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    Re: 2017 Political Earthquake, 2018 Political Tsunami?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    DON!! Jesus have I missed you.

    I wish my mind was giving me something more coherent and deserving in response to this analysis, but all I'm getting is that I very much agree we are not at the height of the storm yet. 2016 was a stage. 2017 was foreplay. 2018... frankly, I'm scared.

    I really hope the Republicans can pull it together and come to their senses. Whether anyone here believes me or not, I don't want to see American conservatism die. Especially not at the hands of something as despicable as white nationalism, or as purposeless as a simple total lack of political coherency.
    I really liked his well written essay to. Your response here is worthy.
    It would help if conservatives could define their ideology, for that lack, you vote for a guy with no ideology.
    It's been wandering between what was conservative under Reagan to anti-trade with a 'reject all experts' attitude. That means you're rejecting conservative experts too.
    It's tough because there is a major philosophical divide between the libertarian and the conservatives. There are serious differences there, but just ignoring them by saying that's just experts arguing , just do something!, I don't get it.

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    Re: 2017 Political Earthquake, 2018 Political Tsunami?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I doubt it. The economy is doing well - and almost everybody concedes that started under Obama and continued under Obama so Trump can be President during a good economy but the credit will not be given to him.
    Perception my friend. When a voter, let's call them independents looks at the economy especially almost two years into a new president's term, they're not about to get into the nitty gritty of who and when. If the economy is in the pits or booming, whoever is president will get the credit.

    Keep in mind, most voters, especially independents aren't political junkies like us on this site. They don't get involved in the intricate details. Most look at their wallet, feel if it is thick or thin and vote accordingly. Perception, how one perceives the current circumstances will win the day.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As the anger with Trump only grows each month and we can expect it to get much more intense going into 2018, next years elections are shaping up to be a true wave election. Trump and the GOP should be very very afraid.
    I don’t think this is the big overturn y’all are hoping for, but go ahead and celibate, y’all have lost so many lately.


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    Re: 2017 Political Earthquake, 2018 Political Tsunami?

    LOL.....I can't wait for the next election this cycle I was able to get registered 15 voters who had not voted in a decade or more. Dems your vote counts but getting more people is the answer. line them up and if we can get a 80% voter turn out the Republicans will be the DODO birds of politics.

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    Re: 2017 Political Earthquake, 2018 Political Tsunami?

    A fascinating insight from fivethirtyeight.com's David Wasserman:

    One final note: It’s hard not to conclude the August events in Charlottesville had a galvanizing effect on Democrats in that area. Across the state, raw votes cast were up 16 percent over 2013. But in the city of Charlottesville, raw votes cast were up 31 percent. Northam took 84 percent of the vote there.

    What Went Down On Election Night 2017 | FiveThirtyEight

    Apparently, Charlottesville's voters rejected Trump's notion that there were "some very fine people" among the white nationalists who descended on Charlottesville, triggered violence, and one of whom carried out a domestic act of terrorism with an automobile that claimed the life of one person.

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    Re: 2017 Political Earthquake, 2018 Political Tsunami?

    Quote Originally Posted by CletusWilbury View Post
    Hillary was the worst possible candidate for us Dems. I blame NY Dems for nominating her for Senate and continuing the Clinton nightmare. I'm talking about her husband's philandering. I must also blame myself for voting for her in the CA primary.
    I have a question for libertarians, what's with your position on the abortion issue? (See Rand Paul) You used to with us that a prohibition would be government intrusion. Perhaps science will soon give us an answer, then the GOP could move towards principled libertarian?
    And, weren't the libertarians for free trade? That's another issue I thought we were in alliance.
    I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'm certainly in favor of free trade and legal abortion. I would like to say that while Rand Paul has some very libertarian opinions on issues like firearms and the war on drugs, he is a Republican first and foremost, and I cannot claim to be a card-carrying libertarian either. Just an independent with a number of libertarian values.

    I don't think that the Republicans will start leaning toward libertarian values any time soon, unfortunately. It's killing them, but they have a very large evangelical base that they have to keep satisfied, and any issues they moved left on would likely do little to sway voters from the Democrats, so I suspect they will continue to dig their heels in on social issues.
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    Re: 2017 Political Earthquake, 2018 Political Tsunami?

    Quote Originally Posted by CletusWilbury View Post
    I really liked his well written essay to. Your response here is worthy.
    It would help if conservatives could define their ideology, for that lack, you vote for a guy with no ideology.
    It's been wandering between what was conservative under Reagan to anti-trade with a 'reject all experts' attitude. That means you're rejecting conservative experts too.
    It's tough because there is a major philosophical divide between the libertarian and the conservatives. There are serious differences there, but just ignoring them by saying that's just experts arguing , just do something!, I don't get it.
    Well, I think the real solution there is one we should have dealt with literally decades, if not centuries, ago: removing impediments to viable third parties. And there ARE real impedements, in terms of what percentage makes them "worthy" of any sort of air time.

    Because you're right, they are very different. Hell, some libertarians are closer to to the left of the spectrum than to typical conservatives. Some are unrecognizable under either paradigm. Why is there no choice but for them to try to shove themselves into one of the main two parties?

    America is politically diverse, as much as our partisan football sometimes makes it look otherwise. We need to have the ability to elect equally diverse representation.

    Part of the reason we wound up with Trump is because of so many "never Hillary's" who had no one else to viably vote for, because the leading independent candidate put on a DNC hat since that was the only way to give himself any sort of platform. A lot of people who came down for Trump, or didn't vote at all, would have voted for Bernie instead. Hell, they would have voted for a third party, if they had any belief whatsoever that they had a shot in hell of being elected.

    And that same thing happens over and over again at all levels of our elected officials. There's no reason for it. It's long overdue to be fixed.

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    Re: 2017 Political Earthquake, 2018 Political Tsunami?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perception my friend. When a voter, let's call them independents looks at the economy especially almost two years into a new president's term, they're not about to get into the nitty gritty of who and when. If the economy is in the pits or booming, whoever is president will get the credit.

    Keep in mind, most voters, especially independents aren't political junkies like us on this site. They don't get involved in the intricate details. Most look at their wallet, feel if it is thick or thin and vote accordingly. Perception, how one perceives the current circumstances will win the day.
    I understand and in most times would agree with your point. Trump is different. The normal assumptions do not apply with him.
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    Re: 2017 Political Earthquake, 2018 Political Tsunami?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrShangles View Post
    I don’t think this is the big overturn y’all are hoping for, but go ahead and celibate, y’all have lost so many lately.


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    Re: 2017 Political Earthquake, 2018 Political Tsunami?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'm certainly in favor of free trade and legal abortion. I would like to say that while Rand Paul has some very libertarian opinions on issues like firearms and the war on drugs, he is a Republican first and foremost, and I cannot claim to be a card-carrying libertarian either. Just an independent with a number of libertarian values.

    I don't think that the Republicans will start leaning toward libertarian values any time soon, unfortunately. It's killing them, but they have a very large evangelical base that they have to keep satisfied, and any issues they moved left on would likely do little to sway voters from the Democrats, so I suspect they will continue to dig their heels in on social issues.
    How about if science can figure out how to transport the fetus to another woman? Would the evangelicals accept that solution? Maybe you can convince them on free trade.

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