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What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss[W:152]

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Swing voters in the swing states that voted for Obama twice switched to Trump in 16'. Why? One, the Obama economy was abysmal. You disagree? Fine. Then why did all those voters in the midwest and Florida vote for Trump instead of Hillary IF, as you allege, the economy was just humming along just fine? Two, Trump promised (and has delivered) on putting Americans FIRST, instead of LAST, for a change.

The Democratic Party used to be known as the party for the average working American. That is no longer the case.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

I believe it was the sum of a fair few issues rather than any one in particular. Yes, the economy was one. Other stuff included their pushing through of major social changes without bothering to try and persuade people, Bill Clinton's signing of free trade agreements that aided deindustrialisation, the drug crisis, arrogant and sometimes bigoted assumptions about voting patterns, the tendency to dismiss out of hand any criticism of their campaign, alienation of the Sanders wing, Hillary's multiple skeletons in the closet, disillusionment over Obama's inability to live up to some of his promises, the Supreme Court vacancy, etc.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

I believe it was the sum of a fair few issues rather than any one in particular. Yes, the economy was one. Other stuff included their pushing through of major social changes without bothering to try and persuade people, Bill Clinton's signing of free trade agreements that aided deindustrialisation, the drug crisis, arrogant and sometimes bigoted assumptions about voting patterns, the tendency to dismiss out of hand any criticism of their campaign, alienation of the Sanders wing, Hillary's multiple skeletons in the closet, disillusionment over Obama's inability to live up to some of his promises, the Supreme Court vacancy, etc.

I think you make some fair points and, let's face it, Hillary was an awful candidate.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

I think what is far more interesting is all the winning trump is bringing to the country /s
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

I think what is far more interesting is all the winning trump is bringing to the country /s

I see you don't want to speak to the topic of the thread.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Swing voters in the swing states that voted for Obama twice switched to Trump in 16'. Why? One, the Obama economy was abysmal. You disagree? Fine. Then why did all those voters in the midwest and Florida vote for Trump instead of Hillary IF, as you allege, the economy was just humming along just fine? Two, Trump promised (and has delivered) on putting Americans FIRST, instead of LAST, for a change.

The Democratic Party used to be known as the party for the average working American. That is no longer the case.

Trump is very good at fooling idiots.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

I see you don't want to speak to the topic of the thread.

Its rather stupid to talk about the loser. Lets talk about the winner and how our country is doing.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

I think what is far more interesting is all the winning trump is bringing to the country /s

I commend the Left for their graciousness in losing (s)
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Swing voters in the swing states that voted for Obama twice switched to Trump in 16'. Why? One, the Obama economy was abysmal. You disagree? Fine. Then why did all those voters in the midwest and Florida vote for Trump instead of Hillary IF, as you allege, the economy was just humming along just fine? Two, Trump promised (and has delivered) on putting Americans FIRST, instead of LAST, for a change.

The Democratic Party used to be known as the party for the average working American. That is no longer the case.

First of all, the economy in 2016 was good by almost all measures. But a sector of America - largely the undereducated and those not able to adapt to a computer technology economy - feel left out and see their way of life declining and fear for themselves and their children. Trump appealed to them as their savior.

Second, the real challenge of this century is what to do with large numbers of people who are simply not needed to be producers in this new economy. Solve that problem and you go a long way to solving our political problems as well.

And Trump has not the foggiest idea how to do that. The idea that coal is coming back in beyond stupid. Trump cannot run back the clock to the 1940's.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Trump is very good at fooling idiots.

And you're a "centrist"? :lol:
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

...the real challenge of this century is what to do with large numbers of people who are simply not needed to be producers in this new economy.

Implementing an immigration system that takes into consideration what is best for the average AMERICAN is a good start and Trump is doing the right thing there! Having an unlimited pool of no-skill immigrants to compete against Americans and that drive down wages is BAD for the average American.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

First of all, the economy in 2016 was good by almost all measures.

Apparently, a sufficient number of swing voters in swing states didn't see it that way.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Your attitude sucks. Needs adjusting.

Agreed. It's just a rhetorical insult.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Implementing an immigration system that takes into consideration what is best for the average AMERICAN is a good start and Trump is doing the right thing there! Having an unlimited pool of no-skill immigrants to compete against Americans and that drive down wages is BAD for the average American.

Can you provide examples of jobs immigrants are taking from native born Americans?
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Apparently, a sufficient number of swing voters in swing states didn't see it that way.

The opinion of those swing voters does not change the reality of a strong economy by almost every measure.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Its rather stupid to talk about the loser. Lets talk about the winner and how our country is doing.

I started this thread because I've seen a multitude of threads lamenting voters for not picking Hillary. I didn't notice you admonishing them for discussing her.

Does this forum have an "ignore" option?
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

The opinion of those swing voters does not change the reality of a strong economy by almost every measure.

No, it just changes who lives in the White House.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

No, it just changes who lives in the White House.

When you have a mechanism that ignores the will of the American people, that can sometimes happen regardless of how strong the economy is.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Can you provide examples of jobs immigrants are taking from native born Americans?

I could, but I doubt you're open to the concept that immigration should be based on what's best for the average American, as opposed to what's best for a foreigner that wants to live here.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

And you're a "centrist"? :lol:

All the better to see through the con game...on either side.
 
Re: What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss

Trump is very good at fooling idiots.

I think that sums it up pretty well. It reminds me of the beginning of idiocracy where the smart people kept waiting and waiting to have children until it was too late and the idiots kept having children without thinking first.
 
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