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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    Of course they do. Fight fire with fire.

    That does not make fire acceptable ...
    It also presumes they didn't start it or were active in it at the beginning. I know better than to presume that. I see no reason to put the Democrats on higher moral ground.

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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by shagg View Post
    The party that happens to be in control at the right time can redistrict as they see fit, shamelessly undermining broad swathes of the population and misrepresenting them.
    I suspect that any type of districting is going to be construed as misrepresentation.

    Since the election isn't determined by popular vote but by the Electoral College, invoking the popular vote is worthless. It's like saying team X that won the Super Bowl really lost because team Y got more yardage in the game.

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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by worksforpigs View Post
    I suspect that any type of districting is going to be construed as misrepresentation.

    Since the election isn't determined by popular vote but by the Electoral College, invoking the popular vote is worthless. It's like saying team X that won the Super Bowl really lost because team Y got more yardage in the game.
    what does the electoral college have to do with congressional races?
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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    Bollocks, piffle and drivel. We live on two intellectually different planets.

    So be it ...
    True, you don't seem to comprehend the intent of those who gave us the EC.

    Public school?
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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    True, you don't seem to comprehend the intent of those who gave us the EC.

    Public school?

    Easy, skippy, public school used to be an above average education.....
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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    Easy, skippy, public school used to be an above average education.....
    Not for a few decades...are you insinuating you were schooled in a one-room schoolhouse?
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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Not for a few decades...are you insinuating you were schooled in a one-room schoolhouse?
    Decades? When I was in 3rd, 4th and 5th grade, there were two years in one room! CD cardboard water containers in the basement, pledge of allegiance, cursive (upper and lower case) on display above the blackboard and I was routinely assigned the task of cleaning the erasers after the school day.................decades? at least five or six....
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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    Of course they do. Fight fire with fire.

    That does not make fire acceptable ...
    That completely depends on the rules and how the are enforced. Donít you think?

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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That completely depends on the rules and how the are enforced. Don’t you think?
    I've been arguing in this thread how the rules have been bent since the signing of the Constitution, in which the south sought a method for lower population states to manipulate the selection of the PotUS. (Later codified far more strictly in the 12th Amendment.)

    It's amazing how people think that some other means of deciding the president other than the popular-vote is acceptable. The Electoral College is sham and we should have known that every time - five times in American history - that the EC-vote defied the Popular-vote (which should have prevailed).

    And this forum shows vividly enough how some Americans cannot get that fundamental-truth into their noggin.

    The Electoral College is dysfunctional and a travesty of presidential Electoral Justice*. It's time to dump-it rather than genuflect at the illogic that "it's in the original constitution". What is wrong is wrong and must done away with - particularly in an election to the highest office in the land**.

    Period ...

    *If it is so acceptable, why not employ it as well to elect America's state Executives? (That is, governors.)
    **And never has that truth been more evident since the election of Donald Dork.
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    Re: Democrats eye gains in Pennsylvania trial on 'goofy' gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by worksforpigs View Post
    It also presumes they didn't start it or were active in it at the beginning. I know better than to presume that. I see no reason to put the Democrats on higher moral ground.
    I see a great benefit to Human Justice that the electoral playing field of the presidential election should be leveled for all who participate.

    You don't seem to understand that the Electoral College vote-manipulation makes a sham of any democracy that employs it.

    Such ignorance of the truth is baffling, to say the least.

    You need to catch-up on comprehension of basic Civics terminology. You believe the BS handed to voters since time immemorial in high-school that the US democracy is "the Greatest Nation on Earth".

    Which given the facts made obvious yet again - for the second time in 20 years - regarding a presidential election, show that notion to be a patent lie.

    Only the Popular-vote can determine a head-of-state in a truly democratic election ...
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