What liberals are unwilling to acknowledge regarding Hillary's loss[W:152]

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MovingPictures said:

Sheltered businessmen have little to no idea how to handle countries like North Korea, Iran, Syria, or Russia.

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Is that why you voted for the community organizer?

BadK9 said:

Swing voters in the swing states that voted for Obama twice switched to Trump in 16'. Why? One, the Obama economy was abysmal. You disagree? Fine. Then why did all those voters in the midwest and Florida vote for Trump instead of Hillary IF, as you allege, the economy was just humming along just fine? Two, Trump promised (and has delivered) on putting Americans FIRST, instead of LAST, for a change.

The Democratic Party used to be known as the party for the average working American. That is no longer the case.

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This is an incredibly misguided argument.

It's pretty obvious that President Trump won because gullible, desperate Americans believed his lies, like that he would put America first.

I think you're confusing "the party that appeals to stupid people," with "the party that appeals to working class people," actually, lots of working class people are rather smart. Like those Carrier employees who were facing layoffs; they didn't care about President Trump's vain attempt to bribe Carrier, that was just a publicity stunt for gullible fools who don't understand economic realities.

YorkshirePete said:

Just go to college, get a science degree and you're golden.

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Typical, liberal elitist snobbery. The days of the Democrats looking after the little guy are long over.

DA60 said:

- because since he took office: in the last three months, only a pitiful average of 79,000 new 'jobs' have been created AND since Trump took office, only 145,000 new 'jobs' on average have been created since the beginning of February (his first full month in office).

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Your numbers seem to be way off.

July jobs report: U.S. has added a million jobs in Trump's first six months - Aug. 4, 2017

The U.S. economy added a strong 209,000 jobs in July, more than economists had expected. The unemployment rate fell to 4.3%, matching a 16-year low. Just after the Great Recession in 2009, unemployment peaked at 10%.

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PIPEWRENCH said:

I am apposed to a democracy that can vote away the rights and freedom of the individual with 51%of the vote. What if the majority of people in this country vote to make slaves out of the minority say the Hispanics. In a democracy that is legal. Even the constitution and a bill of right are useless if 51% of the people can amend it to take away other peoples rights. You are just mad because the system we have didn't favor your party. What happens when your party loses the popular vote do we change the rules again. Do we go to dictatorship? Do we keep changing the rules until you win. Run a decent candidate and stop crying over your candidate losing according to the rules. If you change the rules the candidates will change strategy and you will be crying again if you lose. The candidates won't even bother with states that have small populations. They will pander to a handful of cities and 90% of the country will be left out of the process. What a great plan.

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51% of the population cannot vote to amend the Constitution to take away basic constitutional rights. See Article V for details on this process.

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BadK9 said:

Please don't let my Mexican wife or my Hispanic, bilingual children know that I'm a xenophobic racist. Ok?

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I asked you what it meant and said it sounds racist or xenophobic. I also proposed several other interpretations of what you're saying and put out that you were lied to during the campaign and putting very wealthy people he's friends with first would be his real campaign slogan if his campaign hadn't been entirely lies.

BadK9 said:

Trump was the only candidate that didn't need the job. Himself, his daughter and son-in-law are all working for FREE. Can you imagine Hillary working for free or Chelsea not drawing a check? :lamo:lamo:lamo

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Trump working for free is meaningless. Andrew Carnegie was one of the most well known philanthropists in American history (also Scottish, although fully Scottish) but he was responsible for the death of thousands of people and was a brutal tycoon who used violence to force his workers to take low wages. Trump is a billionaire. He needs two new memberships to Mar a Lago to make up for the loss of his annual salary. His daughter and son-in-law have to work for free or they couldn't work for him. Can I imagine Chelsea working for free? Yes. I definitely can imagine that. Hillary was a bad candidate, but Chelsea Clinton doesn't strike me as a particularly greedy or bad person.

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haymarket said:

51% of the population cannot vote to amend the Constitution to take away basic constitutional rights. See Article V for details on this process.

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That is because we are not a democracy. We are a representative government.

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PIPEWRENCH said:

That is because we are not a democracy. We are a representative government.

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So why did you anguish about it happening here in your post about slavery and Hispanics like it was a possibility?

BadK9 said:

Your numbers seem to be way off.

July jobs report: U.S. has added a million jobs in Trump's first six months - Aug. 4, 2017

The U.S. economy added a strong 209,000 jobs in July, more than economists had expected. The unemployment rate fell to 4.3%, matching a 16-year low. Just after the Great Recession in 2009, unemployment peaked at 10%.

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If you had followed by links, you would have seen that my numbers came from the exact same place your numbers came from...the BLS.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t09.htm

Your numbers are the Establishment Survey. This is when the BLS asks a survey of some businesses ('Establishments') about their hiring and firing. But those numbers are modified by the BLS using some mathematical model they have called the Birth/Death model - which (imo, semi-arbitrarily) just adds or subtracts from their survey number every month.

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cesbd.htm

Last month it added 158,000 to the number (though their number is not seasonally adjusted whereas the one the press uses is - so it is a little 'apples and oranges').

Whereas the number I quoted is from a phone survey of actual people (60,000 people I believe) and they - to my knowledge - do not modify the results with some mathematical model (other than seasonal adjusting). So it is a much 'purer' number, imo.
Plus, the number I used is the number they use to determine the unemployment rate - not the number you used.

YorkshirePete said:

The anti Obamas always forget we were losing 750000 jobs a month when he came in.
What's he supposed to do? I thought we were all about personal responsibility.
Just go to college, get a science degree and you're golden.

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If you think that Obama had anything more than a minor influence on ending the Great Recession - then I am afraid you do not understand macroeconomics very well.

Recessions are just corrections. The GR was a large one and once the prices have corrected themselves, the recessions usually end.

Also, the Fed had far, FAR to do with helping the economy than anything Obama did at that time as they chopped interest rates to near nothing and forked over $1.7 trillion (with a 'T') to bail out the banks and pump up the stock market.
And remember, both the auto bailouts and TARP were started under GWB - not Obama.
Finally, even the CBO admits that Obama's ARRA stimulus did not take effect to any remote extent until LONG after the GR had ended. And it was only in the hundreds of billions...nowhere NEAR the $1.7 TRILLION the Fed put into the economy (and the Fed was being run by Bernanke - a Bush appointee).

Sorry...Obama had minimal effect on the end of the Great Recession. And far, FAR less than the Fed did.
The worst of it was over and the banks were recovered by the time Obama took office.

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BadK9 said:

Is that why you voted for the community organizer?

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At least he didn't have mental breakdowns every three days like the reality TV show host does.

BadK9 said:

Typical, liberal elitist snobbery. The days of the Democrats looking after the little guy are long over.

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You think Republicans look after the little guy? :lamo

BadK9 said:

Typical, liberal elitist snobbery. The days of the Democrats looking after the little guy are long over.

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Sorry BK, this is just another example of a conservative (or conservative like poster) posting "facts" based on conservative narratives. Democrats have consistently helped the little guy and the middle class. The stimulus, auto bailout and the jobs bill republicans stopped are just a few examples of democrats trying to help the little guy and the middle class. Obamacare is also another example. Besides helping poor people get health coverage, I have assets to protect (a home and a substantial 401K thanks to the Great Obama Bull Market) so Obamacare helps me too.