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The "ugly women's vote"?

TurtleDude

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two Hillary ads are playing constantly in SW Ohio. One shows pictures of Hillary at various stages of her life and her talking about how she cares so much for children. Then next ad is the one I am asking about. It has snippets of Trump referring (a woman I assume) to being flat chested, a pig etc.

So is the purpose of this advertisement to gain Hillary the ugly female vote? to make women who have been criticized for their looks to vote for her?
 
Nah, they are smarter than that..
 
TurtleDude said:
two Hillary ads are playing constantly in SW Ohio. One shows pictures of Hillary at various stages of her life and her talking about how she cares so much for children. Then next ad is the one I am asking about. It has snippets of Trump referring (a woman I assume) to being flat chested, a pig etc.

So is the purpose of this advertisement to gain Hillary the ugly female vote? to make women who have been criticized for their looks to vote for her?
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I think it's just women in general Hillary's trying to reach out to.
 
TheGoverness said:
I think it's just women in general Hillary's trying to reach out to.
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OK I agree but how does that ad hit you? apparently (I am speculating since there is no context to the ad, which is most likely intentional on the part of the Clintonistas) these quotes came from Trump concerning his role as owing a beauty pageant i suspect.
 
TurtleDude said:
two Hillary ads are playing constantly in SW Ohio. One shows pictures of Hillary at various stages of her life and her talking about how she cares so much for children. Then next ad is the one I am asking about. It has snippets of Trump referring (a woman I assume) to being flat chested, a pig etc.

So is the purpose of this advertisement to gain Hillary the ugly female vote? to make women who have been criticized for their looks to vote for her?
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Is it the one where various young girls are looking into their mirrors while Trump's comments are played over the scenes?

 
TurtleDude said:
OK I agree but how does that ad hit you? apparently (I am speculating since there is no context to the ad, which is most likely intentional on the part of the Clintonistas) these quotes came from Trump concerning his role as owing a beauty pageant i suspect.
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Apparently those quotes were something Trump said about Alicia Machado almost 20 years ago.

But this video here with both Donald Trump and Alicia Machado, makes me put those claims into question:

 
Or this one?



That is Miss Universe 1996. He didn't refer to her as flat chested and so forth. This one he called Miss Piggy and Miss Housekeeping.
 
Gina said:
Is it the one where various young girls are looking into their mirrors while Trump's comments are played over the scenes?

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yeah thanks Gina-that one
 
Gina said:
Or this one?



That is Miss Universe 1996. He didn't refer to her as flat chested and so forth. This one he called Miss Piggy and Miss Housekeeping.
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in the advertisement I am referring to, DT is heard saying "if she's flat chested she cannot be a ten"

(which is probably an accurate comment if the topic is about winning something like Ms Universe or something similar)
 
She's making Trump out to be the lousy boyfriend every girl has had. Hillary understands crappy men. She's married to one.

It's an insult to women who think. I know there are a lot of them out there, but grandma Hillary seems to thing all women need relationship advice.

BTW, Trumps accuser threatened to kill a judge. She's a real gangbanging winner, she is... Fits right in with the Clintons:

Miss Universe Alicia Machado accused of threatening to kill judge in late '90s | Fox News
 
TurtleDude said:
in the advertisement I am referring to, DT is heard saying "if she's flat chested she cannot be a ten"

(which is probably an accurate comment if the topic is about winning something like Ms Universe or something similar)
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TD, here's the full context to Trump's "flatchested" comment:

This particular quote, unearthed by BuzzFeed, was made in 2005 during a discussion that concerned the ranking of actresses on “Desperate Housewives.” Trump rated Nicolette Sheridan a “solid four,” but said that when she was younger she had once been an “eight.” But he said he couldn’t say she had ever been a “10” because of the size of her breasts. Here’s how he explained his reasoning, starting at about the 5:50 mark in the interview:


“I like the way she used to look. I don’t like the way she looks now. … She’s a solid four. She was an eight, she wasn’t a 10. She went from being very flat-chested. I view that a person who is flat-chested is very hard to be a 10. It has been extraordinary, you have to have the face of Vivian Leigh to be a 10 if you are flat-chested. She went from an eight to a solid four.”
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...say-those-things/?client=ms-android-sprint-us
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah thanks Gina-that one
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Donald Trump has spent his campaign, and career, demeaning and insulting women, which is just one of the reasons a majority of American women do not think Trump respects women. In stark contrast, Hillary Clinton has spent her career fighting for and uplifting women and girls - and that’s exactly what she’ll continue to do as president.
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https://www.hillaryclinton.com/brie...ric-towards-women-is-having-on-our-daughters/

That is from Clinton's website.

What I take from that ad is much like that comment. He's spent his life demeaning women. Women only have value if they are 10s and have big boobs. There are millions of women who are not 10s and don't have big boobs, who you would not consider ugly, who will take exception to his comments. In terms of our daughters, we do not want a man like this leading our country. That is a horrible message for impressionable young women to hear.

It's rather degrading that you consider the ad as pandering to "ugly women". And I'll leave it there. My comments would only get personal at this point.
 
Gina said:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/brie...ric-towards-women-is-having-on-our-daughters/

That is from Clinton's website.

What I take from that ad is much like that comment. He's spent his life demeaning women. Women only have value if they are 10s and have big boobs. There are millions of women who are not 10s and don't have big boobs, who you would not consider ugly, who will take exception to his comments. In terms of our daughters, we do not want a man like this leading our country. That is a horrible message for impressionable young women to hear.

It's rather degrading that you consider the ad as pandering to "ugly women". And I'll leave it there. My comments would only get personal at this point.
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I think you are trying to find something to be offended by because you hate Trump that does not exist in my posts. That's why I put "ugly" in Quotes.

and BTW I think its a non-issue given what Hillary has been quoted saying about the women who claimed her predatory husband had harassed them.
 
TurtleDude said:
I think you are trying to find something to be offended by because you hate Trump that does not exist in my posts. That's why I put "ugly" in Quotes.

and BTW I think its a non-issue given what Hillary has been quoted saying about the women who claimed her predatory husband had harassed them.
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Quotes or not, it is insulting to women to suggest there is an "ugly women" or the ugly female vote (no quotes there in your OP). It's a poor choice of words and it is your choice of those words that offends me. Hence the last two sentences in my previous post.

I do note that Clinton has been on the side of women's rights her whole career. While Trump only cares about boobs and rating women on their physical perfection.
 
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It shades trump as someone who objectifies women. Obviously the ad is going after the vote of women who want to be recognized for more than physical appearance, who want to be recognized as people. Subjects rather than objects.
 
the_recruit said:
It shades trump as someone who objectifies women. Obviously the ad is going after the vote of women who want to be recognized for more than physical appearance, who want to be recognized as people. Subjects rather than objects.
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Thank you! Spot on and much more concise than anything I wrote.
 
Gina said:
Quotes or not, it is insulting to women to suggest there is an "ugly women" or the ugly female vote (no quotes there in your OP). It's a poor choice of words and it is your choice of those words that offends me. Hence the last two sentences in my previous post.
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opinion noted not shared

who do you think Hillary was pandering to with that ad? in my opinion-it was to women who are sensitive about being called "inadequate" by men. That is clearly what her ad was trying to imply-to pander to that group. IS there any real doubt here?

and lets go to a deeper question. DO you think that any man who has made comments critical about the appearance of a woman-be it someone watching a beauty contest-or selecting say walkway models-is disqualified from being president?
 
the_recruit said:
It shades trump as someone who objectifies women. Obviously the ad is going after the vote of women who want to be recognized for more than physical appearance, who want to be recognized as people. Subjects rather than objects.
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I will ask you the same question. No matter what the environment, do you think its wrong for a man to make comments about the state of a woman's appearance? And in our mind does that disqualify that person from being president? What about Hillary referring to the women allegedly victimized by her husband in less than flattering terms?
 
I think this add hit a lot of notes for me. My daughter is two years old and there is no way in hell I want her turning into a child while the most powerful man in the world is a chauvinist. It's 2016 and that crap doesn't fly anymore. I have a few good reasons to vote for Hillary over Trump and that is one of them.
 
MrPeanut said:
I think this add hit a lot of notes for me. My daughter is two years old and there is no way in hell I want her turning into a child while the most powerful man in the world is a chauvinist. It's 2016 and that crap doesn't fly anymore. I have a few good reasons to vote for Hillary over Trump and that is one of them.
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what do you think about your chosen candidate referring to women who accused her husband of harassing them as "trailer trash". Or that Kathleen Willey noted hillary waged a "terror campaign" against her and bill's other victims?

or this one:

Hillary’s aggressive attitude was not limited to those who accused her husband of sexual misconduct: other men received the benefit of the doubt from Hillary when she needed their support politically. When former Sen. Bob Packwood was accused of sexual harassment, Clinton told her friend Blair that she was “tired of all those whiney women,” and that she needed Packwood on health care.

Hillary Clinton’s Long History of Targeting Women - Washington Free Beacon

Rap Sheet: The Women Who Claim to Be Victims of Bill and Hillary Clinton - Breitbart



Hillary Clinton Is No Friend To Sexual Assault Survivors
 
the_recruit said:
It shades trump as someone who objectifies women. Obviously the ad is going after the vote of women who want to be recognized for more than physical appearance, who want to be recognized as people. Subjects rather than objects.
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Gina said:
Thank you! Spot on and much more concise than anything I wrote.
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Or men, fathers, brothers, sons, grandfathers and husbands etc that dont want their fellow women, daughters, sisters, mothers, grandmothers and wife viewed that way either.
 
Gina said:
Quotes or not, it is insulting to women to suggest there is an "ugly women" or the ugly female vote (no quotes there in your OP). It's a poor choice of words and it is your choice of those words that offends me. Hence the last two sentences in my previous post.

I do note that Clinton has been on the side of women's rights her whole career. While Trump only cares about boobs and rating women on their physical perfection.
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If she genuinely cared that passionately about women's rights and the respect they deserve then she would've divorce Bill a long time ago. You want to talk about treating women with disrespect?

And the video you posted of the girls looking in the mirror, the girls that Trump has probably never met...why isn't Rosie O'Donnell the one looking in the mirror? Do you think it would have the same effect?
 
TurtleDude said:
opinion noted not shared

who do you think Hillary was pandering to with that ad? in my opinion-it was to women who are sensitive about being called "inadequate" by men. That is clearly what her ad was trying to imply-to pander to that group. IS there any real doubt here?
and lets go to a deeper question. DO you think that any man who has made comments critical about the appearance of a woman-be it someone watching a beauty contest-or selecting say walkway models-is disqualified from being president?
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I have this funny feeling that they are trying to goad Trump into bringing up Bill Clinton's affairs in the next debate.
 
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