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What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss[W:152]

Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Trump won because a bunch of empty land voted Republican? You would have found a very similar map of Obama's victories.

You simply will not find Democrats in rural America. Too many people out there hate them gays, abortions, black folk, Mexicans and Muslims to ever vote for anyone other than the Christian White Party.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

You simply will not find Democrats in rural America. Too many people out there hate them gays, abortions, black folk, Mexicans and Muslims to ever vote for anyone other than the Christian White Party.

And that hasn't really changed much over the past few years, so it's silly to say that's why Trump won.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Its rather stupid to talk about the loser. Lets talk about the winner and how our country is doing.

Then start a thread on that subject. Don't hijack this one.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Trump won because a bunch of empty land voted Republican? You would have found a very similar map of Obama's victories.

Trump won because all Hillary had was several concentrations of voters going for her. Given our Electoral system, that won't get anyone elected.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

You simply will not find Democrats in rural America. Too many people out there hate them gays, abortions, black folk, Mexicans and Muslims to ever vote for anyone other than the Christian White Party.

That's just you using ignorance as bait.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Your attitude sucks. Needs adjusting.

Obviously not one of your gracious losers.
 
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I could, but I doubt you're open to the concept that immigration should be based on what's best for the average American, as opposed to what's best for a foreigner that wants to live here.

So you are unable to provide examples of jobs being taken from Americans by immigrants. Got it.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

That's just you using ignorance as bait.

Or a very narrow minded prejudice view of people with out any real knowledge of them.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Land doesn't vote. Please explain how that map is "why Trump won" when more people voted for Hillary.

sigh...

Obviously, you didn't look at the website. If you had, you'd know what that map is all about and you'd understand how it shows why Trump won.

Look...you aren't stupid, so don't ask me stupid questions.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

That's just you using ignorance as bait.

Oh, there's ignorance involved alright.

This research led me to two conclusions. First, when gut feelings are present, dispassionate reasoning is rare. In fact, many people struggled to fabricate harmful consequences that could justify their gut-based condemnation. I often had to correct people when they said things like "it's wrong because… um…eating dog meat would make you sick" or "it's wrong to use the flag because… um… the rags might clog the toilet." These obviously post-hoc rationalizations illustrate the philosopher David Hume's dictum that reason is "the slave of the passions, and can pretend to no other office than to serve and obey them." This is the first rule of moral psychology: feelings come first and tilt the mental playing field on which reasons and arguments compete...

When Republicans say that Democrats "just don't get it," this is the "it" to which they refer. Conservative positions on gays, guns, god, and immigration must be understood as means to achieve one kind of morally ordered society. When Democrats try to explain away these positions using pop psychology they err, they alienate, and they earn the label "elitist."

https://www.edge.org/conversation/jonathan_haidt-what-makes-people-vote-republican
 
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You simply will not find Democrats in rural America. Too many people out there hate them gays, abortions, black folk, Mexicans and Muslims to ever vote for anyone other than the Christian White Party.

Not true. My rural GA county had about 9K Republican votes cast and almost 2K Democrat votes last election. Those maps and those like it show the counties that went Republican. It does not show what the percentage of votes was, only that it went red or blue. Could have been 80%/20%, like my county or it could have been 55%/45%. And while most of the folks I meet here are not hate filled, we do like us some god and guns.
On second look, the color is supposed to represent the percentages. My bad. Numbers would be better and I assume that data is out there somewhere.
 
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Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Swing voters in the swing states that voted for Obama twice switched to Trump in 16'. Why? One, the Obama economy was abysmal. You disagree? Fine. Then why did all those voters in the midwest and Florida vote for Trump instead of Hillary IF, as you allege, the economy was just humming along just fine? Two, Trump promised (and has delivered) on putting Americans FIRST, instead of LAST, for a change.

The Democratic Party used to be known as the party for the average working American. That is no longer the case.

The economy is not abysmal for everyone. The wage gap is the issue. Of course, any remedies for this will be attacked as "socialism". The GOP has no solutions for this. They will tell you the brown people are taking your jobs when in reality it is automation.
 
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Do you think the American people want to pay triple for a head of lettuce since it is picked by an American citizen getting $20 per hour plus benefits?

Are Americans willing to double the cost of a meal if it is prepared and cooked by an all American wait and kitchen staff getting those wages and benefits?

What about getting your law mowed or your sheets changed at a hotel or that nanny?

Sure, I will concede that there are some jobs immigrants take that Americans would be doing. No problem there. I admit that. But the Demons Trump rails against - the people coming over the Mexican border - are the people who work in kitchens or in landscape or do day work for low wages that are not going to be done by Americans at those same wages nor is American business ready to radically change its business model to change the wage and benefit scale making immigrants irrelevant to them.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Do you think the American people want to pay triple for a head of lettuce since it is picked by an American citizen getting $20 per hour plus benefits?

Are Americans willing to double the cost of a meal if it is prepared and cooked by an all American wait and kitchen staff getting those wages and benefits?

What about getting your law mowed or your sheets changed at a hotel or that nanny?

Sure, I will concede that there are some jobs immigrants take that Americans would be doing. No problem there. I admit that. But the Demons Trump rails against - the people coming over the Mexican border - are the people who work in kitchens or in landscape or do day work for low wages that are not going to be done by Americans at those same wages nor is American business ready to radically change its business model to change the wage and benefit scale making immigrants irrelevant to them.

Greetings, haymarket. :2wave:

With the millions of immigrants that have already arrived, shouldn't there be sufficient numbers already here that are willing to work? :shock:
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Do you think the American people want to pay triple for a head of lettuce since it is picked by an American citizen getting $20 per hour plus benefits?

Are Americans willing to double the cost of a meal if it is prepared and cooked by an all American wait and kitchen staff getting those wages and benefits?

What about getting your law mowed or your sheets changed at a hotel or that nanny?

Sure, I will concede that there are some jobs immigrants take that Americans would be doing. No problem there. I admit that.
But the Demons Trump rails against - the people coming over the Mexican border - are the people who work in kitchens or in landscape or do day work for low wages that are not going to be done by Americans at those same wages nor is American business ready to radically change its business model to change the wage and benefit scale making immigrants irrelevant to them.

Thank you. I'm not sure why you asked the question when you already knew the answer. It's relatively common knowledge. No change in business models is required. Those businesses that hire illegal immigrants should be heavily fined. If profit margins are insufficient for those who employ legal immigrants and Americans, they're in the wrong business.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Land doesn't vote. Please explain how that map is "why Trump won" when more people voted for Hillary.

No candidate has ever won the popular vote in recent history. With roughly half the population not voting a candidate would have to win with almost 100% of the voter turn out to even have a shot at winning the popular vote. Half the people in this country don't waste their time voting for either of the 2 party puppets.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

First of all, the economy in 2016 was good by almost all measures. But a sector of America - largely the undereducated and those not able to adapt to a computer technology economy - feel left out and see their way of life declining and fear for themselves and their children. Trump appealed to them as their savior.

Second, the real challenge of this century is what to do with large numbers of people who are simply not needed to be producers in this new economy. Solve that problem and you go a long way to solving our political problems as well.

And Trump has not the foggiest idea how to do that. The idea that coal is coming back in beyond stupid. Trump cannot run back the clock to the 1940's.

..and adding to the TDS, we get some good old fashioned liberal bigotry.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Not true. My rural GA county had about 9K Republican votes cast and almost 2K Democrat votes last election. Those maps and those like it show the counties that went Republican. It does not show what the percentage of votes was, only that it went red or blue. Could have been 80%/20%, like my county or it could have been 55%/45%. And while most of the folks I meet here are not hate filled, we do like us some god and guns.
On second look, the color is supposed to represent the percentages. My bad. Numbers would be better and I assume that data is out there somewhere.

Good ****ing grief. OK, you will not find majority of democratic voters in rural America. Jesus ****ing Christ. Use your head when you read a post.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Land doesn't vote. Please explain how that map is "why Trump won" when more people voted for Hillary.

No candidate has ever won the popular vote in recent history. With roughly half the population not voting a candidate would have to win with almost 100% of the voter turn out to even have a shot at winning the popular vote. Half the people in this country don't waste their time voting for either of the 2 party puppets.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

You simply will not find Democrats in rural America. Too many people out there hate them gays, abortions, black folk, Mexicans and Muslims to ever vote for anyone other than the Christian White Party.

..and even more bigotry...
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Do you think the American people want to pay triple for a head of lettuce since it is picked by an American citizen getting $20 per hour plus benefits?

Are Americans willing to double the cost of a meal if it is prepared and cooked by an all American wait and kitchen staff getting those wages and benefits?

What about getting your law mowed or your sheets changed at a hotel or that nanny?

Sure, I will concede that there are some jobs immigrants take that Americans would be doing. No problem there. I admit that. But the Demons Trump rails against - the people coming over the Mexican border - are the people who work in kitchens or in landscape or do day work for low wages that are not going to be done by Americans at those same wages nor is American business ready to radically change its business model to change the wage and benefit scale making immigrants irrelevant to them.

Hmm... again we see folks that like pressure to keep wages low but see no problem with paying US folks not to work to support themselves. If we expect low skilled, barely educated, non-English speaking immigrant folks to support themselves and their dependents working low wage jobs without benefit of the "safety net" then why not apply that same expectation to US citizens? The main (only?) reason that we need ever more immigrants is that the next generation of those immigrants, who are US citizens, can (and do?) take advantage of the "safety net" alternative to taking those 'job's that US citizens won't do'.
 
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