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Ex-British ambassador: Russia did NOT provide Clinton emails

Hm. I would say that I don't consider those two items to be mutually contradictory. Generally speaking, in any influence operation, you want as many vectors as possible. I find both to be plausible. Given limited evidence in their favor, therefore, I find both to be likely.

"Know" is a strong word. I find it highly likely that the Russians intend to interfere with US political processes for their own ends, and that they would be willing to do so in the context of an election. The broader Russian intent is to reduce American political willingness to oppose Russia dominating the countries in its' Near Abroad and securing warm water ports (like in Syria). The rise of Trump was pretty beneficial towards that desired end-state, and it would have been a pretty stupid IO director who failed to take advantage of it. The Russians are a lot of things - stupid isn't on the list.

Any use of a proxy actor (such as Wikileaks) would come with deniability, whether that was in the form of a cut-out or a non-disclosure agreement that comes with penalties. If you double cross America, we will get very upset with you, perhaps send you a strongly worded letter, or (worst case scenario) make an international sub-culture hero out of you by talking about how angry we are at you (see: Snowden, Assange). If you double-cross Putin, you die. It's not terribly surprising that Assange would insist that Russia didn't provide him the information - that is what he would be saying whether they had or not.

I am not even a computer person, if you know what I mean, but even I understand the difference between a leak and a hack.

As Binney has noted, if it had been a hack, the NSA would be able to demonstrate the paths taken by the hackers. As the NSA has not come forth with any such evidence, one should assume there was no hack, considering the pattern of behavior of Washington these days--allegations galore, but not one scintilla of evidence or proof.

On the other hand, several people associated with WikiLeaks have claimed it was a disgruntled DNC person. Considering the momentum Bernie had among young people, and how the DNC screwed him royally, it is most plausible that the information was leaked from the inside, not hacked from the outside.

So, the US can assert its Monroe Doctrine as it pleases, but the Russians are not allowed to do the same? Isn't that hypocrisy?
 
I am not even a computer person, if you know what I mean, but even I understand the difference between a leak and a hack.

Sure - one retrieves internal data from a willing source, one from an unwilling. That being said - again - the two are not mutually contradictory. Podesta, for example, seems to have fallen prey to a SpearPhishing email (that, and his password was apparently "P@ssword". Egads.) that granted an intruder (a "hacker") access to his emails.

As Binney has noted, if it had been a hack, the NSA would be able to demonstrate the paths taken by the hackers. As the NSA has not come forth with any such evidence, one should assume there was no hack, considering the pattern of behavior of Washington these days--allegations galore, but not one scintilla of evidence or proof.

.....no... not necessarily. Firstly, the NSA not declassifying classified information does not mean that they do not have it.

Secondly, NSA information is typically integrated into CIA products. Theoretically the DNI has ownership of the PDB process, but as a practical matter, the CIA takes lead on it. I wouldn't make the argument that the CIA Assessment (Which the DNI, who oversees the NSA, agrees with, btw, as does the FBI) does not include NSA reporting unless I had that particular product in my hand, and was able to see the citations. I would be *extremely surprised* to find that such was the case.

Thirdly, once you expose a TTP in the SIGINT realm, you destroy it's usefulness. Declassifying "this is how we find Russian hackers trying to invade our system" simply makes Russian hackers better at invading our system, and possibly ruins current collection operations against them. The NSA is (understandably) extremely reluctant to do this, and so letting their reporting conclusions flow through the CIA would be a natural institutional decision for them.

On the other hand, several people associated with WikiLeaks have claimed it was a disgruntled DNC person. Considering the momentum Bernie had among young people, and how the DNC screwed him royally, it is most plausible that the information was leaked from the inside, not hacked from the outside.

Again, you are treating two plausible pathways for information to flow to WikiLeaks as though somehow they were mutually exclusive. This makes no better sense than an assertion that, because I use the internet, I cannot learn by reading books.

The CIA, now joined by the FBI and DNI, argue that they have good reason to believe that the Russians deliberately interfered with our election process as part of a broader IO campaign against the United States, and that one of those objectives was to boost Trump by harming Hillary (probably they saw it more as delegitimizing Hillary before she became POTUS, but the resulting actions are the same in a zero-sum competition). Plausible action being reported on by generally trustworthy sources in accordance with known Russian intent, capability, and TTPs makes this a likely occurrence. Similarly, Plausible reporting by a questionable source in accordance with known Progressive angst about the abuses of the DNC make a leak a likely occurrence. The two are not mutually contradictory.

So, the US can assert its Monroe Doctrine as it pleases, but the Russians are not allowed to do the same? Isn't that hypocrisy?

1. Whattaboutism is a form of the logical fallacy known as Tu Quoque.

2. The Monroe Doctrine was a doctrine demanding non-interference from outside powers - it was an inherently anticolonial document (if imperialist in the sense that it intended to enforce anti-colonialism over a hemisphere). The Russian approach is quite the opposite - it opposes outside influence in the countries that are near it only as a stepping stone to domination of those countries itself. Ask the populace of Estonia the difference between a partnership with the US and a partnership with Russia - they will quickly educate you on the difference. Russia does not own the countries who are geographically close to it, but it thinks it does.

3. If it were a matter of competing Dominance-Based Imperialisms (and I am not saying that it is, thought plenty of Realists would argue with me (ironically, thereby undercutting one of their own central claims, but that's a different rant)), then it wouldn't be hypocrisy at all, but simple assertion of the national and ideological interests of the portion of the world more dedicated to Liberal notions of self-government, individual liberty, and liberalized economic structures.
 
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Sure - one retrieves internal data from a willing source, one from an unwilling. That being said - again - the two are not mutually contradictory. Podesta, for example, seems to have fallen prey to a SpearPhishing email (that, and his password was apparently "P@ssword". Egads.) that granted an intruder (a "hacker") access to his emails.



.....no... not necessarily. Firstly, the NSA not declassifying classified information does not mean that they do not have it.

Secondly, NSA information is typically integrated into CIA products. Theoretically the DNI has ownership of the PDB process, but as a practical matter, the CIA takes lead on it. I wouldn't make the argument that the CIA Assessment (Which the DNI, who oversees the NSA, agrees with, btw, as does the FBI) does not include NSA reporting unless I had that particular product in my hand, and was able to see the citations. I would be *extremely surprised* to find that such was the case.




Again, you are treating two plausible pathways for information to flow to WikiLeaks as though somehow they were mutually exclusive. This makes no better sense than an assertion that, because I use the internet, I cannot learn by reading books.

The CIA, now joined by the FBI and DNI, argue that they have good reason to believe that the Russians deliberately interfered with our election process as part of a broader IO campaign against the United States, and that one of those objectives was to boost Trump by harming Hillary (probably they saw it more as delegitimizing Hillary before she became POTUS, but the resulting actions are the same in a zero-sum competition). Plausible action being reported on by generally trustworthy sources in accordance with known Russian intent, capability, and TTPs makes this a likely occurrence. Similarly, Plausible reporting by a questionable source in accordance with known Progressive angst about the abuses of the DNC make a leak a likely occurrence. The two are not mutually contradictory.



1. Whattaboutism is a form of the logical fallacy known as Tu Quoque.

2. The Monroe Doctrine was a doctrine demanding non-interference from outside powers - it was an inherently anticolonial document (if imperialist in the sense that it intended to enforce anti-colonialism over a hemisphere). The Russian approach is quite the opposite - it opposes outside influence in the countries that are near it only as a stepping stone to domination of those countries itself. Ask the populace of Estonia the difference between a partnership with the US and a partnership with Russia - they will quickly educate you on the difference. Russia does not own the countries who are geographically close to it, but it thinks it does.

3. If it were a matter of competing Dominance-Based Imperialisms (and I am not saying that it is, thought plenty of Realists would argue with me (ironically, thereby undercutting one of their own central claims, but that's a different rant)), then it wouldn't be hypocrisy at all, but simple assertion of the national and ideological interests of the portion of the world more dedicated to Liberal notions of self-government, individual liberty, and liberalized economic structures.

You may be right on your technical comments, but I am not informed enough on the matter to make a qualified response. You may be right, or you may be wrong. That said, having read several of Binney's and the VIPS people comments on this matter, I'm going to go with the whistleblowers. Maybe they are right and maybe they are wrong, but I have much faith in whistleblowers.

As to your last 3 points regarding the Monroe Doctrine and any similar philosophies or policies practiced by Russia, I still see some measure of hypocrisy on our part. Point 1 is probably true, but seems irrelevant to real life situations.

Point 2, yes it laid the foundation for US imperialism in this hemisphere. Our record of interference in the legitimate political actions and decisions of countries in Central and South America is well established. Your claim that the Russian approach is quite the opposite is hollow. Just as our military intervention in Central and South America is established, Russian intervention in Hungary at least is also well established. I think the differences you claim between their behavior and ours is artificial. I suspect the Baltic countries are about to find out just how productive their alliances with NATO are.

Point 3, spheres of influence are a part of human history. All powerful nations have had spheres of influence. It is a natural development. That we claim the right to it is therefore natural too. Ditto Russia. That we bad mouth Russia for doing the same thing we do is hypocrisy with a healthy dose of arrogance.
 
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All that, and I forgot to address the main point: in spite of your well thought out and well delivered points, you have not made a persuasive case that it was the Russians who hacked the emails or interfered in our election. :mrgreen: Neither you nor Hillary nor Barack have been able to make that case.
 
Here's my thoughts about that.

If the new POTUS doesn't want a daily briefing from the CIA, he doesn't have to HEAR a daily briefing from the CIA. Has anyone ever questioned that "need"? The world situation does not require POTUS attention every damned day. It is the responsibility of the CIA to decide what warrants the his attention. That's their job. Time they did it is my thought. CYA briefings waste EVERYONE'S time. Their job is the Reader's Digest version and heavy detail as necessary for US involvement.

More than that sounds like masturbation.

Edit... Time we start questioning everything. "The way its always been" isn't necessarily the way it SHOULD be.

Sounds like more desperate rationalization from the attention-deficit crowd. Maybe if the president-elect would ease off the amphetamines a bit, he could muster the patience to learn a little about geopolitics.

But then again, maybe not.
 
Sounds like more desperate rationalization from the attention-deficit crowd. Maybe if the president-elect would ease off the amphetamines a bit, he could muster the patience to learn a little about geopolitics.

But then again, maybe not.

Oh! Now he's a drug addict. Is that the Left's next brainy idea to discredit the next POTUS? The Democratic Party is sooo screwed. :lamo
 
Oh! Now he's a drug addict. Is that the Left's next brainy idea to discredit the next POTUS? The Democratic Party is sooo screwed. :lamo

Allegations of Trump's abuse of diet pills predate the election by decades.

Try to keep up, Maggie.;)
 
Allegations of Trump's abuse of diet pills predate the election by decades.

Try to keep up, Maggie.;)

I don't take notes about decades old National Inquirer stories. You have way too much time on your little hands.
 
1. You are conflating unlike things. Simply because the Russians intended to interfere in our election and/or conduct information operations against us does not mean that somehow the election of Trump is illegitimate, or that Hillary didn't richly deserve to lose. Despite what Hillary apologists like Podesta might argue, the two are distinct.

2. The CIA is, in fact, remarkably open as far as intelligence organizations go - mostly because our laws demand that it be so. Title 50 organizations in the United States are almost uniquely transparent compared to their peers. They don't have to become some shadowy, evil organization just because they told you something you didn't like.

3. It is also the FBI and the DNI.
How is the attempted voter manipulation (not voter fraud, BTW) of Wikileaks and its sources any different than the MSM's voter manipulation by intensely covering or not covering an event/issue? I see one difference, for sure, in voter manipulation between the two:Wikileaks didn't lie. The MSM did.

Anyone want to dispute the information from Wikileaks was real news? Where are the fact checkers on the Wikileaks disseminations?
 
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How is the attempted voter manipulation of Wikileaks and its sources any different than the MSM's voter manipulation of intensely covering or not covering an event/issue?

Foreign-Power Actor. It's the same reason we got upset when Obama tried to interfere with Israel's election, or the Brexit referendum.

I see one difference, for sure, in voter manipulation between the two:Wikileaks didn't lie. The MSM did.

To lie is to knowingly tell something that is false. I think that's a bit far for the MSM, which is mostly deceptive in that it is attracted to telling one side of the story while purportedly being a neutral observer.

Example: The MSM was a huge boost to Trump: billions in free media in the primaries, effectively giving him all the oxygen in the room. It wasn't a lie for them to treat him that way (as though there were no other serious contenders, just Trump v The Crowd), it was just that he was the story they wanted to tell about the GOP, because he neatly filled in so many of their stereotypes.

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Foreign-Power Actor. It's the same reason we got upset when Obama tried to interfere with Israel's election, or the Brexit referendum.



To lie is to knowingly tell something that is false. I think that's a bit far for the MSM, which is mostly deceptive in that it is attracted to telling one side of the story while purportedly being a neutral observer.

Example: The MSM was a huge boost to Trump: billions in free media in the primaries, effectively giving him all the oxygen in the room. It wasn't a lie for them to treat him that way (as though there were no other serious contenders, just Trump v The Crowd), it was just that he was the story they wanted to tell about the GOP, because he neatly filled in so many of their stereotypes.

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You're saying it's OK for an American-based entity to lie to the American people about the election in order to manipulate their vote? See, there's no doubt the MSM did that.
 
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Yet, it's not OK for a foreign-based entity to TELL THE TRUTH about the election in order to manipulate votes??
 
You're saying it's OK for an American-based entity to lie to the American people about the election in order to manipulate their vote? See, there's no doubt the MSM did that.
See, I already answered both of those points, and you just repeated yourself. Did you hear this somewhere, and thought it a good point?

1. Yes, Americans are supposed to try to influence the election because it's our damn election. This concept, for example, is why it was fine for The Economist to take an editorial position on Brexit, but wrong for Obama to fly to Britain and casually threaten an ally, should they make a choice not to his liking.

Considering the movement so proudly claimed nationalism, you'd think the Trump folks wouldn't be so quick to become internationalist globalists as soon as it became even a little bit convenient. But :shrug: we all of us tend to be hypocrites, which leads to:

2. FOX was in the tank for Trump. MSNBC and CNN were in the tank for Hillary. Breitbart was in the tank for Trump, HuffPo for Hillary. All sought, therefore, to give the news in a way that benefited their candidate, and harmed the other. All were vulnerable to confirmation bias, and all were therefore vulnerable to running claims that turned out to be inaccurate - Breitbart, for example, ran a story about how Trump's enthusiasm would outpace Hillary's polls, using as evidence pictures of his crowds... that turned out to be pictures of spring events. The basis for the story was false. They didn't do it on purpose, they just ran with what sounded good to them, and didn't check. There are many instances of the MSM doing the same. A Lie is different from telling one side of a story (many people forget this when assessing the truthfulness of the "opposing media"), and it's different from being unintentionally incorrect because one fell prey to one's biases.

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See, I already answered both of those points, and you just repeated yourself. Did you hear this somewhere, and thought it a good point?

1. Yes, Americans are supposed to try to influence the election because it's our damn election. This concept, for example, is why it was fine for The Economist to take an editorial position on Brexit, but wrong for Obama to fly to Britain and casually threaten an ally, should they make a choice not to his liking.

Considering the movement so proudly claimed nationalism, you'd think the Trump folks wouldn't be so quick to become internationalist globalists as soon as it became even a little bit convenient. But :shrug: we all of us tend to be hypocrites, which leads to:

2. FOX was in the tank for Trump. MSNBC and CNN were in the tank for Hillary. Breitbart was in the tank for Trump, HuffPo for Hillary. All sought, therefore, to give the news in a way that benefited their candidate, and harmed the other. All were vulnerable to confirmation bias, and all were therefore vulnerable to running claims that turned out to be inaccurate - Breitbart, for example, ran a story about how Trump's enthusiasm would outpace Hillary's polls, using as evidence pictures of his crowds... that turned out to be pictures of spring events. The basis for the story was false. They didn't do it on purpose, they just ran with what sounded good to them, and didn't check. There are many instances of the MSM doing the same. A Lie is different from telling one side of a story (many people forget this when assessing the truthfulness of the "opposing media"), and it's different from being unintentionally incorrect because one fell prey to one's biases.

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So, all the disingeniousness from American entities that were in the tank for certain candidates in an attempt to manipulate votes for this election is OK but not OK if the entity attempting to manipulate votes is non-American??? Even if the non-American entity is attempting to uncover previously hidden truths???
 
So, all the disingeniousness from American entities that were in the tank for certain candidates in an attempt to manipulate votes for this election is OK but not OK if the entity attempting to manipulate votes is non-American??? Even if the non-American entity is attempting to uncover previously hidden truths???

All I can do is redirect you to the previous two posts, where I already answered both of those questions for you at length.

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All I can do is redirect you to the previous two posts, where I already answered both of those questions for you at length.

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An egregious offense only if the entity is foreign to America... OK, how do you feel about the UN's attempted manipulation of American elections with their overt allegiance to globalism, gun control and anti-Israeli sentiment, for examples? How about England in WWII who didn't attempt to manipulate American elections (that I'm aware of) but certainly tried to manipulate American policy in the European Theatre of WWII before Pearl Harbor?

How to you feel about the CIA that attempts to manipulate foreign policy and foreign elections? The Mossad? MI6? FSB? Or is it only OK for American entities to perform dirty tricks on other countries?

Would you consider Edward Snowden an example of a Russian entity that may have been involved in the manipulation of votes for this election? He certainly would've had the motive and means.
 
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How do you feel about the UN's attempted manipulation of American elections with their overt allegiance to globalism, gun control and anti-Israeli sentiment, for examples?

I think that the only way that impacts US elections is that it increases base loyalty among Republicans. I also don't think that's a specific operation to influence an election, so much as it is just their ideological presuppositions.

How about England in WWII who didn't attempt to manipulate American elections (that I'm aware of) but certainly tried to manipulate American policy in the European Theatre of WWII before Pearl Harbor?

That's normal and to be expected from most nations towards most nations. We even have two entire departments (State and Defense) whose purpose to influence other nations.

How to you feel about the CIA that overtly attempts to manipulate foreign policy and foreign elections?

I would say that that's violates their charter. Their portfolio is covert or clandestine action, not overt influence operations. From a governance standpoint, the CIA isn't the actor making those decisions, either. Covert action like that requires an NSC decision, a Presidential Finding and bringing in key members of Congress. The CIA is an action arm for Title 50 covert action, not the decider (IOW: don't blame the CIA so much as the POTUS, who is the key driver, there).

The Mossad? MI6? FSB? Or is it OK only for American agencies to perform dirty tricks on other countries?

An information influence operation of this kind would be against a hostile nation, which is how they (and now, we) should treat it. As a manipulation by a hostile actor.

But what happened to the nationalism? Now we retreat into the whattaboutism of the Globalist Left? So much for the supposed Trump Movement, I suppose. Guess it really was always about the personality cult.




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I think that the only way that impacts US elections is that it increases base loyalty among Republicans. I also don't think that's a specific operation to influence an election, so much as it is just their ideological presuppositions.



That's normal and to be expected from most nations towards most nations. We even have two entire departments (State and Defense) whose purpose to influence other nations.



I would say that that's violates their charter. Their portfolio is covert or clandestine action, not overt influence operations. From a governance standpoint, the CIA isn't the actor making those decisions, either. Covert action like that requires an NSC decision, a Presidential Finding and bringing in key members of Congress. The CIA is an action arm for Title 50 covert action, not the decider (IOW: don't blame the CIA so much as the POTUS, who is the key driver, there).



An information influence operation of this kind would be against a hostile nation, which is how they (and now, we) should treat it. As a manipulation by a hostile actor.

But what happened to the nationalism? Now we retreat into the whattaboutism of the Globalist Left? So much for the supposed Trump Movement, I suppose. Guess it really was always about the personality cult.




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I suppose you're going to want to investigate Pope Francis, now, since he's made some very political statements that, I guess, refer to a 'modern Catholicism'. There are many AMERICAN Catholics who are influenced by his decrees.
 
I suppose you're going to want to investigate Pope Francis, now, since he's made some very political statements that, I guess, refer to a 'modern Catholicism'. There are many AMERICAN Catholics who are influenced by his decrees.
1. Francis's statements haven't been nearly as political as the breathless, click-desperate media has tried to make them out to be.

2. Providing spiritual guidance to the world's Catholics is his job.

3. As far as I am aware, he didn't attempt to influence the election.


But I'm interested in you, here. Have you been a Globalist the entire time? Or is this a recent evolution that occurred as soon as it became politically convenient to do so? I'd like to hear more about how this new standard in which foreigners rightfully have as much influence over our elections as US citizens.

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1. Francis's statements haven't been nearly as political as the breathless, click-desperate media has tried to make them out to be.

2. Providing spiritual guidance to the world's Catholics is his job.

3. As far as I am aware, he didn't attempt to influence the election.


But I'm interested in you, here. Have you been a Globalist the entire time? Or is this a recent evolution that occurred as soon as it became politically convenient to do so? I'd like to hear more about how this new standard in which foreigners rightfully have as much influence over our elections as US citizens.

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How about American policy? I see how the UN has influenced BO... I see how the edicts of Pope Francis influence the thinking of American Catholics... Is it such a large stretch to consider said influences, as examples, will manipulate individual votes (which is exactly what the MSM does. It also is exactly what Wikileaks did)?

I have you boxed into this little corner. Checkmate.
 
One could include Brexit, that British vote to leave the EU, as another foreign entity that manipulated America's election. You see, there are numerous foreign entities that have,at least, attempted to manipulate America's elections over the years. Include Wikileaks in that group of foreigners. But YOU want to single out Putin for Russia's alleged attempted manipulation.... OK, what's your agenda other than Trump-no-more? Hum?
 
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How about American policy? I see how the UN has influenced BO... I see how the edicts of Pope Francis influence the thinking of American Catholics... Is it such a large stretch to consider said influences, as examples, will manipulate individual votes (which is exactly what the MSM does. It also is exactly what Wikileaks did)?

I have you boxed into this little corner. Checkmate.

:lol: boxed into a corner?

Bro - you're the one reduced to block-quoting and resorting to an endless series of whattaboutisms. You're the one reduced to the implicit argument that foreign actors have as much right to influence American politics as American citizens. You're the one who has to repeatedly carefully avoid arguments made in order to draw false equivalences and attempt to obfuscate the issue in order to ignore the fact that you are really completely willing to be a Globalist Internationalist so long as doing so benefits the object of your political personality cult.

:) One of us here is shadowboxing in a corner. But it aint' me ;)
 
One could include Brexit, that British vote to leave the EU, as another foreign entity that manipulated America's election

..... No. Brexit was a vote by the British, for the British. The only foreign interference in domestic political affairs that occurred around Brexit was when Obama (wrongfully) flew to Britian to casually threaten an ally, should they vote in a manner in which he disapproves.

You see, there are numerous foreign entities that have,at least, attempted to manipulate America's elections over the years.

Sure. And as someone who thinks that interference in domestic political affairs by a foreign actor is manipulative and inherently less legitimate than domestic political debate, I, along with other actual conservatives, have generally pointed out that this is generally manipulative, and counterproductive to the extent that Americans actually value their sovereignty. In [url-http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1021/p01s01-woeu.html]2004[/url], for example, Britons tried to organize a letter writing campaign, targeting swing-districts in Ohio, asking them to vote for John Kerry. The attempt probably produced more backlash than anything else (as, perhaps, did Obama's trip to the UK), because people valued sovereignty.

What we have seen in 2016, however, is that those who most loudly hollered about sovereignty, and who were quickest to label anyone they disagreed with as Internationalist Globalist Cucks, are, in fact, themselves quite happy to retreat to Cold-War-Liberal-Era Whattaboutism in defending hostile dictatorships and Internationalist Globalism in excusing outside interference in US Domestic Politics.... so long as it benefits the object of their Personality Cult :).

Which isn't terribly surprising. People generally are prone to that which they accuse others of the most.

Include Wikileaks in that group of foreigners.

Yup. And you'll see no defense of Wikileaks from me. Quite the contrary.

But YOU want to single out Putin

Actually I'm the only one in this discussion being consistent - when Putin does it, when Obama does it, when Wikileaks does it, when England does it, to benefit Democrats, or to benefit Republicans, I know what my country is, and I support her sovereignty against outsiders.

Unlike, for example, those who rush to make excuses for Putin.

what's your agenda other than Trump-no-more? Hum?

I'm Pro-America, Pro-Sovereignty, and Pro-Liberty. That's my agenda, and generally always has been. Trump didn't win the election - Hillary lost it. Trump was simply the benefactor. The idea that somehow Hillary couldn't have lost the election without Russian intervention is a myopic (and desperate) attempt to pretend that her myriad corruptions, weaknesses, and vulnerabilities didn't exist. For Trump fans to adopt that logic is unintentionally hilarious (it undercuts their own candidate), but not less inaccurate.
 
But I can't help but notice you didnt' answer the question. Have you been a Globalist the entire time? Or is this a recent evolution that occurred as soon as it became politically convenient to do so? I'd like to hear more about how this new standard in which foreigners rightfully have as much influence over our elections as US citizens.
 
But I can't help but notice you didnt' answer the question. Have you been a Globalist the entire time? Or is this a recent evolution that occurred as soon as it became politically convenient to do so? I'd like to hear more about how this new standard in which foreigners rightfully have as much influence over our elections as US citizens.
Give an example of an indication I may aspire to globalism.

You seem to be OK with influences in American elections like Brexit. Like the edicts of Pope Gregory. Like Britain pre-Perle Harbor. Like the UN. You realize these are all organizations outside of the US that influence or attempt to influence American elections. Why is your definition of foreign influence in American elections so narrow? Because it serves your anti-Trump purpose, maybe?

How do you explain tactics of our CIA that attempts to influence other countries' elections? That it's OK as long as no blame can be placed on the CIA?
 
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