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    LA Times: No, there is no evidence that thousands of noncitizens are illegally voting

    LA Times: No, there is no evidence that thousands of noncitizens are illegally voting and swinging elections - excerpt:
    Part of the Republican-led crackdown on supposed voter fraud, battles over measures to guard against noncitizen voters have percolated for years in election offices, state legislatures and federal courtrooms.

    Records in these fights show that small numbers of noncitizens do end up registered, and a few have cast votes. However, no one has uncovered evidence of thousands of noncitizen voters — and no evidence has emerged to support Trump’s theory of a coordinated effort to throw an election by stuffing the voting rolls with ineligible immigrants.

    “What we have seen are errors,” said Dale Ho, director of the voting rights project of the American Civil Liberties Union. “There’s not a horde of people trying to break into this country so they can vote.”

    Past claims that large numbers of ineligible noncitizens are lurking on the voting rolls have fizzled. In 2012, Florida’s Republican governor, Rick Scott, pushed for a purge of noncitizen voters. An initial list of 180,000 names was whittled to 2,600, then sent to county election supervisors to check. But the smaller list also turned out to be filled with errors, and in the end, only 85 people were removed from the rolls.
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    Re: LA Times: No, there is no evidence that thousands of noncitizens are illegally vo

    I am not convinced that anyone has looked, so saying that nothing has been found means little to nothing.



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    Re: LA Times: No, there is no evidence that thousands of noncitizens are illegally vo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    I am not convinced that anyone has looked, so saying that nothing has been found means little to nothing.
    That's the burden of proof for conspiracy theories: A lack of evidence is evidence.
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    Re: LA Times: No, there is no evidence that thousands of noncitizens are illegally vo

    How can there be evidence that either shows it DOES exist or even that it DOES NOT exist when there is no way to discover the truth due to not requiring any ID, and how some states do with voting by mail?

    Seriously?

    This is like saying there is no evidence that the grass is growing if we don't ever look at the grass. Of course it doesn't exist if you can't see it because you're not looking. This reminds me of the old saying, "it isn't a crime if you don't get caught."
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    Re: LA Times: No, there is no evidence that thousands of noncitizens are illegally vo

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    That's the burden of proof for conspiracy theories: A lack of evidence is evidence.
    Except when it applies to Trump. You can't presume to know what people might do when citizens tell them "no one will know, and no one will care", coulped with the "By any means necessary" credo of the left.

    Bottom line: we as voters have a right to make our vote count and not have it cancelled out by an illegal vote. .
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    Re: LA Times: No, there is no evidence that thousands of noncitizens are illegally vo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    I am not convinced that anyone has looked, so saying that nothing has been found means little to nothing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    How can there be evidence that either shows it DOES exist or even that it DOES NOT exist when there is no way to discover the truth due to not requiring any ID, and how some states do with voting by mail?

    Seriously?

    This is like saying there is no evidence that the grass is growing if we don't ever look at the grass. Of course it doesn't exist if you can't see it because you're not looking. This reminds me of the old saying, "it isn't a crime if you don't get caught."
    Did you guys read the quote in the OP? Someone claimed to have 180,000 names and the "proof" fell down all the way to 85.

    Tell me, would you have the same "a meaningful impact is to be assumed without evidence" attitude when it comes to gun control?

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    Re: LA Times: No, there is no evidence that thousands of noncitizens are illegally vo

    No, no, not thousands, millions.
    And they all voted for Hillary.
    Trump said so, so it must be true.


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    Re: LA Times: No, there is no evidence that thousands of noncitizens are illegally vo

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    That's the burden of proof for conspiracy theories: A lack of evidence is evidence.
    Nope, this is voting, super important to get right, those who run the system should be checking on a regular basis to make sure that only citizens vote, if they are not then they have betrayed us. What we need now is outside experts that most can trust to look at for instance all of california in the last election, and for them to tell us how many of those voters should not have voted. My best guess is that it was around 800,000 for the nation. .

    We need to know.
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    Re: LA Times: No, there is no evidence that thousands of noncitizens are illegally vo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Nope, this is voting, super important to get right, those who run the system should be checking on a regular basis to make sure that only citizens vote, if they are not then they have betrayed us. What we need now is outside experts that most can trust to look at for instance all of california in the last election, and for them to tell us how many of those voters should not have voted. My best guess is that it was around 800,000 for the nation. .

    We need to know.
    The voter fraud myth is one of the biggest lies put forth by the Right. They know it's a lie yet repeatedly double down on it.
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    Re: LA Times: No, there is no evidence that thousands of noncitizens are illegally vo

    The fact remains without ID there is no way to determine if there is voter fraud or not. The democrats seem very afraid of ID which would do nothing but make sure those that are supposed to vote are the only ones voting. As far as these millions and millions of people without ID maybe it is time we found out who they are and get them the ID the need. I do know of a lot of people who do not want to be identified such as criminals, illegal aliens, spies, terrorist, drug dealers, and a host of other malcontents.
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