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    What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss[W:152]

    Swing voters in the swing states that voted for Obama twice switched to Trump in 16'. Why? One, the Obama economy was abysmal. You disagree? Fine. Then why did all those voters in the midwest and Florida vote for Trump instead of Hillary IF, as you allege, the economy was just humming along just fine? Two, Trump promised (and has delivered) on putting Americans FIRST, instead of LAST, for a change.

    The Democratic Party used to be known as the party for the average working American. That is no longer the case.

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    Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

    I believe it was the sum of a fair few issues rather than any one in particular. Yes, the economy was one. Other stuff included their pushing through of major social changes without bothering to try and persuade people, Bill Clinton's signing of free trade agreements that aided deindustrialisation, the drug crisis, arrogant and sometimes bigoted assumptions about voting patterns, the tendency to dismiss out of hand any criticism of their campaign, alienation of the Sanders wing, Hillary's multiple skeletons in the closet, disillusionment over Obama's inability to live up to some of his promises, the Supreme Court vacancy, etc.

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    Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by Harbo View Post
    I believe it was the sum of a fair few issues rather than any one in particular. Yes, the economy was one. Other stuff included their pushing through of major social changes without bothering to try and persuade people, Bill Clinton's signing of free trade agreements that aided deindustrialisation, the drug crisis, arrogant and sometimes bigoted assumptions about voting patterns, the tendency to dismiss out of hand any criticism of their campaign, alienation of the Sanders wing, Hillary's multiple skeletons in the closet, disillusionment over Obama's inability to live up to some of his promises, the Supreme Court vacancy, etc.
    I think you make some fair points and, let's face it, Hillary was an awful candidate.

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    Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

    I think what is far more interesting is all the winning trump is bringing to the country /s
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    Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    I think what is far more interesting is all the winning trump is bringing to the country /s
    I see you don't want to speak to the topic of the thread.

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    Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by BadK9 View Post
    Swing voters in the swing states that voted for Obama twice switched to Trump in 16'. Why? One, the Obama economy was abysmal. You disagree? Fine. Then why did all those voters in the midwest and Florida vote for Trump instead of Hillary IF, as you allege, the economy was just humming along just fine? Two, Trump promised (and has delivered) on putting Americans FIRST, instead of LAST, for a change.

    The Democratic Party used to be known as the party for the average working American. That is no longer the case.
    Trump is very good at fooling idiots.

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    Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by BadK9 View Post
    I see you don't want to speak to the topic of the thread.
    Its rather stupid to talk about the loser. Lets talk about the winner and how our country is doing.
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    Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    I think what is far more interesting is all the winning trump is bringing to the country /s
    I commend the Left for their graciousness in losing (s)
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    Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Trump is very good at fooling idiots.
    Your attitude sucks. Needs adjusting.
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    Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

    Quote Originally Posted by BadK9 View Post
    Swing voters in the swing states that voted for Obama twice switched to Trump in 16'. Why? One, the Obama economy was abysmal. You disagree? Fine. Then why did all those voters in the midwest and Florida vote for Trump instead of Hillary IF, as you allege, the economy was just humming along just fine? Two, Trump promised (and has delivered) on putting Americans FIRST, instead of LAST, for a change.

    The Democratic Party used to be known as the party for the average working American. That is no longer the case.
    First of all, the economy in 2016 was good by almost all measures. But a sector of America - largely the undereducated and those not able to adapt to a computer technology economy - feel left out and see their way of life declining and fear for themselves and their children. Trump appealed to them as their savior.

    Second, the real challenge of this century is what to do with large numbers of people who are simply not needed to be producers in this new economy. Solve that problem and you go a long way to solving our political problems as well.

    And Trump has not the foggiest idea how to do that. The idea that coal is coming back in beyond stupid. Trump cannot run back the clock to the 1940's.
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