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Trump won because college-educated Americans are out of touch

what you want is for America to be a democracy, and America was not designed to be one

you ideas are about giving the democratic party a leg up, you don't want states being presented at all...which the president is to represent the Union as whole, not just the people

you want the cities to carry the weight of the election, because that is where most liberals reside.

All I want is for each and every American's vote to count no more or no less than every other American's vote in determining the winner. One person - one vote - with each vote carrying equal weight.

No rational fair minded citizen could possibly object to that principle.

There are no such entities as STATES without first THE PEOPLE.
 
It is a massive mistake for the left, and anyone for that matter, to refer to people who didn't go to college as uneducated. A college degree does not impart wisdom on the receiver of it. It does not impart ethics and integrity. It does not confer upon its participants some special levels of sagacity that are otherwise hidden from someone who didn't attend college.

It is a major mistake to use insult and derogatory excuses to hide from the fact voters had enough, and took back some level of control.

You are being too kind. American universities are where brains are destroyed and molded to the liking of their liberal moron professors.

I lived and studied in a communist country and never saw the level of suppression of free speech as here. And it's getting worse.
 
I think that you will find most people would not appreciate being referred to as uneducated. That reference means what the implication intends.

What term do you find appropriate?
 
A pilot has a heart attack. The first officer is a womanizer and insults Mexicans. A passanger - who just happens to be a commercial pilot - is a convicted child molester.

And the Slyfox696 says: I don't want any of them.

Brilliant.
Your post makes zero sense in the context of the discussion we are having. I'd ask you to clarify, but I doubt you'd be able to. So I'll just wish you a good day.
 
It was enough for over 50 million of them.

That was a close call. Way too close by my taste.

In fact, it was so close that more of your fellow Americans voted for Clinton that did Trump.
 
I think that you will find most people would not appreciate being referred to as uneducated. That reference means what the implication intends.
I know you're a big fan of Trump. Should we just call them "poorly educated" then? Do you feel that's better?
 
Trump will get over 300 votes, he did very well, this was not particularly close.

It was a very close call.

The only reason he won is because of the distribution of the Hillary voters. Move her surplus voters from CA, IL and NY to the red states and Trump would be history.

BTW, your voting system based on the Electoral College and the winner-take-all approach is as sick as voting on Tuesdays.

It is so sick from the conception that it could lead to a situation where a guy who gets 26% of the popular vote in only few large states wins.

Just because it never happend, is a lame excuse.
 
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All I want is for each and every American's vote to count no more or no less than every other American's vote in determining the winner. One person - one vote - with each vote carrying equal weight.

No rational fair minded citizen could possibly object to that principle.

Except they did and with good reason. You think the founders were not educated and fair minded? The reason for the Electoral College is so that COMMUNITIES and STATES are represented. The electoral college has been bastardized with two things winner take all and gerrymandering. Without the electoral college there would be no point for presidential candidates to campaign anywhere but the cities. Take a look at the electoral map. It is mostly red. All the blue is in the city centers on the coasts and in major cities.
 
What term do you find appropriate?

There are no terms that are appropriate.

I've employed MBA's who couldn't think themselves out of a paper bag. I've employed people who didn't graduate high school and were the smartest people in the room.

One of the most valuable and remarkable people I ever employed was functionally illiterate because the circumstance of his upbringing. Yet his contribution to my organization was beyond measure.

It is presumptuous and pretentious to even consider such a measure has any relevance to who or what someone supports and believes in.
 
I know you're a big fan of Trump. Should we just call them "poorly educated" then? Do you feel that's better?

You are free to insult people in any way you see fit. It worked so well this election cycle, I can understand why some would want to continue doing so.
 
I know you're a big fan of Trump. Should we just call them "poorly educated" then? Do you feel that's better?

You would agree that the term is most definitely not friendly or inclusive, and is for the most part used as a pejorative not to mention not necessarily accurate. Hence the resistance by those subjected to it, from even considering your view.
 
Except they did and with good reason. You think the founders were not educated and fair minded? The reason for the Electoral College is so that COMMUNITIES and STATES are represented. The electoral college has been bastardized with two things winner take all and gerrymandering. Without the electoral college there would be no point for presidential candidates to campaign anywhere but the cities. Take a look at the electoral map. It is mostly red. All the blue is in the city centers on the coasts and in major cities.

Communities are made up of citizens.
States are made up of citizens.
You cannot have either without the citizenry who are their lifes blood.

The Dems win the cities and population centers today. The Republicans win the exurbs and rural areas today. That is not changing no matter if we have the EC or not. The EC ensures nothing other than the sad discrimination that voters in the smallest of states have their votes weighted three times compared to those in the largest states. And that is a violation of the sacred principle that each citizen gets one vote and each is worth exactly what every other citizen is worth.
 
Your post makes zero sense in the context of the discussion we are having. I'd ask you to clarify, but I doubt you'd be able to. So I'll just wish you a good day.

How about stopping that bs of lesser of two evils?
 
It was a very close call.

The only reason he won is because of the distribution of the Hillary voters. Move her surplus voters from CA, IL and NY to the red states and Trump would be history.

BTW, your voting system based on the Electoral College and the winner-take-all approach is as sick as voting on Tuesdays.

It is so sick from the conception that it could lead to a situation where a guy who gets 26% of the popular vote in only few large states wins.

Just because it never happend, is a lame excuse.

EXCUSE ME.....in our system only the votes count, Trump did over 300 which is very good, and he might have even come somewhat close to Obama's massive 2008 win. You dont get to pick how our system awards winners, and I am telling you that by definition the Trump win was HUUGEISH. Any attempt to refute this is wrong and foolish.

EDIT "If the rules were different I would be right in what I say" is your argument, and pardon me but that is a really dumb argument. The actual rules are the rules we talk about and go by, not your fantasy rules. If you have nothing better than this then kindly admit that I am correct. tyvm.
 
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There are no terms that are appropriate.

I've employed MBA's who couldn't think themselves out of a paper bag. I've employed people who didn't graduate high school and were the smartest people in the room.

One of the most valuable and remarkable people I ever employed was functionally illiterate because the circumstance of his upbringing. Yet his contribution to my organization was beyond measure.

It is presumptuous and pretentious to even consider such a measure has any relevance to who or what someone supports and believes in.

I get all that. I don't think people without college degrees are somehow worth less or less capable. We should be able to use words without worrying about hurting people's feelings. Maybe it's just too PC for me.
 
I get all that. I don't think people without college degrees are somehow worth less or less capable. We should be able to use words without worrying about hurting people's feelings. Maybe it's just too PC for me.

People without college degrees are not worth less, and are not less capable. As such, there is nothing to be accomplished by making a distinction between the two.

It is made simply as a derogatory measure to convey a superiority that doesn't exist.
 
All I want is for each and every American's vote to count no more or no less than every other American's vote in determining the winner. One person - one vote - with each vote carrying equal weight.

No rational fair minded citizen could possibly object to that principle.

There are no such entities as STATES without first THE PEOPLE.

you want to take the STATES out of the equation.

the constitution was not ratified by the people thru a popular vote, it was done by STATE conventions of delegates elected by the people.....

the senate was appointed by the STATE governments who were elected by the people.

the president is elected by electors, who are chosen by party of a STATE government.

your idea is to go to a popular vote of only the people for the president, which the large cities of this nation will have the weight to elect the president, if that occurs then the u.s. will be a full representative democracy, which is what you desire, a government based on the will of people to do as they wish.



Direct Election vs. Indirect Election

Let us first examine the concepts of direct and indirect election. In all republican governments except pure democracies (where all people vote directly on all issues), power is delegated (entrusted) to individuals to act in behalf of others. These individuals are known as delegates. To represent the interest of an individual, delegates are optional; to represent the interest of a group, they are indispensable. we intuitively understand this concept for delegates who will legislate (law makers). It is not as clear (or acceptable) when we consider delegates (electors) who vote in indirect elections.

Under the Articles of Confederation the interests of the people were only represented indirectly; the state legislatures chose the delegates to represent the interest of the States. The Framers of the Constitution wanted to retain this indirect representation, but wanted to also add direct representation. For this reason they designed one branch of the new government, the House of Representatives, to represent the interest of the people. As individuals we represent our own interest by personally voting for members of the House of Representatives. That is the only interest that we are competent (inherently qualified) to represent. That interest, unfortunately, is often manipulated. In the Constitutional Convention, Elbridge Gerry from Massachusetts, expressed his opposition to what he termed “the excess of democracy” in this way:

The evils we experience flow from the excess of democracy. The people do not want [lack] virtue, but are the dupes of pretended patriots. In Mass[achusetts] it had been fully confirmed by experience that they are daily misled into the most baneful measures and opinions by the false reports circulated by designing men, and which no one on the spot can refute. (United States – Formation of the Union p. 125)

The protection against the evils of democracy that Mr. Gerry identified was that the positions in the other branches of government would be filled using indirect elections. The only branch of the national government the people would vote for directly was the House of Representatives.

The House of Representatives was to be balanced by the Senate representing the interest of the state governments. Senators were to be appointed by the state legislatures. Presidents and judges were not to be directly elected by the people either. John Jay in Federalist No. 64 explained the wisdom of the Convention in the superior method of electing both the president and the Senators by select bodies of delegates (electors) who would "in general be composed of the most enlightened and respectable citizens" in an indirect form of election. The Framers intelligently designed the United States to be a complex constitutional representative republic not a democracy. Today, we do not consider the concept of protecting separate and sometimes conflicting interests.

The Framers developed a method to select the best presidents possible. Now democracy (direct elections or popular vote) is assumed to be the only “fair” way to elect presidents as well as members of both branches of the national legislature. A brief look at the caliber of candidates and the nature of the campaign rhetoric and tactics the current methods have produced at all levels should send us searching for a better method. In our opinion, the original Constitution had the answers.
Evolution and Destruction of the Original Electoral College - Foreword by Michael Anthony Peroutka
 
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People without college degrees are not worth less, and are not less capable. As such, there is nothing to be accomplished by making a distinction between the two.

It is made simply as a derogatory measure to convey a superiority that doesn't exist.

I have said multiple times I do not think they are worth less, but there is a reason to make a distinction between the two. For example, I trust my doctor's advice on my health over my father's advice. My father is not stupid, but he certainly has no medical degree. I trust an economist's view on economic policy over a plumber's view on the same policy. It isn't about the economist being smarter on a basic level, but he is educated in his field. Education doesn't mean superiority in every field, but it is a good marker of superiority in a specific field. That's why it's important.
 
I have said multiple times I do not think they are worth less, but there is a reason to make a distinction between the two. For example, I trust my doctor's advice on my health over my father's advice. My father is not stupid, but he certainly has no medical degree. I trust an economist's view on economic policy over a plumber's view on the same policy. It isn't about the economist being smarter on a basic level, but he is educated in his field. Education doesn't mean superiority in every field, but it is a good marker of superiority in a specific field. That's why it's important.

The distinctions you are making is not how the qualifier is presented. One certainly expects a doctor, or a lawyer, or an accountant to be educated in the specialized field in which they practice.

The qualifier used in these comparisons is educated, versus uneducated. There is no distinction as you have described it. As such, it's measure is purely to convey superiority of the "educated".
 
The distinctions you are making is not how the qualifier is presented. One certainly expects a doctor, or a lawyer, or an accountant to be educated in the specialized field in which they practice.

The qualifier used in these comparisons is educated, versus uneducated. There is no distinction as you have described it. As such, it's measure is purely to convey superiority of the "educated".

Fine, non-college educated. There should be no possible negative inference there.
 
Fine, non-college educated. There should be no possible negative inference there.

Ask a non-college educated voter what they would think if you labeled them as such in order to explain who they voted for and why.
 
I think that you will find most people would not appreciate being referred to as uneducated. That reference means what the implication intends.

What if they are uneducated, or minimally so?
 
Ask a non-college educated voter what they would think if you labeled them as such in order to explain who they voted for and why.

Ask an uneducated person what they think of being called uneducated? If a fat person is insulted by being called fat, does that make them skinny?
 
What if they are uneducated, or minimally so?

What of it? Do we conduct a spelling test before allowing someone to vote. Is there a history test?

Education has no relevance in reviewing why someone supports one candidate over another.
 
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