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Are American Voters Actually Just Stupid?

shrubnose said:
Everyone who voted for Trump wasn't stupid.Some of those people were just ignorant.

:lol:
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according to risky's cite, those who are ignorant rather than stupid comprise 2% of his base




anyway, here is the answer to the OP's original question:
Are American Voters Actually Just Stupid?
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Risky Thicket said:
[h=1]"A New Poll Suggests the Answer May Be Yes"[/h]
Even realizing what they believe is incorrect polls say Trump voters would do the same thing again anyway. :shock:



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Stupid or not, people realize that America has had a terrible 8 years and despite the Leftist propaganda and fake news scandals since Trumps win things have done nothing but get better.
 
trblmkr said:
I've asked this before. Why did they vote for him in the primary? That is the better question
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I don't know of any of them who voted for Trump in the primary.
 
Bucky said:
Chomsky,

The majority of the Democrats voting blocs come from newly eligible voters - those that are under 30, illegal immigrants, and minorities.

I do not want to paint with a broad brush but the majority of people voting under 25 are just straight out of college and do not have that much real life experience/real life knowledge. The majority of their knowledge is from textbooks and in theory.

Illegal immigrants and minorities statistically have less education so I would argue the majority of stupidity is coming from the left.

Trump voters are extremely pragmatic. Trump is securing their interests and concerns making them very intelligent.
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Alright Bucky, I think we should leave my rare support for one of your posts at just that! ;)
 
I didn't vote for him, but he is objectively the lesser evil compared to that vile harpy Clinton.

We dodged a bullet thanks to Trump; credit where credit is due.
 
Lutherf said:
It's highly unlikely that Sanders would have been able to get much of what he talked about through. It all cost too much and neither side of the aisle would have been inclined to raise taxes enough to get it done.
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I think that you are quite right in that. Where we seem to differ is in our estimate of the impact on minds untrained in economics of a dire populist preaching socialism in the White House.
 
I mean the majority of American voters in 2016 were stupid, that's for sure, but thank goodness their candidate still lost.
 
joG said:
I think that you are quite right in that. Where we seem to differ is in our estimate of the impact on minds untrained in economics of a dire populist preaching socialism in the White House.
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That aspect isn't going away any time soon. The desire to develop an economic model which supports massive public services is nothing new. It's the fundamental goal of Marxist economics but pretty much always ends up in conflict with basic individual liberty as the two are in no way compatible. Sanders and Clinton were both headed in the same direction with that but Sanders was more Trotsky while Clinton had a lot of Stalin in her.
 
jet57 said:
The far right are the stupidest people this country has ever seen and their unwavering support of Donald Trump through all of the slap-dash unprofessional mismanagement of the administration just reinforces that conclusion. I think that moderate voters who thought Trump might make a difference would think twice, but the Trump base, egged on by the likes of Sean Hannity would vote for Trump a hundred times just out of spite and ignorance.
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Remember, not only did many of us oppose Donald Trump, most of us actually opposed him during the primaries, and many of us voted against him in the general election. The people who supported Trump embarrassed those of us who are on the right and were too smart to support that fraud.
 
Yes.

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hillary estimated that about 1/3 of trump voters are irredeemable. I think it's closer to 1/2, but yes, they are worthless ****s and i'm amazed they have the faculty to even get to a voting booth. It's lamentable that evolution wasn't so great a leap forward after all
 
Risky Thicket said:
What is my side? Oh, you don't know, do you?

I don't have a side, Bucko. You make a huge self-limiting mistake when you automatically assume that people you don't agree with regarding specific issues are on the "other" side. Are you also one of those people who seems to believe political affiliation is genetically determined?
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Why don't you tell what your side is?
 
Risky Thicket said:
[h=1]"A New Poll Suggests the Answer May Be Yes"[/h]
Even realizing what they believe is incorrect polls say Trump voters would do the same thing again anyway. :shock:



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Obama was elected twice. So yes, at least a significant portion of the electorate is just plain STUPID.
 
tres borrachos said:
Remember, not only did many of us oppose Donald Trump, most of us actually opposed him during the primaries, and many of us voted against him in the general election. The people who supported Trump embarrassed those of us who are on the right and were too smart to support that fraud.
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Oh, I agree 150% with you on that. Trump AND Fox News, have brought both shame and reproach to the entirety of the Republican party and those conservatives who are non partisan. The Republican leaders have been doing nothing BUT throwing fuel on the fire in my opinion; Trump is being defeated every time he turns around, and he's just making it more and more difficult for conservatives to be taken seriously at all.
 
Risky Thicket said:
What is my side? Oh, you don't know, do you?

I don't have a side, Bucko. You make a huge self-limiting mistake when you automatically assume that people you don't agree with regarding specific issues are on the "other" side. Are you also one of those people who seems to believe political affiliation is genetically determined?
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Lol, why do leftists always try to run from their obvious Marxist ideology. You're not fooling anyone, save perhaps yourself. ;)
 
Lutherf said:
Trump is a racist but African-Americans are a homogeneous voting bloc. It's stuff like this that endears me to Alternet and associated moonbat sites.


I'll try this one more time because many on the left STILL don't understand...half or more of Trump's votes were actually votes against Hillary. Hillary Clinton, more even than Jeb Bush, was the epitome of the political class. Half of her own party didn't want her and only voted for her because she wasn't Trump. So, when you ask "If Trump and Clinton were the candidates would you still vote for Trump?" the ONLY answer most anyone to the ideological right of Mao would give you is "Yes".

If Trump was running against Sanders you might get a few more "I just wouldn't vote" responses because even as wacky as Sanders ideas were he was at least human (and besides, he'd never get anything through). Basically, there would be less harm in a Sanders presidency than in a Clinton one.

My hope, assuming we survive the next few years, is that Americans realize that we've created a ****ing monster in DC and that we need to cage it before it kills us. We should NEVER be in a position where a Trump v Clinton election would be this problematic because the federal government should never have so much power that it becomes a problem.
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I meet Americans regularly. In singles, or couples, I have found for the most part them to be reasoning, informed and intelligent people who are of their own mind.

Collectively I see ignorant apes being fed lies which they truly, truly believe.

The material I have read is that NAFTA has resulted in a net gain of jobs with higher incomes; the jobs lost are due to technology and innovation, yet the majority of Americans believe 'good times' are ahead and all we have to do is tear up NAFTA. No one is listening to the independent economists who have painted other, much more gloomy pictures.

Yet, here is Trump one day saying he will amend it, the next threatening to sign an EO to abolish it and the next saying he's willing to negotiate, playing games with allies and trading partners, which is certain to create an atmosphere of trust and respect.

He has convinced the people of West Virginia and much of the US that re-opening coal mines will give them there lives back, yet there is no market for thermal coal in North America, natural gas is cleaner and cheaper AND it would take millions to upgrade power plants to coal....nonetheless as a block they believe in their Santa Claus that the whole world can go back 30 years. And shipping it to China is NOT in the cards and they are shutting down coal in favor of natural gas [the reason this province is pushing LNG].

But they believe it because he says it, and even then HE is a notorious liar.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I meet Americans regularly. In singles, or couples, I have found for the most part them to be reasoning, informed and intelligent people who are of their own mind.

Collectively I see ignorant apes being fed lies which they truly, truly believe.

The material I have read is that NAFTA has resulted in a net gain of jobs with higher incomes; the jobs lost are due to technology and innovation, yet the majority of Americans believe 'good times' are ahead and all we have to do is tear up NAFTA. No one is listening to the independent economists who have painted other, much more gloomy pictures.

Yet, here is Trump one day saying he will amend it, the next threatening to sign an EO to abolish it and the next saying he's willing to negotiate, playing games with allies and trading partners, which is certain to create an atmosphere of trust and respect.

He has convinced the people of West Virginia and much of the US that re-opening coal mines will give them there lives back, yet there is no market for thermal coal in North America, natural gas is cleaner and cheaper AND it would take millions to upgrade power plants to coal....nonetheless as a block they believe in their Santa Claus that the whole world can go back 30 years. And shipping it to China is NOT in the cards and they are shutting down coal in favor of natural gas [the reason this province is pushing LNG].

But they believe it because he says it, and even then HE is a notorious liar.
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There are two problems with the American voter

1: they have too much heaven on their minds (I.e: naive ideas of what they want to happen)


2: the American people are instinctively taught to distrust the institutions of government and neglect their duty to participate in the election of said government
 
fmw said:
I think it safe you say that republicans hate Hillary as much as you hate Trump.
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Hate?

A guy shares a site with the rest of us that makes notes on the poor presidential style of Trump, and you immediately move to HATE>

That suggests there is more hate in your heart than the poster.

There's more hate in the Trump camp in all the rest of America.
 
Bucky said:
Chomsky,

The majority of the Democrats voting blocs come from newly eligible voters - those that are under 30, illegal immigrants, and minorities.

I do not want to paint with a broad brush but the majority of people voting under 25 are just straight out of college and do not have that much real life experience/real life knowledge. The majority of their knowledge is from textbooks and in theory.

Illegal immigrants and minorities statistically have less education so I would argue the majority of stupidity is coming from the left.

Trump voters are extremely pragmatic. Trump is securing their interests and concerns making them very intelligent.
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Absolutely false claims. Show proof there was a significant number of illegal voters.

What is so lovable about the Trump camp is their bull**** never stops, an entire philosophy of hate based on lies.
 
Risky Thicket said:
[h=1]"A New Poll Suggests the Answer May Be Yes"[/h]
Even realizing what they believe is incorrect polls say Trump voters would do the same thing again anyway. :shock:



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I would say they are pretty smart by avoiding Clinton period.
 
Bucky said:
Chomsky,

The majority of the Democrats voting blocs come from newly eligible voters - those that are under 30, illegal immigrants, and minorities.

I do not want to paint with a broad brush but the majority of people voting under 25 are just straight out of college and do not have that much real life experience/real life knowledge. The majority of their knowledge is from textbooks and in theory.

Illegal immigrants and minorities statistically have less education so I would argue the majority of stupidity is coming from the left.

Trump voters are extremely pragmatic. Trump is securing their interests and concerns making them very intelligent.
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This is a Trump quality falsehood right here. Minorities are not "newly eligible", nor is a 29 year old, even if EVERY illegal immigrant managed to vote and voted for Hillary it still wouldn't explain the 3 million vote margin

Also *48%* of Gen X (36-51) vote for dems and even 45% of Boomers and given how few under 30s vote, no not even close to a majority of dem votes comes from that age group

Under 25 might not have much life experience, but they're sure more educated than Trumpites - only 36% of grad students voted for a republican, and they're becoming less and less educated. Back during Clinton I it was basically 50/50

Party affiliation among U.S. voters: 1992-2016 | Pew Research Center
 
azgreg said:
Purely anecdotal but every Trump voter I know did it for one reason only.....he wasn't Clinton. So yeah, they'd vote for him again.
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This was a huge factor in his favor. Clinton was more toxic than the Japanese nuclear reactor. yet liberals elected her anyway knowing the consequences.
she then ran one of the worst campaigns ever as documented.
 
chromium said:
This is a Trump quality falsehood right here. Minorities are not "newly eligible", nor is a 29 year old, even if EVERY illegal immigrant managed to vote and voted for Hillary it still wouldn't explain the 3 million vote margin

Also *48%* of Gen X (36-51) vote for dems and even 45% of Boomers and given how few under 30s vote, no not even close to a majority of dem votes comes from that age group

Under 25 might not have much life experience, but they're sure more educated than Trumpites - only 36% of grad students voted for a republican, and they're becoming less and less educated. Back during Clinton I it was basically 50/50

Party affiliation among U.S. voters: 1992-2016 | Pew Research Center
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this alone speaks to the public value of a good education for all citizens
 
fmw said:
I think it safe you say that republicans hate Hillary as much as you hate Trump.
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I don't hate Clinton.

I find her lack of ethics, and morale fiber pretty much non-existent.
she would sell her mother if it meant she gained 1% more power than she
had the day before.

Her and bill have proven themselves people that should not be in charge of the country or have any type of power at all.
 
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