.
    Both the Electoral College and more importantly Gerrymandering are the two greatest travesties of voting-justice in America. It is time we, the sheeple, should be rid of both.

    Only the popular-vote, undiminished by political manipulation (of the Electoral College and Gerrymandering), can make of America a Real Democracy ....
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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

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    Both the Electoral College and more importantly Gerrymandering are the two greatest travesties of voting-justice in America. It is time we, the sheeple, should be rid of both.

    Only the popular-vote, undiminished by political manipulation (of the Electoral College and Gerrymandering), can make of America a Real Democracy ....
    Gerrymandering can be a problem. The Electoral College is the saving grace of our presidential election process and will always serve us well.

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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

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    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    The Electoral College is the saving grace of our presidential election process and will always serve us well.
    The Electoral College is not the least bit reflective of the popular-vote and in any Real Democracy the popular-vote is the only valid election-measure.

    Moreover, the Electoral College has resulted in at least 5 instances where the loser of the democratic popular-vote was, in fact, the winner in the Electoral College. Twice recently, Al Gore lost to Dubya, and Hillary to Donald Dork.

    Which has resulted in presidencies that are considered "less than satisfactory", and why they should be done away with.

    It's simple - such elections have no real electoral legitimacy because our EC in far too many states has no direct proportionality to the popular vote. Which results in a map of the US, if measured according to proportionality of the Electoral College, that would look like this:


    The distortion of the Electoral College vote should be evident.

    Had elections been by popular-vote with two rounds to finalize an initial multiple-candidate vote*, none of the five historical-errors would have happened.

    And finally, the US finds itself (with its electoral college) amongst this august list-of-nations: Burundi, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Madagascar, Myanmar, Pakistan, Trinidad, Tobago and Vanuatu.

    Wow ... !

    *First-round of all candidates who propose to run, and Second-round (in a weeks time) with the top two winners of the first round.
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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    I think it is definitely time to look at gerrymandering. With today's technology it has become a far more powerful weapon than it ever has been.

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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    From Reuters: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

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    Both the Electoral College and more importantly Gerrymandering are the two greatest travesties of voting-justice in America. It is time we, the sheeple, should be rid of both.

    Only the popular-vote, undiminished by political manipulation (of the Electoral College and Gerrymandering), can make of America a Real Democracy ....
    I'll agree with popular vote when strict voter ID laws are enforced.

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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by MrPeanut View Post
    I think it is definitely time to look at gerrymandering. With today's technology it has become a far more powerful weapon than it ever has been.
    To be honest, I never realized what gerrymandering was all about until this forum. Why don't they just use county lines? I have to research a bit more.

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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
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    The Electoral College is not the least bit reflective of the popular-vote and in any Real Democracy the popular-vote is the only valid election-measure.

    Moreover, the Electoral College has resulted in at least 5 instances where the loser of the democratic popular-vote was, in fact, the winner in the Electoral College. Twice recently, Al Gore lost to Dubya, and Hillary to Donald Dork.

    Which has resulted in presidencies that are considered "less than satisfactory", and why they should be done away with.

    It's simple - such elections have no real electoral legitimacy because our EC in far too many states has no direct proportionality to the popular vote. Which results in a map of the US, if measured according to proportionality of the Electoral College, that would look like this:


    The distortion of the Electoral College vote should be evident.

    Had elections been by popular-vote with two rounds to finalize an initial multiple-candidate vote*, none of the five historical-errors would have happened.

    And finally, the US finds itself (with its electoral college) amongst this august list-of-nations: Burundi, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Madagascar, Myanmar, Pakistan, Trinidad, Tobago and Vanuatu.

    Wow ... !

    *First-round of all candidates who propose to run, and Second-round (in a weeks time) with the top two winners of the first round.
    According to who? You? And one of the Presidency is not over yet.

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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    LEGITIMACY



    The Electoral College is not the least bit reflective of the popular-vote and in any Real Democracy the popular-vote is the only valid election-measure.

    Moreover, the Electoral College has resulted in at least 5 instances where the loser of the democratic popular-vote was, in fact, the winner in the Electoral College. Twice recently, Al Gore lost to Dubya, and Hillary to Donald Dork.

    Which has resulted in presidencies that are considered "less than satisfactory", and why they should be done away with.

    It's simple - such elections have no real electoral legitimacy because our EC in far too many states has no direct proportionality to the popular vote. Which results in a map of the US, if measured according to proportionality of the Electoral College, that would look like this:


    The distortion of the Electoral College vote should be evident.

    Had elections been by popular-vote with two rounds to finalize an initial multiple-candidate vote*, none of the five historical-errors would have happened.

    And finally, the US finds itself (with its electoral college) amongst this august list-of-nations: Burundi, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Madagascar, Myanmar, Pakistan, Trinidad, Tobago and Vanuatu.

    Wow ... !

    *First-round of all candidates who propose to run, and Second-round (in a weeks time) with the top two winners of the first round.
    I like how your map distorts the sizes of the blue states to make them appear bigger, giving an inaccurate illusion.

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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    The Electoral College is not the least bit reflective of the popular-vote and in any Real Democracy the popular-vote is the only valid election-measure.
    That's quite by design. The last thing the founders wanted to do was create a Real Democracy.

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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by MrPeanut View Post
    I think it is definitely time to look at gerrymandering. With today's technology it has become a far more powerful weapon than it ever has been.

    Huh.. I never knew it was around for as long as it has been.

    The word gerrymander (originally written Gerry-mander) was used for the first time in the Boston Gazette on 26 March 1812. The word was created in reaction to a redrawing of Massachusetts state senate election districts under Governor Elbridge Gerry (pronounced /ˈɡɛri/; 1744–1814). In 1812, Governor Gerry signed a bill that redistricted Massachusetts to benefit his Democratic-Republican Party. When mapped, one of the contorted districts in the Boston area was said to resemble the shape of a mythological salamander.[4]


    How would people go about changing this? Could it just be done by county? School districts?

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