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Electoral College Vote Constitutionally Certified - Democrats in the US House object

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Can you imagine the uproar in the press if the Republicans had done this to Obama? As it seems to be now, the focus is on how Biden after five minutes of this silliness finally shut them down with his one liner - "It is over."



I got a kick out of the Reuters article, that didn't admit that it was only Democrats doing this, just referring to them all as "members" objecting, and only mentioned the term Democrat when they spin at the end by bringing up the Russian hacking. I laughed and just shook my head.
 
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I got a kick out of watching Ryan smiling through the whole thing and finally at the end just cracked up when Biden informed the Democrats it was over.
 
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Back when Joe was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1991, he was impressive. A very different person than he became by the turn of the century. But in that moment--"It is over."--a little of that old Joe came shining through.

I'm one of the weird ones I guess who would have preferred Joe over Obama. And deep down I suspect that had he run for President this last go round, we might be talking about President Biden instead of President Trump. But if not, then certainly the popular vote would have been even more skewed than it was.
 
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Back when Joe was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1991, he was impressive. A very different person than he became by the turn of the century. But in that moment--"It is over."--a little of that old Joe came shining through.

I'm one of the weird ones I guess who would have preferred Joe over Obama. And deep down I suspect that had he run for President this last go round, we might be talking about President Biden instead of President Trump. But if not, then certainly the popular vote would have been even more skewed than it was.

I liked Joe Biden too. He would have been a much better candidate for the Dems than Hillary.

I've often wondered why he chose not to run?

I can only imagine it was part of some deal worked out with Hillary back when Obama first ran to guarantee her turn to run as the "first Woman President" when he left office.
 
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Same thing happened back when Gore lost. And Gore was the one who shut it down because he was VP.
 
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I got a kick out of watching Ryan smiling through the whole thing and finally at the end just cracked up when Biden informed the Democrats it was over.

Here's the video of the entire proceeding, for your viewing enjoyment:

 
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Can you imagine the uproar in the press if the Republicans had done this to Obama?

Imagine? They did something more cynical and ugly: spend several years accusing Obama of lying about his place of birth and religion, while in congress, agreeing to oppose whatever policies he might seek to pursue (and then following through on it).



Are we really forgetting the right's sustained efforts to cast doubt on the legitimacy of Obama's Presidency?
 
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Back when Joe was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1991, he was impressive. A very different person than he became by the turn of the century. But in that moment--"It is over."--a little of that old Joe came shining through.

I'm one of the weird ones I guess who would have preferred Joe over Obama. And deep down I suspect that had he run for President this last go round, we might be talking about President Biden instead of President Trump. But if not, then certainly the popular vote would have been even more skewed than it was.

I think you're right. Joe lost his moment... for nothing.
 
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Imagine? They did something more cynical and ugly: spend several years accusing Obama of lying about his place of birth and religion, while in congress, agreeing to oppose whatever policies he might seek to pursue (and then following through on it).

Are we really forgetting the right's sustained efforts to cast doubt on the legitimacy of Obama's Presidency?

I think you over-estimate how many Americans believed any of that baloney.
 
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I think you're right. Joe lost his moment... for nothing.

Has he succumbed to some serious lapses in judgment? Sure--his plagarized speech that forced him to withdraw from his first run at the presidency for instance. But basically, I have him pegged as a decent human being with occasional feet of clay as we all have. I have been furious at some on the right who have tried to paint him as something of a pervert and post photos with suggestive comments attached to them. I do not question his character in that regard in any way.

And when he is just being Uncle Joe, he is probably one of the most likeable, even lovable people in Washington.
 
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I liked Joe Biden too. He would have been a much better candidate for the Dems than Hillary.

I've often wondered why he chose not to run?

I can only imagine it was part of some deal worked out with Hillary back when Obama first ran to guarantee her turn to run as the "first Woman President" when he left office.

You don't have to wonder... all you need is a brief internet search.
Biden has been pretty straightforward about his reason for not running- the death of his son Beau.
 
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I got a kick out of watching Ryan smiling through the whole thing and finally at the end just cracked up when Biden informed the Democrats it was over.

Someone needs to giff that
 
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I think you over-estimate how many Americans believed any of that baloney.
I've encountered far too many who did believe to agree with you.
 
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I think you over-estimate how many Americans believed any of that baloney.

"Still, 20 percent of all Americans believe Obama was born outside the United States, with nine percent bizarrely claiming to have solid evidence to prove it."

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/14/a_s...ublicans_believe_president_obama_is_a_muslim/

20% of 320 million is 64 million. That's more than the number of Americans who voted for Trump. I would suggest that you underestimate the gullibility of many Americans.
 
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Imagine? They did something more cynical and ugly: spend several years accusing Obama of lying about his place of birth and religion, while in congress, agreeing to oppose whatever policies he might seek to pursue (and then following through on it).

Are we really forgetting the right's sustained efforts to cast doubt on the legitimacy of Obama's Presidency?

I think you over-estimate how many Americans believed any of that baloney.



Over a period of several years, regular polls indicated that roughly 40% of self-identified Republicans believed Obama was lying about both place of birth and religion, roughly another 20% weren't sure. The last one I saw came out a while after he'd released his long form and the numbers were still about the same.



But then, the number of people who believed it or didn't is somewhat beside my point. The OP is written as if the Democrats are doing something slimey in casting doubt on the legitimacy of Trump's election; maybe, but it's less slimey and a lot less effective than what the Republicans were doing to undermine Obama...
 
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"Still, 20 percent of all Americans believe Obama was born outside the United States, with nine percent bizarrely claiming to have solid evidence to prove it."

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/14/a_s...ublicans_believe_president_obama_is_a_muslim/

20% of 320 million is 64 million. That's more than the number of Americans who voted for Trump. I would suggest that you underestimate the gullibility of many Americans.

Salon.
 
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Can you imagine the uproar in the press if the Republicans had done this to Obama? As it seems to be now, the focus is on how Biden after five minutes of this silliness finally shut them down with his one liner - "It is over."



I got a kick out of the Reuters article, that didn't admit that it was only Democrats doing this, just referring to them all as "members" objecting, and only mentioned the term Democrat when they spin at the end by bringing up the Russian hacking. I laughed and just shook my head.


The thread title is incorrect. It should be: Electoral College Vote Constitutionally Certified - Democrats in the US House whine
 
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I liked Joe Biden too. He would have been a much better candidate for the Dems than Hillary.

I've often wondered why he chose not to run?

I can only imagine it was part of some deal worked out with Hillary back when Obama first ran to guarantee her turn to run as the "first Woman President" when he left office.

It's a little late but Joe Biden's son, on his deathbed, begged Joe Biden to run against Hillary to stop her. However it was Hillary's "turn" and so he valued Hillary Clinton's loyalty over the dying words of his own child. I don't understand the loyalty to Hillary Clinton personally but there you go.
 
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